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BS: I got Moles

GUEST,Jim Bob Boy 07 Jul 06 - 02:19 PM
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Subject: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:19 PM

Not the warty kind or the CIA kind but the tunneling kind. Suddenly they are all over the place in my flower beds. They even dug under a sidewalk.

Has anybody here ever been able to get rid of them?

I have asked and nobody I know was able to exterminate them. They say they have tried everything and nothing worked.

JBB


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:21 PM

Mothballs


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:26 PM

I've tried a poison gas "solution"; didn't work.   I've tried poison peanuts. Again, didn't work.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:27 PM

We've either got quite a few moles in our yard, or we have one or two very fast tunnelers. I'm still trying to figure out whether or not I think having moles is a bad thing. Is it possible that moles could be considered a beneficial animal to have around (eating lots of nasty bugs and stuff)?


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:28 PM

Get a few cats.... don't feed them

They'll get rid of the moles.... and every other little critter for 2 miles


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:28 PM

Did the Moth balls work? I really want to do a Bin Laden on them.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:53 PM

Well, if you want the subtle approach, Landmines...


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:54 PM

You need The Molecatcher


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 02:56 PM

I imagine liquid nitrogen would probably work pretty well with this kind of mole as well. Hard stuff to handle, though.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 03:47 PM

I had crabs once. My sincere condolences to you Jim Bob.


Info here.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GLoux
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 04:25 PM

check out http://www.aaanimalcontrol.com/Professional-Trapper/howtogetridofmoles.htm


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Becca72
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 04:27 PM

"Much folklore exists on how to get rid of moles. But there is little evidence that flooding; putting chewing gum, castor oil or dog hair in the holes; firebombing; or ultrasonic pest repellents actually work. Be careful not to create a larger problem for your yard than the moles present. After all, moles will aerate your soil, add organic matter to your garden and kill unwanted and harmful grubs before moving on."

I say leave the poor little fella be.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: NH Dave
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 04:32 PM

I suppose you could pipe a car's exhaust down one of the tunnels, let the car run for a while, and then look for new tunnels the next day or so. I've had fair luck running a hose down one of the tunnels and letting it run for a while. In my case about 15 minutes later I saw a sleek dark shape break ground and scurry for the neighbor's fence, with my dog in close pursuit.

   Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 04:32 PM

You don't understand the magnitude of his problem, Becca.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Becca72
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 04:46 PM

I didn't realize he had such a large yard, Peace.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 05:20 PM

You can get sonic alarms that put vibrations down the tunnels to drive them away - you can get a cheaper version by getting a few children's windmills (pinwheels) on long sticks and pushing them into the molehills. Apparently they don't like the vibrations.

As for being good for the garden... yes, they aerate your soil, but they also compact soil as they tunnel and will eat worms that are more beneficial to the soil than a mole. They also tunnel under paths and walkways that could collapse into the tunnel causing an accident or at least, expensive repairs.

Jasper Carrott's method was a bar stool and a 12bore shotgun, but I don't think he was that successful!

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 05:23 PM

In reality, he has two choices: Poison them or trap them and release them faaaaar away.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: pdq
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 05:48 PM

I have not looked at all of the links so if this has been said already so be it.

The 'vole' is a rodent which is almost invariably confused with the 'mole'. Voles produce long and often continuous trails across lawns. They eat plant material and are relatively easy to poison, as are gophers.

Moles are Insectivora and, as the name indicates, eat mainly insects. They have very small mouths and tiny teeth and do not eat plants. Shrews are 1st cousins of moles. They often make distinct mounds as opposed to the coutiuous trails of the vole.

It would be nice if you could catch one for identification purposes. Control of the two is different unless you are willing to use poison gas or car exhaust.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 05:55 PM

As the website, and quote from it, indicate, the success of the many guaranteed-sure-fire methods is more imagination than reality. Poisons of any kind are unlikely to work. Gas, flooding, etc are useless, because all the mole has to do is push a bit of dirt up to plug the tunnel.

The only method the farmers and ag agents recommend is trapping, and the only trap that's commonly used is a "spear trap" - usually just called a mole trap. It's placed straddling the tunnel, with a trigger plate against the dirt. If you "open up" the tunnel so that fresh air gets in, the mole sometimes will come back to close up the hole (to keep the rain out?). The dirt of the tunnel actually is loose, and "rises above the mole" as he moves along, which trips the trigger and spears the mole.

