BS: Quotation sources?

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 07 - 12:48 AM

kat, that was especially nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: autolycus
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 02:43 PM

So you don't know the source. Quel dommage.





    I.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 10:34 PM

"Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools."

That's my motto...

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: autolycus
Date: 27 Mar 07 - 10:42 AM

Please don't gorget it was me who said/wrote,

"Dorothy Parker relegrammed".

Me desparate for recognition? me??

   Anyway D.P. texted.




   Oh,and another,


Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools."


Quoted by a workmate - that's a person not a DIY table.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Rowan
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 07:36 PM

"Dorothy Parker relegrammed"
What an interesting image.

Great reading! You're an impressive lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: autolycus
Date: 26 Mar 07 - 02:27 PM

Great work. As Dorothy Parker relegrammed to a friend who had just given birth,

"I knew you had it in you."



   Thanks.





      Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 11:44 PM

17

It's a book title. But as with the other one . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 11:28 PM

BINGO

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Bertrand Russell"

From here.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: autolycus
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 05:42 AM

I've looked more closely,Peace,at your work and others.

We're home and dry with 2,3,5, and 14.

4. the phrase is different,and I suspect the origins lie wiith the Labour Government after WW2.

9. 'an old adage'? or Emerson? I may have to make do with 'old adage'.

11. Don't think it originated with Karen Armstrong. I noted that the same day as the Armstrong quote,in The Guardian, Michael Myer was asking where the saying originated in the wonderful Notes and Queries column without success.

15. remains unknown so far.

16. The newspaper quote isn't given an attribution,tho' it's great to have the Evening Standard and Daily Star added to what I heard originally. Someone has reworked the original.

17. Maybe we do have that,tho' my instinct is that Soh nicked the line for his book's title.

       So,Soh for the nonce.

    I must reread The British Library collection. Oh well.


    Meantime,I want to re-place my thanks for your sterling work,especially Peace, on the public record. There.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 04:04 AM

Ok, that's 35 divided by 4...

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 02:39 AM

Still missing are anything for 7, 8, 10 and 13.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 02:38 AM

"In this last year of the 20th century--50 years after the start of the welfare state--it is a scandal that a child can still be born poor, live poor and then die poor. We are tackling the poverty of expectation that leaves a generation of children expecting nothing better for themselves than a lifetime on benefit. We know too well the effect that years of unemployment can have on individuals. It demoralises them, and it is debilitating. That is why we need a radical change in culture, both for individuals and for Government. We are tackling the poverty of opportunity that allows people to be written off, or, sometimes, to write themselves off."

from
this site.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 02:33 AM

IN THE USA ...

The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.

The Washington Post is read by people who think they run the country.

The New York Times is read by people who think they should run the country and who are very good at crossword puzzles.

USA Today is read by people who think they ought to run the country but don't really understand The New York Times. They do, however, like their statistics shown in pie charts.

The Los Angeles Times is read by people who wouldn't mind running the country - if they could find the time - and if they didn't have to leave Southern California to do it.

The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents used to run the country and did a far superior job of it, thank you very much.

The New York Daily News is read by people who aren't too sure who's running the country and don't really care as long as they can get a seat on the train.

The New York Post is read by people who don't care who is running the country as long as they do something really scandalous, preferably while intoxicated.

The Miami Herald is read by people who are running another country but need the baseball scores.

The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren't sure there is a country - or that anyone is running it - but if so, they oppose all that they stand for. There are occasional exceptions if the leaders are handicapped minority feminist atheist dwarfs who also happen to be illegal aliens from any other country or galaxy provided, of course, that they are not Republicans.

The National Enquirer is read by people trapped in line at the grocery store.

None of these is read by the guy from Texas who is running the country into the ground.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 02:32 AM

IN CANADA ...

The Ottawa Citizen is read by the people who run the country.

The Toronto Sun is read by the people who don't give a damn who runs the country, as long as she's got big boobs.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Mar 07 - 02:32 AM

This post and the following two are from this site.

IN BRITAIN ...

The Times is read by the people who run the country.

The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country.

The Financial Times is read by the people who own the country.

The Express is read by the people who think this country should be run as it used to be run.

The Telegraph is read by the people who think it still is their country.

The Guardian is read by the people who think they should be running this country.

The Mirror is read by the people who think they are running this country.

The Morning Star is read by the people who think the country ought to be run by another country.

The Independent is read by the people who don't know who runs the country but are sure they're doing it wrong.

The Evening Standard is read by people who are less interested in who's running the country than in getting a seat on the train home.

The Star is read by people who don't care who runs the country as long as they do something scandalous.

The Sun is read by the people who don't care who runs the country as long as she's got big boobs.
(The Sun is read by the people who don't care who runs the country as long as the naked girl on page three is attractive.)

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 04:13 PM

6. (This is by Beachcomber,old humourist of the daily express,but where?) A piece of England that will be forever foreign.

This one is annoying me.

I remember it, I may even have read it in the original context (my parents were Daily Express readers, God forgive them ) but I cannot place it exactly, although I have a nagging feeling it must have some reference to the acquisition of some country house or perhaps some nationally known store by Johnny Foreigner.

The Walrus does Beachcomber an extreme disservice by describing it as "an attempt to parody Rupert Brooke's poem."

J.B Morton, who wrote the Beachcomber column, was an extremely erudite man who assumed a similar level of erudition from his readers, and who would have expected his pithy and wry observation to have been taken on board, understood, and appreciated without comment.

