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Lyr Add: Sign the Creed (So.-Baptist Political)

Haruo 18 Dec 02 - 12:42 AM
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Subject: Tune Add: Landas (Norwegian?)
From: Haruo
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 12:42 AM

According to "The Cyber Hymnal" the tune LANDÅS is Norwegian traditional; according to some hymnals, on the other hand, it was composed by one André Grétry. Everyone agrees that in any case it was arranged by William J. Kirkpatrick. I see two quite distinct versions of the tune. The one I am accustomed to from Church use, with the syllabication adjusted for the first stanza of the parody above, is as follows:

MIDI file: landas1b.mid

Timebase: 192

Name: Landas1b
Text: By Norwegian tune, arr. by William J. Kirkpatrick
Copyright: Public domain
Tempo: 150 (400000 microsec/crotchet)
Key: G
TimeSig: 3/2 24 8
Start
0000 1 62 110 0336 0 62 000 0048 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0336 0 62 000 0048 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 66 110 0160 0 66 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 64 110 0336 0 64 000 0048 1 64 110 0336 0 64 000 0048 1 72 110 0160 0 72 000 0032 1 71 110 0094 0 71 000 0002 1 69 110 0094 0 69 000 0002 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 66 110 0336 0 66 000 0048 1 67 110 0720 0 67 000 0048 1 62 110 0256 0 62 000 0032 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0256 0 62 000 0032 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 66 110 0160 0 66 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 64 110 0336 0 64 000 0048 1 64 110 0336 0 64 000 0048 1 72 110 0160 0 72 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 66 110 0336 0 66 000 0048 1 67 110 0720 0 67 000 0048 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 74 110 0336 0 74 000 0048 1 71 110 0336 0 71 000 0048 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 69 110 0336 0 69 000 0048 1 71 110 0336 0 71 000 0048 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 66 110 0160 0 66 000 0032 1 64 110 0336 0 64 000 0048 1 69 110 0336 0 69 000 0048 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 66 110 0336 0 66 000 0048 1 62 110 0336 0 62 000 0048 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0336 0 62 000 0048 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 66 110 0160 0 66 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 64 110 0336 0 64 000 0048 1 64 110 0336 0 64 000 0048 1 72 110 0160 0 72 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 66 110 0336 0 66 000 0048 1 67 110 0720 0 67 000
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the latest version of MIDItext and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:Landas1b
M:3/2
Q:1/4=150
K:G
D4D2E2D4|G4F2E2E4|E4c2BAG4|F4G8|D3DD2E2D3D|
G2G2F2E2E4|E4c2A2G4|F4G8|D2D2G2B2d4|B4B2A2A4|
B4G2F2E4|A4G4F4|D4D2E2D4|G4F2E2E4|E4c2A2G4|
F4G15/2||

whereas the melody line of the Cyber Hymnal's MIDI is as follows:

MIDI file: landas-m.mid

Timebase: 192

Name: landas
Text: By Norwegian tune, arr. by William J. Kirkpatrick
Copyright: Public domain
Tempo: 115 (521739 microsec/crotchet)
Key: Ab
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Start
0000 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 63 110 0094 0 63 000 0002 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 68 110 0160 0 68 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 68 110 0160 0 68 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 68 110 0336 0 68 000 0048 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 63 110 0094 0 63 000 0002 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 68 110 0160 0 68 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 68 110 0160 0 68 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 68 110 0336 0 68 000 0048 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 68 110 0094 0 68 000 0002 1 72 110 0094 0 72 000 0002 1 75 110 0160 0 75 000 0032 1 72 110 0160 0 72 000 0032 1 72 110 0094 0 72 000 0002 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 72 110 0160 0 72 000 0032 1 68 110 0094 0 68 000 0002 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 70 110 0160 0 70 000 0032 1 68 110 0160 0 68 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 63 110 0094 0 63 000 0002 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 63 110 0160 0 63 000 0032 1 68 110 0160 0 68 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 65 110 0094 0 65 000 0002 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 65 110 0160 0 65 000 0032 1 73 110 0094 0 73 000 0002 1 70 110 0094 0 70 000 0002 1 68 110 0160 0 68 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 68 110 0720 0 68 000
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the latest version of MIDItext and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:landas
M:3/4
Q:1/4=115
K:Ab
E2EFE2|A2GFF2|F2dBA2|G2A4|E2EFE2|A2GFF2|F2dBA2|
G2A4|E2Ace2|c2cBB2|c2AGF2|B2A2G2|E2EFE2|A2GFF2|
F2dBA2|G2A4|-A7/2||

