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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Apr 03 - 02:11 PM Ah! Babylon the Mighty. How thou hast fallen! Verily, I say unto thee, there are prodigious screwups in the offing! |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Peter T. Date: 03 Apr 03 - 11:43 AM Dragging this back into the original topic, I note that there are reports over the last two days of troops in Babylon. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Apr 03 - 11:39 AM For sure, leprechaun! But...actually, most of it exists only as electronic impulses on a computerized record. A mere tiniest fraction of the supposed money out there is actually in the form of hard currency (paper or coin). That's why if we all ran to the banks and tried to withdraw our savings...the system would collapse. The real money simply isn't there. It's a sham. The real resources, however, are. We have enough land, agriculture, minerals, water, air, human knowledge, and expertise to provide a decent life for everyone on this planet. It is only required to stop playing the "get more money" game, and start actually doing something real that benefits everyone mutually. The people at the top don't care to do that...so far. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: leprechaun Date: 02 Apr 03 - 12:27 AM Well, I think some of those wealthy people should invest some of their apparently hoarded money so us poor people can get jobs and stuff. It's not very nice of them to keep it all stored away in their palaces and penthouses where it doesn't do anybody any good. Just think of the waste! 99 percent of all the world's resources stuffed under some rich guy's mattress, just laying there fallow. |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Apr 03 - 07:30 PM LOL! It's not easy to paint a completely false picture, when trying your best to be truthful and accurate. I am clearly an extraordinarily gifted fellow, and should probably be put to work soon, fund-raising for the Group to RE-Elect Dubya in 2004 (GREED-04). - LH |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:44 AM 3 inches Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Apr 03 - 06:01 AM What is the difference between an incompletely false picture and an incompletely true picture? |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 03 - 05:03 AM Teribus, Please describe the completely true picture. :) |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Teribus Date: 01 Apr 03 - 04:26 AM LH refers to, "...the very wealthy few at the top who control our banks, our media chains, our major corporations, our political parties and elected officials, and so on. I was referring to the elite at the very top of western society (and at the top elsewhere too, like in Iraq or Saudi Arabia or wherever you please)." And attributes all the ills of the world to this wealthy few. Of course if you actually look into it, you will find that that is an extremely over simplistic view, that paints a completely false picture. |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Mar 03 - 11:16 PM "Useful Idiots" are people who unwittingly support a destructive governmental policy. There are maybe 150 million or more of such people supporting George Bush's war right now. Lenin was an amateur at disseminating false propaganda, compared to the North American media and marketing machine. A similar mob of useful idiots supported Hitler and Mussolini and Pol Pot. It is exceedingly naive to think that only Communists seek the aid of useful idiots. All oppressors do it. And some useful idiots are technically quite intelligent too, if you're talking about I.Q., but they may lack some emotional intelligence in that they can so easily be persuaded to turn to needless violence to settle issues between nations. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Mar 03 - 06:01 PM How many miles to Babylon? Three score miles and ten. Can I get there by candle-light? Yes, and back again. If your heels are nimble and light, You may get there by candle-light. (Which always makes me think of Frances Chesterton's reworking of it: How far is it to Bethlehem? Not very far Shall we find the stable room lit by a star? Can we see the little Child? Is He within? If we lift the wooden latch, may we go in? May we stroke the creatures there, ox, ass or sheep? May we peep like them and see Jesus asleep? If we touch His tiny hand, will He awake? Will he know we've come so far just for his sake? Great kings have precious gifts, and we have naught Little smiles and little tears are all we brought For all weary children, Mary must weep Here, on His bed of straw, sleep, children, sleep God in His mother's arms, babe in the byre Sleep, as they sleep who find, their heart's desire.) |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: TIA Date: 31 Mar 03 - 05:48 PM That was me at 5:33, sans cookie. |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: GUEST Date: 31 Mar 03 - 05:33 PM From the "make a donation" button at the very top left of the page to which Willie-O's link leads, one can infer at least one source of funding. The troll post asks a good question, so I have emailed the organization for a list of other sources of funding. Will post reply. |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Burke Date: 31 Mar 03 - 05:24 PM The Bible verse you want is inRevelation 18 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth became illumined by his splendor. He cried out in a mighty voice: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great. She has become a haunt for demons. She is a cage for every unclean spirit, a cage for every unclean bird, (a cage for every unclean) and disgusting (beast). For all the nations have drunk