BS: Bully for Sulu!

Subject: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:02 PM

What do y'all think, or isn't it news where you live?

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:03 PM

I don't really care much, but it takes courage. I've kinda 'suspected' it for a long time.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Charmion
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:23 PM

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Amos
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:24 PM

The boy has balls, figuratively speaking of course...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:26 PM

Charmion, he announced today that he is gay. His bidness, not mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:32 PM

Mr. Sulu is a fag. At age 68, he is an old fag. Made the Chicago papers. I hope his roids don't bother him.

In the article he said something like coming out was the American thing to do. Yes, I agree with that if you are an American who has a problem with traditional family values like many liberals do.

I thought he walked a little funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:49 PM

Why the use of nasty names? You scared of him?

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: leftydee
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 05:08 PM

I don't see how anyone in this day and age can be so mean-spirited about someone with a different background. It must be a scarey, ugly, tiny world you live in Martin.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 05:15 PM

And it's not like anyone has a choice about what orientation they are born with......

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 05:25 PM

In the Star Trek movies, Sulu had a daughter...does this mean she was adopted?

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 05:26 PM

or was she his clone?

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 05:34 PM

Are some of our guests having difficulties telling the movies apart from real life?

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Peace
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 06:42 PM

I fail to see how any of this is my business.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 06:47 PM

Actually, me either, Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: mack/misophist
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 09:01 AM

IIRC, he's also a conservative. The storey would be a non issue if it weren't for that,

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 11:18 AM

He set off my gaydar a LONG time ago... Not that it matters a tinkers cuss... I don't ever plan on having sex with him, so I don't care who he has sex with

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 02:02 PM

Hey Martin, you just missed the bigotry trifecta - you forgot NIP!

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 03:03 PM

The late (and brilliantly witty) Quentin Crisp, who characterized himself as "one of the stately homos of England," appeared some years ago on an interview show. The interviewer noted his somewhat androgynous appearance (elderly, with fairly long blue hair, and he wore shirt and slacks that could have been worn by either gender) and asked him if he is ever asked whether he is a man or woman. Crisp replied that it happens all the time. "How do you respond to such questions?" the interviewer asked.

Crisp said, "I usually ask them, 'Does it matter? What do you have in mind?'"

Thinking about it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Willie-O
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 05:00 PM

As if your sexual orientation has anything to do with your political beliefs.   Totally stupid and incorrect concept. Of course, your political and social beliefs can affect how public you are about your orientation...shame really.

Roy Cohn, J Edgar Hoover and David Ferrie (JFK assassination figure), to name a few, were not notably liberal, to put it mildly.

Not surprising that Mr Sulu stayed in the closet so long, I guess it was the norm on the original Star Trek. Next Generation, otoh, had gay crew members, or so I heard. As for how he had a daughter, whether on TV or in real life, grow the hell up and read a book or two not recommended by Rush Limbaugh. You have kids by having heterosexual sex. Doesn't mean you like it or don't like other flavours.

W-O

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 05:41 PM

Don't forget artifical insemination....

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Peace
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 08:51 PM

In vitrio, ex vitrio, etc.

Remembering back twenty years, a course I took at university mentioned eight methods of fertilizing the human-female egg.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 09:23 PM

Actually, 'coming out' after you have a wife and child is not that unusual, especially in the old days. It ruined many marriages. My mom told me this and in the same breath said it was far better that young people were allowed to explore their sexuality before marriage - before children were involved. Homosexuality is nothing new, its how society views it that changes.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST,Richard H
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 09:25 PM

"...and asked him if he is ever asked whether he is a man or woman. Crisp replied that it happens all the time. "How do you respond to such questions?" the interviewer asked.

Crisp said, "I usually ask them, 'Does it matter? What do you have in mind?'"

Maybe it matters sometimes. Part of my daughter's job at a beach facility was handing out locker room keys. One day a guy came in wearing a bikini top and asked in all earnestness "Should I go to the men's or the women's?" She wasn't quite sure what to tell him.

Meanwhile a gay fellow who's very proud of his orientation is a dancer in a troupe. And he's always enthusing about all the men he gets to undress with and see naked. Not sure if I'd be comfortable with another man looking at me naked with undisguised pleasure.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 09:53 PM

"Should I go to the men's or the women's?"