Haruo


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Subject: ADD: My Faith Has Found a Resting Place (hymn)
From: Haruo
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 12:36 AM

My Faith Has Found a Resting Place

Lyrics: Eliza E. Hewitt, 1891
Tune: Landås (see next post)

My faith has found a resting place,
Not in device or creed;
I trust the ever living One,
His wounds for me shall plead.

     Refrain:
I need no other argument,
I need no other plea,
It is enough that Jesus died,
And that He died for me.
Enough for me that Jesus saves,
This ends my fear and doubt;
A sinful soul I come to Him,
He'll never cast me out.
(Refrain...)

My heart is leaning on the Word,
The living Word of God,
Salvation by my Savior's Name,
Salvation through His blood.
(Refrain...)

My great Physician heals the sick,
The lost He came to save;
For me His precious blood He shed,
For me His life He gave.
(Refrain...)


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Subject: ADD: My Hope Has Found ... (So.-Baptist Political)
From: Haruo
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 12:30 AM

Here's another recent "mainstream" Baptist hymn parody:

My Hope Has Found a Resting Place

Slayden A. Yarbrough (© 2002)

My hope has found a resting place, in instruments sure and true;
Doctrinal accountability's the way, for clones like me and you.

I'm allowed no other argument, espouse no other plea;
I'm told here's what I must believe, and that's enough for me!
My head it spins on every word, I need not trust in Him;
Orthodoxy by our leader's views, found in the BFM!

The tune is presumably LANDÅS, the customary tune for My Faith Has Found a Resting Place by Eliza Hewitt (1891), which I will also post while I'm at it.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sign the Creed (So.-Baptist Political)
From: Genie
Date: 04 Dec 02 - 02:17 PM

"praise songs of seven words, sung eleven times" -- I LOVE it!!!

You mean like "I Could Sing Of Your Love Forever?"

Genie


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Subject: Lyr Add: JESUS SAVES
From: Haruo
Date: 03 Dec 02 - 10:56 PM

When I first heard the phrase "7-11 praise choruses" I thought first of convenience stores. However, I have since been told that in its origin the term is shorthand for "praise songs of seven words, sung eleven times".

Here's the latest from BaptistLife.com:

>Title: Who Saves, What Saves
>Tune: JESUS SAVES
>By: "Rock"
>Theme: This hymn attempts to give voice to the confusion among moderate baptist regarding salvation as they try to bring their beliefs in this area into line with acceptable SBC practice.

  1. We have heard the Joyful Sound: Jesus Saves! Jesus Saves!
    How could we have been so wrong: Jesus Saves? Jesus Saves?
    Misunderstood at every turn, believe his grace it is enough;
    So we thought, now we wonder: Jesus Saves? Jesus Saves?


  2. His blood was shed and body bruised: Jesus Saves! Jesus Saves!
    Paul and Paige new better still: Jesus Saves? Jesus Saves?
    We thought we had salvation, infidel and skunk alike.
    We were wrong, so very wrong: Jesus Saves? But not us!


  3. Theology and doctrine: Jesus Saves? Jesus Saves?
    All along you may have thought: Jesus Saves! Jesus Saves!
    You trusted him to forgive, Now you hear a dif'rent word,
    Inerrancy has replaced Jesus Saves! Jesus Saves!


  4. All a muddle and confused: Who Saves? What Saves?
    We look around, we don't know: Who Saves? What Saves?
    Then we hear from west of here, Pickles saved, there is a way.
    We have hope! Dill, Sweet or Relish: Jesus Saves! Jesus Saves!