(Much in the same way that P G Wodehouse would incorporate throwaway classical and literary references in his incomparable creations)

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 02:29 PM

Most welcome, Ivor. I am having no luck with the others, but I will give it a go this weekend.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: autolycus
Date: 23 Mar 07 - 03:27 AM

Marvellous,forever in your debt etc.etc.

   I must inprove my googling

   i must improve my googling

   I must improve my googling


   I must improve my googling

   I must etc.etc.



      And me a googly bowler,too. (It's the annual cricket curry tonight.




   Thanks Peace, terrific.





      Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:37 PM

I gotta go.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:36 PM

#9

Looks like this one is an older 'adage' because

'"You can always tell a Sydney girl, but you can't tell her much!"'

many sites replace the words 'Sydney girl' with Irish woman or some other wording of that nature. (Meredith girl, lawyer, etc.)

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:32 PM

#2

'"If authority displaces one's own judgment," writes Gadamer, "then authorityis in fact a source of prejudice" (TM, 278).'

(It's PDF, so Google)

PDF] 2001 PES Yearbook

File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
"If authority displaces one's own judgment," writes Gadamer, "then authority. is in fact a source of prejudice" (TM, 278). Passing judgment on the relevance ...
www.ed.uiuc.edu/EPS/PES-Yearbook/2001/gregor%2001.pdf - Similar pages

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:26 PM

#4

"It is over-exposed, tired, dull as dishwater; proverbial wisdom gone stale through repetition." [referring to the cliche]

from (please Google)

When the cat's got your tongue . . . - Opinion - www.theage.com.au

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:19 PM

#3

The past is history;
The future is a mystery;
This moment is a gift;
That is why this moment is called the present;
Enjoy it
--Allan Johnson


Found that on a few sites, but who is Allan Johnson?

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:10 PM

# 17

Title of a book by G Soh. View front of book here.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:06 PM

# 15

War doesn't determine who's right,
just who's left
- Unknown

from
here.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:01 PM

# 11

Quotation here. Seems to be Karen Armstrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Peace
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 06:46 PM

#5

'I am very much interested in cards,' Hermann said, 'but I am not in a position to sacrifice the essential in the hope of acquiring the superfluous.'

That is from "The Queen of Spades" by Pushkin.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: autolycus
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 06:20 PM

I thought these would be a bit tough.

    one day.



       ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 02:57 PM

You mean this?.:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: autolycus
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 02:50 PM

Alec - thanks ever so.

katlaughing - that quote is very sweet,and (I want mine !)

I got that past,future and present quote from Judi Dench (that sounds pretty cool) - er - ahem - on the Quote Unquote BBc prog (A. Ha!), that Humph and the teams in I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue regularly pillory.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Alec
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 07:42 AM

14 is from Orwell. "The Lion and The Unicorn" if memory serves.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: The Walrus
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 04:51 AM

"...6. (This is by Beachcomber,old humourist of the daily express,but where?) A piece of England that will be forever foreign..."

This is obviously an attempt to parody Brooke's "The Soldier"

"If I should die, think only this of me
That there is a corner of some foreign field that is forever England..."

W

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 04:01 PM

Something like No. 3, is in my grandfather's papers and included in my book. He was good about attributing stuff, so I had assumed it was by him. I know I have put it on the Mudcat before, so if that's where you read it, it was probably his original. His goes like this:

"Life is a book in volumes three

"The Past, the Present, the Yet To Be
The first is finished and laid away
The second we're reading day by day
The third and last of the volumes three
Is locked from sight; God keepeth the key."

- P. Frank Hudson, my grandfather -

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: autolycus
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 03:46 PM

I should have said i have dozens of Dictionaries of Quotations and have googled,too,and these are the ones I haven't had any luck with so far.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Bagpuss
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:39 PM

12. It is "You can't reason a man out of a position he has not reasoned himself into" is usually referred to as an unattributed proverb, but I have also seen it attributed to Oscar Wilde. I'm not sure if this is a correct attribution though.

Subject: RE: BS: Quotation sources?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:22 PM

Try Google.

I have the OED dictionary of quotations in front of me, and know Google will be quicker on most of them.

Subject: BS: Quotation sources?
From: autolycus
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:18 PM

The following are quotations I've picked up and like, and for which I haven't found the source.

   if you can help,I'd be grateful. If you can substantiate the source,WONDERFUL.


1. The poverty of expectation of the British working-class.

2. Authority is a major source of prejudice.

3. The past is history,the future is a mystery,the present is a gift;that's why it's called the present.

4. A cliche is only a great truth made stale by repetition.

5. I'm not in a position to risk the necessary in the hope of acquiring the superfluous.

6. (This is by Beachcomber,old humourist of the daily express,but where?) A piece of England that will be forever foreign.

7. Food is the sensuality of the old.

8. A moment of splendour is worth reams of perfection. (That's D.H.Lawrence,but from where?).

9. You can always tell a lady,but you can't tell her much. (Emerson;where?)

10. The art of conversation is to know when to listen and when not to.

11. Human beings are the only animals who have to live with the knowledge of their inevitable demise.

12. You can't argue anyone out of anything they weren't argued into in the first place.

13. You can't correct the past but you can correct the future.

14. The English intelligentsia are more prepared to steal from the poor box than stand for the national Anthem.

15. War doesn't determine who's right,only who's left.

16. The Times (of London) is read by the people who run the country.

      The Mirror is read by people who think they run the country.

      The Guardian is read by the people who think they ought to r.t.c

   
       etc. etc.

17. men are from Earth;Women are from Earth. Deal with it.



      Thanks in anticipation. Let the mighty resourcefulness and throbbing brains begin. To throb.






       Ivor