The same "open up the hole" and stand by with a shovel can be used, and one can sometimes "toss the mole" to where one can be captured, but few people can dig fast enough, or accurately enough, to do more than throw a lot of dirt - and no mole - all over the yard. This is a good assignment for a kid, since it keeps the kid quiet for a while; but it's better for "kid training" than for "mole catching." (I received significant expert advice and training in this manner when grandpa got annoyed at some juvenile antic or another. I excavated very few moles, despite there being plenty of them available - but I got a lot of "training.")

A problem is that the tunnel often isn't exactly a "mole highway" where the critter keeps going back and forth. It's mostly just a "where he was" and by the time you see one the mole is done with that excavation and is unlikely to come back through. He's busy making a new one somewhere else.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 05:58 PM

So, jus' put the trap where he ain't and sooner or later he will be.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 06:02 PM

Good link about mole behaviour.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: pdq
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 06:14 PM

From one of the links:

"Much folklore exists on how to get rid of moles. But there is little evidence that flooding; putting chewing gum, castor oil or dog hair in the holes; firebombing; or ultrasonic pest repellents actually work. Be careful not to create a larger problem for your yard than the moles present. After all, moles will aerate your soil, add organic matter to your garden and kill unwanted and harmful grubs before moving on."

And from another:

"Wondering how to get rid of moles? There is no magic spray or device that you can use to make them go away. Some people try to sell predator urine, such as coyote or fox urine to get rid of moles, but that doesn't work. They also try to sell ultrasonic sound emitters. These devices are worthless at eliminating moles. Some old wive's tales recommend the use of mothballs or ammonia-soaked rags to make them leave, but I've been to countless homes where these techniques failed - biologists know that these attempts won't work. The ONE AND ONLY WAY to take care of your problem is with trapping and removal of the animals. If you need to find a professional trapper in your hometown, just click our comprehensive list of hundreds of wildlife removal professionals, and you can have your problem quickly taken care of!"


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 06:50 PM

Ahhhhh, if you have moles than you also have, or will have voles... Moles eat grubs... Voles eat yer plants...

GrubX is a start... It will soak into the ground and kill the food source... No food... No moles... Now as fir the voles you can put out mouse traps with peanut butter with a plastic bucket over it with a rock on top to keep it down and catch them critters...

Also, if yer a gardener mix in Permitil with yer planting medium... Moles hate Permitil...

Good luck...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 07:38 PM

Holy moley! I have never heard of moles being a problem. A help for the garden, but not a problem. In any case, as Clinton said, cats. But, feed them. They don't need to be hungry to keep the vermin down. They regard it as their duty and resonsibility to pay you back for the food and shelter. Yeah, sure, cats are gracious and appreciative. As long as you keep their litter box clean and tidy, they won't dig up your garden and shit in it.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 07:48 PM

I went to a dermatologist...


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 07:52 PM

Techincally, gnu, yer right... Moles are of no harm other then messing up yer yard with their tunnels... The mole is large and stays purdy much under ground and eats the grubs and purdy much minds his own business...

***But*** what happens is that the voles will find the mole tunnels and set up shop in them, have lots of babies, who like their parents have only one food source in mind: your garden!!! They will eat an entire potato crop... They will eat the roots of any hosta they find leaving the top dead as a door nail... The will eat the roots of tomatoes, spinich and corn... The will eat yer carrots and yer beets as well as those purdy annuals you bought in the spring that have now mysteriouly died...

No, get the sumabitchs out...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Alice
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 08:54 PM

I dumped a box of mothballs down the hole, filled it with water, then with dirt. It left or died. No more tunnels.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 08:59 PM

In small yards the moth balls will sometimes do the trick... IN larger ones the moles just leave that tunnel and start another one...


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 09:04 PM

Dynamite. Works like a charm, and you get your lawn aereated and everything, maybe even a new house. Or pump about 50 gallons of gasoline down the holes and then light it.

Why not call an exterminator, like I did for the voles in my backyard? They're pros and sometimes can relocate the critters instead of killing them.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 09:22 PM

Now I know where I got my vole problem from... Thanks a bunch, Rap...