You probably have to be a disaffected Southern Baptist, probably also an alum of an SBC seminary, to get the part about pickles. Has to do with some high Southern Baptist mucky-muck (perhaps "Cardinal" Al Mohler?) who said something along the lines of it doesn't matter whether pickles have souls; if we say our seminaries are to teach that pickles have souls then that is what they are going to teach, by gum...

BTW, Rock's lyrics don't scan very well in my opinion. Still, the song is very popular at BaptistLife and folks there seem to be singing it without difficulty; Rock even won the coveted "Golden Spur" award for it.

Haruo


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Sign the Creed (So.-Baptist Political)
From: GUEST,Arjay
Date: 03 Dec 02 - 09:48 PM

"7-11 praise chorus!" Love it, Haruo!

Love this parody, too!

;-D


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Subject: Tune Add: JESUS SAVES
From: Haruo
Date: 02 Dec 02 - 10:51 PM

"Jesus Saves" by William Kirkpatrick, aka "Salvation (Kirkpatrick)" MID2TXT version, based on melody line of MIDI at the Cyber Hymnal:


MIDI file: jesusavz.mid


Timebase: 192


Name: salvati2

Text: By William James Kirkpatrick, 1882

Copyright: Public domain

Key: G

TimeSig: 3/4 24 8

Start

0000 1 62 110 0142 0 62 000 0002 1 62 110 0046 0 62 000 0002 1 67 110 0334 0 67 000 0002 1 62 110 0046 0 62 000 0002 1 67 110 0142 0 67 000 0002 1 69 110 0046 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0336 0 71 000 0048 1 74 110 0142 0 74 000 0002 1 74 110 0046 0 74 000 0002 1 74 110 0336 0 74 000 0048 1 71 110 0142 0 71 000 0002 1 67 110 0046 0 67 000 0002 1 69 110 0336 0 69 000 0048 1 62 110 0142 0 62 000 0002 1 62 110 0046 0 62 000 0002 1 67 110 0334 0 67 000 0002 1 62 110 0046 0 62 000 0002 1 67 110 0142 0 67 000 0002 1 69 110 0046 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0336 0 71 000 0048 1 74 110 0142 0 74 000 0002 1 74 110 0046 0 74 000 0002 1 74 110 0336 0 74 000 0048 1 69 110 0142 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0046 0 71 000 0002 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 67 110 0142 0 67 000 0002 1 67 110 0046 0 67 000 0002 1 72 110 0334 0 72 000 0002 1 72 110 0046 0 72 000 0002 1 72 110 0142 0 72 000 0002 1 72 110 0046 0 72 000 0002 1 72 110 0336 0 72 000 0048 1 67 110 0142 0 67 000 0002 1 69 110 0046 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0334 0 71 000 0002 1 71 110 0046 0 71 000 0002 1 74 110 0142 0 74 000 0002 1 71 110 0046 0 71 000 0002 1 69 110 0336 0 69 000 0048 1 74 110 0142 0 74 000 0002 1 74 110 0046 0 74 000 0002 1 74 110 0334 0 74 000 0002 1 71 110 0046 0 71 000 0002 1 72 110 0142 0 72 000 0002 1 74 110 0046 0 74 000 0002 1 76 110 0336 0 76 000 0048 1 74 110 0142 0 74 000 0002 1 74 110 0046 0 74 000 0002 1 74 110 0336 0 74 000 0048 1 69 110 0142 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0046 0 71 000 0002 1 67 110 0720 0 67 000

End


This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the latest version of MIDItext and get instructions on how to use it click here         


ABC format:


X:1

T:salvati2

M:3/4

Q:1/4=120

K:G

D3/2D/2G7/2D/2|G3/2A/2B4|d3/2d/2d4|B3/2G/2A4|

D3/2D/2G7/2D/2|G3/2A/2B4|d3/2d/2d4|A3/2B/2G4|

G3/2G/2c7/2c/2|c3/2c/2c4|G3/2A/2B7/2B/2|d3/2B/2A4|

d3/2d/2d7/2B/2|c3/2d/2e4|d3/2d/2d4|A3/2B/2G4|

-G7/2||


Haruo


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Subject: Lyr Add: JESUS SAVES (Priscilla J. Owens)
From: Haruo
Date: 02 Dec 02 - 10:45 PM

This is the hymn that "Sign the creed" parodies. It is still quite popular in those evangelically-minded churches that haven't gone over kit and caboodle to the 7-11 praise chorus.

