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Four White Horses??

Cleo 13 Mar 99 - 01:05 AM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 13 Mar 99 - 11:13 AM
Cle0 16 Mar 99 - 08:26 PM
Animaterra 17 Mar 99 - 12:38 PM
Cleo 17 Mar 99 - 04:39 PM
GUEST,Sheila 06 Apr 04 - 01:36 PM
GUEST,mjoy@shipleyschool.org 29 Apr 04 - 12:17 PM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 29 Apr 04 - 12:42 PM
GUEST,mjoy@shipleyschool.org 30 Apr 04 - 02:04 PM
GUEST 19 Mar 05 - 04:01 PM
Q 19 Mar 05 - 04:45 PM
Q 19 Mar 05 - 04:50 PM
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GUEST,Ripe Banana 16 Dec 05 - 04:48 AM
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GUEST,chloe 29 Jan 10 - 12:34 PM
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Subject: Four White Horses??
From: Cleo
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 01:05 AM

I once heard a group of kids sing this song...

    Four white horses on the river,
    aye, aye, aye, up tomorrow,
    up tomorrow is a rainy day.
    Come and join our shadow play.
    Shadow play is a ripe banana,
    aye, aye, aye, up tomorrow,
    up tomorrow is a rainy day.

I just wondered where it came from and if it's only supposed to be a nonsense song, or it actually means something. Any help?

Thanks, Cleo


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 13 Mar 99 - 11:13 AM

I've got it at school in a music textbook; Macmillan & co., I think. I'll look it up on Monday. Kids still love it!


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Cle0
Date: 16 Mar 99 - 08:26 PM

Thanx Animaterra! That'd be great!


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Animaterra
Date: 17 Mar 99 - 12:38 PM

I'm sorry, Cleo- turns out to be a photocopy (gasp!) from a 1995 Silver Burdett Ginn music book that I got in a workshop. All it says is "folk song from the Carribean" and it gives directions for the clapping game. If you want the directions I can post them here or email you!


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Cleo
Date: 17 Mar 99 - 04:39 PM

No, that's okay, I know the clapping game...but thank you very much anyway! cleo


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 06 Apr 04 - 01:36 PM

Karen Ellis collected this in 1976 on St. Croix, USVI. A live sound field recording was made and submitted to the Folk Archive at the Library of Congress at that time. The words at that time were:
    4 white horses on a rainbow
    Hey hey hey up tomorrow
    Up tomorrow is a rainy day
    Come on out and let's shadow play
    Shadow play is a ripe banana
    Hey hey hey up tomorrow. (a salty sexy rhyme).
Still another version goes "4 white horses on the river" and "Come on up to the shallow bay/ Shallow bay is a ripe banana."


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,mjoy@shipleyschool.org
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 12:17 PM

My 6th grade chorus is doing a fun arrangement of Four White Horses for our spring concert. I told my chorus that there is a game that goes with the song. I used to have the directions, but can't find them. Is there anyone who can give me directions for the game? Any help would be appreciated.

Mike Joy
The Shipley Middle School
Bryn Mawr, PA


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 12:42 PM

4 kids stand facing each other- two across from two.
each kid has partner on one side, neighbor on other

Keeping the beat, the motions go like this:

Clap twice
pat partner's hands
Clap twice
pat neighbor's hands


That's it- but some kids find it very tricky so it's challenging and fun!

mjoy, I would love to see your arrangement!

Allison


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,mjoy@shipleyschool.org
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 02:04 PM

Allison,

Thanks so much for the clapping patterns for Four White Horses. The arrangement that we are doing is a published arrangement for 2-part treble voices. (It's also avaliable for 3-part mixed voices.) It is arranged by Cristi Cary Miller and was published in 2002 by Hal Leonard.The publisher's number is 08551574.

Thanks again!

Mike Joy
The Shipley School
Bryn Mawr, PA


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 04:01 PM

Here are the original lyrics to the song:

Four white horses, on the river,
hey, hey, hey, up tomorrow.
Up tomorrow is a rainy day,
come on up to the shallow bay.
Shallow bay is a ripe banana,
up tomorrow is a rainy day!

It is an old carribean folk song


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Q
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 04:45 PM

The hand-clapping game "Four White Horses on a Rainbow" came from St. Thomas.

Four white horses on a rainbow
Eh, eh, eh up tomorrow,
Up tomorrow is a rainy day,
Come on down to the shadow play,
Shadow play is a ripe banana,
Eh, eh, eh up tomorrow---

See Zoop, Zoop, Zoop, Music and Folklore in the U. S. Virgin Islands (scroll down to the song or use Crtl plus F to locate): Virgin Islands


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Q
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 04:50 PM

Lyrics for other Virgin Island songs in the article linked above.


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Azizi
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 07:22 PM

Thanks Q for that link.

I am collecting children's handclap rhymes including those from the Caribbean and I've never heard of that song before.

I appreciate the information not only about this song, but its method of performance.


Azizi


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,Ripe Banana
Date: 16 Dec 05 - 04:48 AM

This jaunty tune actually originated in 1963 in the Caribbean, and is closer to the version posted by Cleo:

Four white horses, on the river
Aye, aye, aye, up tomorrow
Up tomorrow is a rainy day
Come on and join the Shadow Gay
Shadow Gay in the last cabana
Aye, aye, aye, up tomorrow
Bite my banana.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Four White Horses
From: GUEST,someone
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 06:04 PM

4 white horses on the river.
Hey, Hey, Hey, up tommorow
up tommorow is a rainy day.
come on up to the shallow bay.
Shalow bay is a ripe banana.
up tommorow is a rainy day.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Four White Horses
From: MickyMan
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 06:25 PM

When I learned this children's game in the late 70s as a graduate level music educationn student at the Kodaly Musical Training Institute, we were told that the "up tomorrow" was derived from an erlier lyric of "hope tomorrow". These Kodaly Method people sourced their stuff bigtime ... and the lyric makes more sense when you know this. I taught it as a children's clapping game song similar to the one listed earlier. I'll bet there are many variants, one for every neighborhood girl gang in the Carribean. Great kid's game song!