BTW, in Virgina you have to be a trained "wildlife rahabilitor" to catch anything wild and move it even so much as 10 feet... But you can catch the poor critter and nuke the sumabitch and that's okay dokey, all righty???


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 07 Jul 06 - 10:42 PM

We had moles in our yard and my German Shepherd quickly turned their tunnels into his ditches all over the yard. Sad thing is that I did a few Dick Van Dyke's when walking out into the yard early in the AM.




Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 01:00 AM

Are they moles? There are no moles in Alberta, but people here look at you funny and roll their eyeballs when you tell them that. Anything that burrows and stays underground gets called a mole.

What they have is the pocket gopher, a larger critter that also is seldom seen since it is fossorial (stays underground, but every so often pushes up mounds of dirt) and tunnels along eating all plant parts that are underground. Nothing is more discouraging than pulling up what looks like a good carrot and finding the pocket gopher has eaten the best part. Traps work to some extent. Put gas fumes or water into a tunnel and they quickly seal it off.

Ground squirrels are another garden problem, but they pop out of their tunnels and wander around, so you can shoot the little buggers. Canadians mistakenly call them gophers, apparently having confused the French word gaufre (sp.?).


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 06:17 AM

Well there ya go, a Gauffre is a pocket gopher according to Merriam Webster, but according to this and me, a Gauffre is a waffle.
So have you got waffles in your garden?
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Rasener
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 06:59 AM

I used crushed mothballs down the hole once, and never saw them again. Aparrently they hate the smell of mothballs. Anyway a couple of days I noticed they were in the next doors garden, but they didn't come back to mine.

So if what some of you hav e sadi above, if mounds of earth appear, they are probably voles not moles. Is that correct?


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: pdq
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 09:29 AM

No. All of the creatures mentioned, voles, moles, squirrels and gophers will come the the surface and push out dirt, thus evacuationg their burrows.

Voles are not as powerful diggers as moles and will often stay closer to the surface. When you see a very long continuous raised runway, especially in a lawn, it is likely a vole.

Of all those mentioned, only moles are Insectivora (shrews and relatives), the rest are Rodentia. Moles are not as widely distributed as the others. Actually quite rare in many ares. Also require a different type control as they do not eat plant material.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Rasener
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 09:49 AM

Gotcha.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 11:18 AM

Thanks, pdq, for restatin' what I've been tryin' to tell these knotheads...

Voles is the ones eatin' yer danged plants...

Moles eat grubs...

Voles will also move into mole tunnels and use them for breeding, and getting closer to them yummy hosta roots...

You will greatly cut down on both by using GrubX to kill the grubs that live in yer dirt...

And if you have any problems plant all yer hostas in Permitil... Some folks even plant 'um in wire baskets... Niether voles nor moles will chew on wire...

Bobert (vole fighter...)


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 12:10 AM

I put 3 kinds of poison in the tunnels. Tomcat fake worms, Stectracide nuggets and Bonide with Phosphide which are supposed to work on moles and voles.

It's too early to tell if it worked.

My mother had the simplest solution. Just run a hose in the tunnels untill they drown.

JBB


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Mr Fox
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:29 AM

You could sit up all night with a torch tied to a 12-bore shotgun..........


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 08:00 AM

Maybe Grease works...


I got moles
They're in my garden.
And I'm losing control
So my heart I'll have to harden
Just to kill a mole. (not sure if that should be pronounced as "kill em all")

I gotta shape up, it's a test for me
And my garden looks a mess
Gotta shape up, just to be pest free
'Cos my lawn's not like the rest
No it's not, no it's not, it's past its best.
Gotta get a mothball (oo oo oo honey)
And stick it down the hole. (oo oo oo honey)
So I can be, Talpidae free... ... ...



Nigel


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 08:55 PM

I've never had moles but my dad did. I was the little kid with the spade standing near the farthest hill. He ran the hose down the tunnel as far as he could, turned on the water, picked up a shovel, then waited. The critter emerged and we are lucky we didn't hit each other with the back of the spades in our pusuit. We got 'em though!