It would depend on part part he wanted to play in public, if pardon the expression...

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 07:28 PM

What the hell? That's one less competition out there for dates with the good-lookin' dames, that's the way I look at it. Now what about fatboy Shatner? My guess is that he will "do" almost anything, given the opportunity.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Cluin
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 11:31 PM

Homophobia is very tiresome as are all the same old tired jokes sure to be passed around after George Takei has now decided to publicly "Surrender Dorothy." in his old age.

That being said, Captain Kirk may be reluctant in future to issue the order: "Beam me up, Mr. Sulu!"




Sorry. Couldn't resist. Hey, I never said I was any better than anybody else... it's not even that good a joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Kaleea
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 11:33 PM

Mr. George Takei is a respected artist, tireless worker for the rights of Asian American, educator, & more who spent time as a child in a concentration camp in the good ole USA--the ones where the Americans of Japanese ancestry were sent, and when WWII was over enough for the govt to let them go, his family started over in his hometown of . . .
   but you can read all about it in his autobiography. He's a good writer. From what I understand, he does not have a ghost writer as does Shatner, & actually writes what his name is on.
   In case you really wanna know, in the Trek movie world, while Sulu's daughter was conceived the normal way, her origin was not discussed--but there was a novel written where Sulu had an affair with a lady who happened to be a secret agent. She was killed, so Sulu raised his daughter.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 12:17 PM

Careful! There may be one of them lurking in your closet or under your bed! Oooo! Scary, scary!

One can't be too careful, can one?

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: gnu
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 12:53 PM

Bend over, I'll warp-drive. or... Some don't trust him at the helm? (I couldn't resist either.)

Kidding aside, I'd just like to say that some of my best friends are homophobic but that doesn't mean that, deep down, they are not good people.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 02:14 PM

some of my best friends are homophobic but that doesn't mean that, deep down, they are not good people.

What???
How can anyone make such a fatuous statement?
Substitute for homophobic "anti-semitic", or "racist" or "Nazis" or..

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 03:38 PM

Look at it this way: they're good people with a specific flaw in their character.

Or don't you have any?

If so, please feel free to hurl the first stone, right?

Homophobia is a sign of fear, not of innate evil. Fear can certainly lead to evil results, but it is not in itself evil. It's just dysfunctional and unhelpful.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: gnu
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 04:47 PM

Well... I am fat.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 04:55 PM

"Look at it this way: they're good people with a specific flaw in their character."

Ok, I'll buy that. with your money, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 06:08 PM

He's defendin' you and your ilk, you putz. Have a nice banana and shut up. One of my buddies saw you hangin' around the zoo the other day, and he said you need a new wardrobe NOW!

- your pal, Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 06:46 PM

`Cause yer buddy flung poop on him.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 07:44 PM

I'm gonna get you for that, Cluin, you rotten creep. Just wait and see.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 07:46 PM

Hell, there's some folks around here would like to buy your buddy a drink for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 08:39 PM

Bully for Data
Star Trek's Data revealed that he is still fully functional.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Juan P-B
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 02:07 PM

Not so! Data had a 'deep and meaningful relationship' with Tasha Yar (before she died I hasten to add) - This was brought up as part of the 'evidence' to prove that he was 'sentient' when Star Fleet wanted to take him to bits to clone him claiming that he was 'only a robot'

I can't believe that I know this stuff. I suppose I do 'cause I had the 'hots' for Tasha (Denise Crosby) myself - I was gutted when Mr 'Only-Once-A-Night-But-It-Lasts-All-Night' Data 'ad 'er

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: gnu
Date: 02 Nov 05 - 02:25 PM

Tasha YUM!! What a looker! Did she get killed by the black blob? My X was a Trekky and there were "certain" episodes I watched over the evening newspaper.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Pied Piper
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 09:25 AM

Somthing is happening and you don't know what it is
Do you
Mr Gibson

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: GUEST,Nagilum
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 12:32 PM

The extent of Martin Gibson's ignorance is rivaled only by the immensity of the Cosmos itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Bully for Sulu!
From: Juan P-B
Date: 03 Nov 05 - 04:02 PM

Nice to see Martina in the barrel again