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Maggie and Nora

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MAGGIE
WHEN YOU AND I WERE YOUNG, MAGGIE


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Felipa 09 Aug 22 - 11:22 AM
Joe Offer 12 Feb 22 - 03:34 AM
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Brakn 20 Oct 04 - 01:33 PM
GUEST,nickr90 18 Oct 04 - 01:38 PM
Jack Hickman - Kingston, ON 31 Jul 99 - 11:20 AM
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Subject: Magaidh, Scottish Gaelic translation of Maggie
From: Felipa
Date: 09 Aug 22 - 11:22 AM

A translation of Maggie to Scottish Gaelic, sung by Cathy Ann McPhee

sorry, I don't have the lyrics. Not yet, anyway.


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Subject: ADD: Nora
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Feb 22 - 03:34 AM

Nora (Sean O'Casey's Irish variant of Maggie)

YouTube video by Padraig Grimes

The violets were scenting the woods, Nora,
Displaying their charms to the bees,
When I first said I loved only you, Nora,
And you said you loved only me.

The chestnut blooms gleamed
through the glade, Nora,
A robin sang loud from the tree,
When I first said I loved only you, Nora,
And you said you loved only me.

The golden-rowed daffodils shone, Nora,
They danced in the breeze on the Lee,
When I first said I loved only you, Nora,
And you said you loved only me.

The birds in the trees sang a song, Nora,
Of happier transports to be,
When I first said I loved only you, Nora,
And you said you loved only me.

Our hopes they have never come true, Nora,
Our dreams they were never to be,
Since I first said I loved only you, Nora,
And you said you loved only me.
Since I first said I loved only you, Nora,
And you said you loved only me.

####.... Variant of Sean O'Casey's re-write of a poem of undying love originally written by George Washington Johnson [1839-1917] for his wife and put to music in 1866 by James Austin Butterfield [1837-1891]. (See notes below) ....####

The above video features an excellent cover performance by Padraig Grimes of Castlebar, IE.

From Wikipedia:

Lee (Irish: An Laoi) - river in Ireland. It rises in the Shehy Mountains on the western border of County Cork and flows eastwards through Cork City. There it splits in two for a short distance, creating an island on which Cork's city centre is built. The river empties into the Celtic Sea at Cork Harbour on the south coast, one of the largest natural harbours in the world. A hydro-electric scheme was built on the river, upstream from Cork City, and this part of the river now contains the Carrigadrohid and Inniscarra reservoirs. The river is crossed by 42 bridges, 29 of which are in Cork City, and one tunnel. The river also provides an 8 kilometre (5 mile) stretch for salmon fishing.

From All Music Guide by Gregory McIntosh:

Schoolteacher and poet George Washington Johnson made only one contribution to the world of popular song: the lyrics to the standard When You And I Were Young Maggie, written for his new wife, Maggie Clark, who was ailing from tuberculosis. Born in 1839 near Toronto, ON, Johnson studied to become a schoolteacher, and by 20 years of age he began teaching in Hamilton, ON. As a young teacher, he met and fell in love with Maggie Clark, who at that time was one of his students. During one of Clark's harshest struggles with her illness, Johnson composed his now famous poem to her while viewing the local mill from his perch on a nearby hill, and then published it in 1864 in his book of poetry titled Maple Leaves. Johnson and Clark were married in October of that year, but in the spring of 1865, at the young age of 23, Maggie Clark died. A year later, Johnson requested his friend, James Austin Butterfield, to set the poem to music, and the song quickly became a popular worldwide standard. George Washington Johnson married twice more and died in 1917 in Pasadena, CA.

From Cleveland: The Making Of A City by William Ganson Rose, first published in 1950, 1990, ISBN 0-87338-428-8:

George W Johnson brought his bride, Maggie Clark Johnson, to Cleveland, OH, and joined the Plain Dealer as associate editor. His wife died before they had been married a year. Grief-stricken, he resigned from the paper early in 1866 and returned to Canada. Later in the year, J A Butterfield of Detroit composed music for a poem written by Johnson before his marriage and dedicated to his future wife - When You And I Were Young Maggie.

From skool.ie, answers.com, and wikipedia:

The Irish playwright Sean O'Casey [1880-1964] substituted the name Nora for Maggie and used George Washington Johnson's song in his 1926 anti-war play The Plough And The Stars wherein Jack Clitheroe sings it to his wife Nora.

Note courtesy of James L Masten: The text leading into this song from O'Casey's play is as follows:

Nora:
You haven't sung me a song since our honeymoon.
Sing me one now, do... Please Jack.
Jack:
What song? "Since Maggie Went Away"?
Nora:
Ah, no, Jack, not that; it's too sad.
"When You Said You Loved Me".
Stage Directions:
Clearing his throat, Jack thinks for a moment
and then begins to sing.
Nora, putting her arm around him,
nestles her head on his breast and listens...




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Subject: RE: Maggie and Nora
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jul 05 - 05:11 PM

The "Origins" thread crosslinked above (hint, hint) says the song publication date was 1866, lyrics published in Canada in 1864.
-Joe Offer- (e-mail sent)


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Subject: RE: Maggie and Nora
From: GUEST,vkarger@charter.net
Date: 27 Jul 05 - 09:14 AM

Can someone tell me the year Maggie was composed?
Many thanks.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Maggie or Nora
From: Brakn
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 01:33 PM

Where is this excellent article? To view this excellent article do you have buy Irish Music Magazine?


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Subject: Origins: Maggie or Nora
From: GUEST,nickr90
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 01:38 PM

Irish Music Magazine has an excellent article on the song variously known as Maggie, Nora or When and I were Young.
You may know it from the Sean O'Casey play but this has a lot of excellent background.


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Subject: RE: Maggie and Nora
From: Jack Hickman - Kingston, ON
Date: 31 Jul 99 - 11:20 AM

Philippa:

The other way around. Johnson was the composer, he lived in the little town of Binbrook, Ontario, which has become a suburb of Hamilton, Ontario. Butterfield was a Chicago music publisher and he is said to have composed the music.

Jack Hickman


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Subject: RE: Maggie and Nora
From: Wolfgang
Date: 30 Jul 99 - 03:32 PM

When you and I were young, Maggie .
been a pleasure....... Wolfgang


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Subject: Maggie and Nora
From: Philippa
Date: 30 Jul 99 - 02:56 PM

I can't find the earlier thread asking about one of these songs. Does anyone remember the title or have another way to locate it? Key words still time out. I couldn't locate it by looking under my own name as a contributor!
Anyway, 'Maggie' is the song by George Johnson and James Butterfield (I think Butterfield composed the tune and Johnson the lyrics)and it's in the DT database. The Irish version is 'Nora', words by Seán O'Casey to Butterfield's tune and I spotted the lyrics and chords at Foxleap today when I was looking for something else.


https://www.irishsongs.com/lyrics.php?Action=view&Song_id=268

Nora

The violets were scenting the woods Nora displaying their charms to the bees
when I first said I loved only you Nora, and you said you loved only me
the chestnut blooms gleam through the glade a robin sang loud from the tree
when I first said I loved only you Nora, and you said you loved only me


The golden dewed daffodils shone Nora and danced in the breeze of the Lee
when I first said I loved only you Nora, and you said you loved only me
the birds in the trees sang their songs Nora of happier transports to be
when I first said I loved only you Nora, and you said you loved only me

Our hopes they have never come true our dreams were never to be
since I first said I loved only you Nora, and you said you loved only me


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