Thats called quality time. A real bonding experience.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 09:32 PM

Opens the door for a commercial venture.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 05:06 PM

What I've found to be extremely helpful is to crouch down very low with your butt pointing straight at the mole hole and let loose a good one. The gas will scare them away and you won't have used any poisons. It's a 100% environmentally safe method and it usually doesn't kill the cute little buggers.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 05:27 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 05:30 PM

I watched very carefully today and I actually spotted where the a mole was digging. The ground was heaving up and down in one little raised spot.

I ran and got my weeder fork and stabbed it into the ground at the spot several times. When I dug down I did not see any remains. The bugger got away.

JBB


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 07:30 PM

G'damned nature, kill it, nuke it, eradicate it. When it wants to live as nature lives and that interferes with your enjoyment - anhiliate it, after all man has dominion over nature so we have every right to.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:09 AM

What did the baby mole say when he was asked about his first day following his family in the tunnels?



It was OK, but all I could smell all day was MoleAsses.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:31 AM

Got my latest Gardener's Supply catalog today. Not that I garden -- there were some good Xmas gift options a couple of years ago.

They've got several less toxic options on their web site, search on "moles", here.

~ Becky in Tucson
where the ground's too hard for those little guys (we've got other critters, though)


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:50 PM

"The mole is the amount of substance of a system which contains as many elementary entities as there are atoms in 0.012 kilogram of carbon-12. When the mole is used, the elementary entities must be specified and may be atoms, molecules, ions, electrons, other particles, or specified groups of such particles.
This is the fundamental definition of what one mole is. One mole contains as many entities as there are in 12 grams of carbon-12 (or 0.012 kilogram).

In one mole, there are 6.022 x 1023 atoms. Here's another way: there are 6.022 x 1023 atoms of carbon in 12 grams of carbon-12."

from the www


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:59 PM

I spotted the critter digging again today. Stabbed away at the spot and he still got away. Damn they move fast.

JBB


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 02:10 PM

Mommy, JimBob killed Spot.

See Spot. See Spot after JimBob sees Spot. Spot is fu#ked.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 03:19 PM

Peace: Surely that should be "6.022*10^23" (Avogadro's Constant), or at least, he's fairly regular

CHEERS
Nigel
(memo to self) learn how to do superscripts


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 03:22 PM

It's Whackamole for real.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 07:48 AM

Well I reckon if you catch one you should punish it big time as a warning to the others. I once saw a farm gate post with 6 moles hung up on a string. Mind you, I don't know if any of the remaining moles were looking up at about human head height!

My uncle Mort always reckoned that moles deserved the most horrific death he could imagine. He buried them alive...

Quack!
Geoff the Duck.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Crystal
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 07:51 AM

May I just point out that moles are increadably cute and I don't think people should kill them!

Capture and release!


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 08:57 AM

How about cockroaches? Catch and release?


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 09:16 AM

Peace (and Nigel)

In one mole, there are 6.022 x 1023 atoms

In one mole there are 6.022*1023 molecules.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 10:35 AM

My grandad had a trip device that looked like a pitchfork.....you put the trip in the tunnel and the pitchfork above ground. Mole goes thru tunnel, trips the trigger, gets stabbed in the back. Worked for him.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 02:08 PM

You're working so hard to kill these small animals to maintain an unnatural monoculture called a lawn, right? Such vanity, to kill native critters so your lawn isn't lumpy. Geez.

And all of this putting moth balls out--those things are so toxic they should be illegal. Don't use them for anything, any time, any where. The law of unintended consequences is hounding the heels of anyone who puts those nasty pellets out. First time a toddler comes across one in the yard and pops it in her mouth you'll know why they're a bad idea.

If you want to upset the balance of native wildlife in your yard, get a dog. My two (unfortunately) do a splendid job of knocking off the native critters. They'd love a go at moles, since they such good diggers themselves.

Note: with dogs in the yard, I'm not worried about trying to maintain any particular turf. Dogs are too hard on it, and I hate most lawns anyway. I keep it green and mowed out back because the dogs are more comfortable that way.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 05:07 PM

The simple solution is this: Get a backhoe and dig out the whole yard to a depth of three feet. Put some gravel in and then pour concrete. Paint the whole thing green when the concrete has dried. That will solve both the mole and the weed problem. Ideas R Us.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 05:12 PM

AND the mowing problem! I actually considered it once....but it would just be too hot. The grass helps keep it cooler


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 05:15 PM

OK then. Put water piping about four inches from the surface and run cold water through it (a la skating rink). The water will come out hot and can be used to shower or cook things. If water supply is a problem, divert a near-by river.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 10:35 PM

Well, I don't got moles (except on my skin, and those I keep an eye on). I got voles, specifically Short-Tailed Voles. A LOT of them.