the wine of her licentious passion. The kings of the earth had intercourse with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her drive for luxury." It goes on. I do not post this as any kind of agreement that prophecy is being fulfilled. It was first pointed out to me as appropriate for the US. Theologians thought John meant Rome. It is a cautionary & scarry chapter for the people of any nation that think they are invincible. |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Troll Date: 31 Mar 03 - 04:36 PM I followed the link that Willie-O provided and found an impressive array of "names" who make up the group, Human Security, but nowhere did I find any reference to who FUNDS said project. Until I know more, I will view it with the same favor that I give to those who try to sell me stocks over the phone. The thought keeps popping up regarding Lenins remarks about those who fervently supported the Revolution from other countries. He called them "usefull idiots". troll |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: gnu Date: 31 Mar 03 - 04:35 PM I agree LH. I have said many times, in this forum as well as in many other discussions, that the rich subjugate the poor, forget ALL the other political and religeous crap, and that good government by the people, for the people BLAH BLAH BLAH... how do we do it ? |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Mar 03 - 04:28 PM (chuckle) Okay, Amos, this is what I was referring to. I was not referring so much to the general population of North America, but rather to the very wealthy few at the top who control our banks, our media chains, our major corporations, our political parties and elected officials, and so on. I was referring to the elite at the very top of western society (and at the top elsewhere too, like in Iraq or Saudi Arabia or wherever you please). For me to dignify that elite by suggesting that they comprise as much as 1% of the World population was generous. It's probably far less than that. They are the people who have the lion's share of the money and the power. They are the people who want even more than they now have. They are the people who have no intention of ending poverty, ending war, or ending the other destructive cycles we are locked into. It's the ordinary people of the World who produce the World's wealth. It is the elite who have most of it. They throw us middle-class drones in North America enough crumbs and cheap entertainment to keep most of us relatively sedated and compliant (so far). They are responsible for death and suffering on a massive scale. Less than 1% of us do that...and "we're drowning in their gravy spills" (Buffy Sainte-Marie). - LH |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Amos Date: 31 Mar 03 - 03:06 PM Geeze, Little Hawk, stop waving your damn arms so fast! Can you come with some numbers for me which define what percentage of the world actually produces the bulk of the world's wealth? I suspect it about 80-20 in both cases, roughly. A |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Felipa Date: 31 Mar 03 - 02:48 PM There are two songs in the DT (to find them type the title in the lyrics search box at the top of the page). I was familiar with the E Chute song "Babylon is fallen to rise no more" but not with the Henry Clay Wok anti-slavery "Babylon is fallen". I have also had flashbacks to almost forgotten school history lessons when I hear names like "Euphrates" |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Little Hawk Date: 31 Mar 03 - 11:43 AM The number of civilians they have already seriously hurt around the World through the policy of concentrating most of the World's wealth in the hands of about 1% of its people would run into several billion at this point...and several millions in Iraq alone. And that's just "business as usual". It's not as dramatic as dropping bombs on people, but it kills people. |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: TIA Date: 31 Mar 03 - 11:40 AM That's from the Bible? I thought it was just a great song by The Melodians. |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Willie-O Date: 31 Mar 03 - 11:28 AM it's the kind of thing they wouldn't advertise. That is the exact distance from Baghdad which they had reached, last I heard, peter. Of course, one of their objectives is to not destroy archeological sites...or hurt civilians...see Iraq Body Count for the latest success story... W-O |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: GUEST,Neighmond Date: 31 Mar 03 - 11:26 AM That was me, by the way...I am at my mammie's and forgot to log in before I posted. Sorry, Chaz |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: GUEST Date: 31 Mar 03 - 11:24 AM the 136 Psalm, I believe- By the rivers of Babylon Where we lay down and there we wept as we remembered Zion for the wicked carry us away unto captivity require of us a song How can we sing king Alpha's song in a strange tongue? |
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Subject: RE: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Schantieman Date: 31 Mar 03 - 11:08 AM By the waters, the waters of Babylon We lay down and wept, and wept, for thee, Zion We remember thee, remember thee, remember thee, Zion Anyone remember that, from years ago? Biblical quotation, I believe, but as a devout atheist I don't know exactly where. Joshua? Apart from its zionist implications it seems appropriate? Steve |
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Subject: Babylon/Baghdad is Fallen.... From: Peter T. Date: 31 Mar 03 - 09:00 AM Anyone heard if the Americans have reached Babylon yet? (about 60 miles south of Baghdad). Part of the eeriness of history. yours, Peter T. |
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