Jesus Saves

by Priscilla J. Owens, in Songs of Redeeming Love, 1882.

  1. We have heard the joyful sound: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
    Spread the tidings all around: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
    Bear the news to every land, climb the mountains, cross the waves;
    Onward! 'tis our Lord's command; Jesus saves! Jesus saves!


  2. Waft it on the rolling tide: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
    Tell to sinners far and wide: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
    Sing, you islands of the sea; echo back, you ocean caves;
    Earth shall keep her jubilee: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!


  3. Sing above the battle strife: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
    By His death and endless life Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
    Shout it brightly through the gloom, when the heart for mercy craves;
    Sing in triumph o'er the tomb: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!


  4. Give the winds a mighty voice: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
    Let the nations now rejoice: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
    Shout salvation full and free; highest hills and deepest caves;
    This our song of victory: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

According to The Cyber Hymnal, Owens wrote this song for the Union Square Methodist Church Sunday school in Baltimore, Maryland. FWIW.

The song in the DT that uses this one's tune is In the Pit from Sin Set Free.

All the other "Jesus Saves" lyrics I've seen in the Forum are to John Brown's Body, not the Kirkpatrick tune; this includes the ubiquitous First Wisconsin Bank stanza.

Haruo


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Subject: Lyr Add: SIGN THE CREED (So.-Baptist Political)
From: Haruo
Date: 02 Dec 02 - 10:24 PM

About two weeks ago I put in my online hymnal an anonymous hymn parody entitled "Sign the Creed" which has proven to be the most popular number in my collection, receiving 338 hits since Nov. 18th.

SIGN THE CREED

by "A. Baptist", © 2002
  1. We have heard the IMB
    Sign the creed, Sign the creed
    If you want to work for me
    Sign the creed, Sign the creed
    It matters not what you believe
    Forget your Baptist history
    Just sign your name and you'll receive
    Sign the creed, sign the creed

  2. Jerry Rankin sent the call
    Sign the creed, Sign the creed
    Sign it one and sign it all
    Sign the creed, Sign the creed
    We're not asking for your soul
    Just sign and say what you are told
    All we want is full control
    Sign the creed, Sign the creed

  3. There's no priesthood anymore
    Sign the creed, sign the creed
    It's our way or out the door
    Sign the creed, sign the creed
    No discussion, no dissent
    Freedom's not what Jesus meant
    Here's the reason he was sent:
    Sign the creed, sign the creed

  4. It's very simple what we ask
    Sign the creed, Sign the creed
    A very ordinary task
    Sign the creed, Sign the creed
    But it's not a creed, you see
    Just recognizing authority
    No gods before the SBC
    Sign the creed, Sign the creed

Tune: JESUS SAVES aka SALVATION (KIRKPATICK, William J. Kirkpatrick, 1882

It is already a classic in its subculture, which is the disenfranchised set of Southern Baptists displaced by the fundamentalist takeover of that denomination (I know, I know, some of us have a hard time imagining a distinction between Southern Baptists and fundamentalists! ...) who call themselves "Mainstream Baptists". The IMB (of which Jerry Rankin is president) is the Southern Baptist Convention's International Mission Board, which recently began requiring its missionaries to "sign" the 2000 edition of the Baptist Faith & Message. This does not sit well with the non-fundamentalist set; an opposition to creedalism and a strong doctrine of the priesthood of each believer have been hallmarks of historic Baptist belief. (Here is an official Southern Baptist response to the charges in this song.)

I will post the tune, too, since neither the DT nor Mudcat MIDIs has it, even though there is already one (coal mining) song in the DT that calls for it.


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