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,k
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 05:35 PM

well im caribbean and it seem to me as if it is said differently then the way i learned it when i was a child for i've learned it as

4 white horses on a rainbow
hey hey hey up tomorrow
up tomorrow is a rainy day
come on down to the shallow bay
a shallow bay is a rotten banana
hey hey hey down tomorrow


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 20 Apr 09 - 05:19 PM

GUESTk, that sure sounds like the folk process at work!


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,clo
Date: 09 May 09 - 07:50 AM

hi i no tht song from the 80s it wos suppost to be about these horses tlkin to each other tht is wot ma mum said n she also said their is a movie called four white horses


hope i helped ps im off waterloo road on bbc 1 day wednesdays 8.00 pm -9.00 pm.


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jul 09 - 10:20 PM

four white horses on a table
pick them up and grease a table
aye aye aye
we go up tomorrow
up tomorrow is a break up day
and a break up day is a shadow
and a shadow day is a ripe banana
ooosh ash


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 01 Aug 09 - 07:18 AM

This is pure uninformed guesswork, but might the song be descended from a shanty? I've never heard it, but on reading the words one of those 'Sally Brown' sort of tunes seemed to be struggling for utterance.

Could 'Shadow day is a ripe banana' once have been 'Sally Brown's a bright mulatta?'

'Four white horses' appear in versions of 'Jordan', which is sometimes a spiritual and sometimes closer to a shanty.

Valmai


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 09 - 07:59 AM

There is another take on "four white horses" and that is they symbolize a funeral pulling a wagon with a casket on it...

From the 1920's Blind Lemon Jefferson:

Theres four white horses
Following me
Yeah, four white horses
following me
Yeah, four whote horses
And they're following me
Following to
The burying ground

B~


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Aug 09 - 07:39 PM

I should not post before my 2nd cup of coffee...

Blind Lemon's lyrics were about "two white horses"...

Ignore my last post...

B~


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Dave Hunt
Date: 02 Aug 09 - 04:51 AM

I learnt this song in Barbados when I was there a couple of years ago as a visiting artist - looking at how they teach their traditions in school. The words they use are

Three white horses, in a stable
hey hey we go up tomorrow
Up tomorrow at the break of day
Come along with your shallow plate
Shallow plate is a white mulatto
hey hey we go - up tomorrow
Up tommorrow at the break of day
Come along with your shallow plate

Tendency noew to sing green banana in place of white mulsatto - in fact they have fun changing the coloutr of the banana - blue, gold, red, whatever one child shouts out.


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,Esy
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 04:48 AM

It's a real nonsense song... it doesn't mean anything! I've sung it before though!


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,chloe
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 12:34 PM

Four white horses on the river,
hey! hey! hey! up tomorrow,
up tomorrow is a rainy day,
come and join in are shadow play.
rainy day is a ripe banana,
up tomorrow is a rainy day


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 12:52 PM

Valmai said exactly what I was thinking! I was immediately reminded by

Shallow Bay is a ripe banana

Shadow play is a ripe banana

Shadow Gay in the last cabana


of "Sally (Shallow) Brown is a bright mulatta" and the shanty. Dave's hearing of the song seems to confirm this. I would love to hear the tune this is sung to.


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,linh
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 07:14 AM

four white horses on the river hey,hey,hey up tomorrow up tomorrow is a rainy day rainy day is a shallow bay shallow bay is a ripe banana up tomorrow is a rainy day ( then keep on repeating)


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,Krystal
Date: 01 Sep 11 - 12:02 PM

The version I played growing up in the US Virgin Islands about 25 years ago.

Four white horses on the rainbow
Ey, ey, ey up tomorrow
Up tomorrow is a rainy day
Come on down where the shadows play
Shadow play is a rotten banana
Ey, ey, ey up tomorrow...


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Feb 12 - 07:27 PM

Four whit horses in a stable
yeah,yeah,yeah we go off tomorrow
off tomorrow is a break up day
come along to the shallow bay
shallow bay we go to cream banannas
yeah yeah we go off tomorrow


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Subject: RE: Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,Karen Ellis
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 06:08 PM

Contact Karen Ellis
Educational CyberPlayGround, Inc.
http://www.edu-cyberpg.com
Domino" ©1990 by Karen Ellis
http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/GuavaberryBooks/Domino/_DOMINO_.html
60 Traditional Children's Songs, Games, Proverbs, and Culture From the United States Virgin Islands
45 minute Live Sound Field Recording ©1979
Registration Number TXu 822-111copyright
Cross Curricular, Interdisciplinary, Multicultural Resource


Four White Horses??
From: GUEST,mjoy@shipleyschool.org
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 02:04 PM

Allison,

Thanks so much for the clapping patterns for Four White Horses. The arrangement that we are doing is a published arrangement for 2-part treble voices. (It's also avaliable for 3-part mixed voices.) It is arranged by Cristi Cary Miller and was published in 2002 by Hal Leonard.The publisher's number is 08551574.

Thanks again!

Mike Joy
The Shipley School
Bryn Mawr, PA


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