I tried a repellent. It didn't work.

A pest guy just came and put out zinc phosphide pellets and ZP-coated grain.

I hope that they all die underground, 'cause I gotta cut the grass. Running over a dead vole with the lawn mower isn't my idea of a good time.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:56 PM

Rapaire, I'm surprised you don't have a local population of owls hanging around in the golf course. Does it have any trees for them to perch in? Until my dogs started chasing off the owls they used to hunt in my back yard.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:07 AM

The gal is right!


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:24 AM

I had two more mole encounters today and they got away. Too damn fast.

I stomp down the tunnels so they have to dig more. Then I watch the ends of the new tunnels to see of the ground is heaving up and down. Then I attack.

It seems they have vertical tunnels going down into the fill dirt around the house that they escape thru. There is a basement and where it is backfilled the soil still has pockets in it especially around the stairwells. When I attack on one side of the house, they pop up on the other side in a few hours with no tunnels leading to that side. I'll bet there is an entire mole city down there.

What is the difference between me killing them and a cat or dog killing them? The bastards are dead either way and I don't have cat or dog crap to worry about.

JBB


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:32 AM

The difference is that the dog or cat considers catching stuff to be its job. They're hard-wired that way, there isn't an ethical or moral high ground to dispute or debate. (Meaning, you can't prevent it even if you want to.)


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:35 AM

You may not wish to go this route just yet . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:41 AM

Uh, scratch that as a serious consideration. I just saw this!


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:50 AM

I worked at San Juan Island National Historical Park many years ago, right after their troubles with an exploding rabbit population. I don't know how many rabbits the owls ate, and they probably didn't cause the much-needed drop in population, but I do know they loved the voles that ran through the prairie on the south end of the island at American Camp. They used to regurgitate the pellets of bones and fur from their perch atop the flagpole. It meant that as a park naturalist you could usually find a handy source of natural history materials right around the flag area.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 09:21 AM

Last summer I saw an absolutely beautiful white-phase gyrfalcon perch on the old TV antenna mast in the backyard. And there are trees on the golf course, but for some reason the gyrfalcon is the only raptor that's ever shown up. And it flew away (sob!) before I could get the camera.

(The old antenna mast is one of those that were used for those big "satellite antennae" that used to be the in thing to own. It stands about seven feet -- or +2 meters -- tall and is constructed of 1/4 inch steel pipe about 6 inches in diameter. I tried to cut the damned thing down and failed. Now I use it as an objet d'art, even though I orginally wanted to for a vertically-oriented spud gun -- an idea my wife quickly killed for some reason known but to wives.)


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 10:07 AM

I should think so! What a terrific waste of perfectly good potatoes.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 01:01 PM

We got lots of potatoes here. Also sugar beets and verious legumes. A lentil gun...hmmmm.........


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 01:04 PM

We had pee shooters when I was a kid. Now I'm old and I still have a pee shooter. It's slightly different but--well, I'll stop there.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: pdq
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 03:57 PM

...with a face like this, you wonder how they...

                                                                      photo here


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 04:01 PM

How do you know it's the face?


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: pdq
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 04:34 PM

'Cause that end suggests the face of Barbara Streisand.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 04:36 PM

Actually, that's the other end of mole with hemmorhoids.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 04:40 PM

I guess ya had to be there . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 05:20 PM

God, Peace, but that takes guts!


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: bobad
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 06:12 PM

I never know when to use a colon.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 06:21 PM

It's alimentary.


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 06:25 PM

GROANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.........


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 06:50 PM

This...


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Subject: RE: BS: I got Moles
From: GUEST,Jim Bob Boy
Date: 27 Jul 06 - 10:55 PM

Well I never got that mole but he went away. I was using my battery drill with a bulb planting auger to drill some shallow holes in my lawn's bare spots in prepearation to putting down some seed.

After that I never saw the mole again. Evidently the noise of the drill chased him off.

I think there is something to those things that make noises to scare them away.


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