Subject: Lyr Add: PILLS OF WHITE MERCURY From: Metchosin Date: 02 Nov 99 - 06:43 PM This Version of Young Sailor Cut Down in his Prime is by Old Blind Dogs from their album Tall Tails. I'm having trouble with some of the words in the first verse eg. boozen? blen? If someone speaks with a nice thick Scottish brogue, perhaps they could help?
Lyr Add: PILLS OF WHITE MERCURY
As I was walkin'
Oh had she but told me
It's down on the corner
Oh doctor, dear doctor
Now get you six fellows
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Metchosin Date: 02 Nov 99 - 06:53 PM Oops! the Chorus is Oh had she but told me etc. and repeated after every verse, I don't know what I did to screw it up but, oh well. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Les B Date: 02 Nov 99 - 07:23 PM Might "boozen" be bosom ? Although that's a pretty severe wound for VD. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 02 Nov 99 - 07:54 PM Did you transcribe that from printed lyrics, or by ear? Do they name any source? Malcolm PS: Mercury ointment was still available in the 1970s (from elderly chemists who had old stock) but I'm not sure what it was prescribed for by then. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Metchosin Date: 02 Nov 99 - 08:01 PM Hi Malcom, I transcribed it by ear. Our family sings a shorter, less graphic version, called Down by the Royal Albion and a slight variant of the one on the DT. I've probably goofed up a bit but I still don't know how to link things and I started an earlier discussion under the heading Streets of Laredo and was going to post the lyrics there, but thought more people might be able to help with my word problem if I put it out directly in the forum. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Bruce O. Date: 02 Nov 99 - 08:25 PM You have to distinguish between the two chlorides of mercury, calomel (Hg,2Cl2,), and corrosive sublimate (HgCl,2). Calomel is still around. The mercury treatment of syphilis is much older than "The Unfortunate Rake".
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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: MAG (inactive) Date: 02 Nov 99 - 10:15 PM When I first heard this song, "Saint James Infirmary" made a lot more sense to me. The dead sweetheart was a hooker, and the narrator knows he is going to die, too. Sooner. did everybody know this but me? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: DonMeixner Date: 02 Nov 99 - 10:32 PM Mag, Ah...Yes... we all did. Don |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 99 - 12:26 AM Ah, I didn't Mag, I actually never associated the two songs as well either, because I sing St. James Infirmry to a different tune than the Pills of white Mecury. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Jeri Date: 03 Nov 99 - 08:30 AM Metchosin, recurring lesions of syphilis called "gummas" can attack different places in the body, including mucous membranes. I've seen photos of people with late syphilis who were lacking noses. Maybe that's what a "boozen" is? I wish I had a Scots-English dictionary. Could be something like: Put the hole in his booz, and...? Or could it be: "Put the hole in his noos (nose) and...?" I have to run off to work now, but I can try asking on the Scots (EMail) List when I get back later today, if you'd like. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 03 Nov 99 - 10:57 AM "Blen" is probably "Blain" -a boil or blister, or the scar thereof. By extension, the disease that caused it. "The hole in his boozen" might be "The whole on (i.e. of) his bosom", but I'm only speculating there, not having heard the recording. "Closin(g)" can mean "breathing with difficulty". The first verse is quite heavily Scots, while the rest are a lot more like other versions I've come across; I wonder if they've collated more than one set? Does it say anything in the sleeve-notes? Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 99 - 01:56 PM Hi, I'll try to get the sleeve notes from my brother and get back to it later later. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 99 - 01:56 PM Hi, I'll try to get the sleeve notes from my brother and get back to it later later. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Greg F. Date: 03 Nov 99 - 06:00 PM In trying to "decipher" the lyrics, you may be confusing the symptoms of the disease with those of the treatment! Dosing with mercurials, including Calomel, could produce a sore mouth, bleeding gums, profuse salivation, the loss of teeth, caries in the jawbone, and open sores- literally holes an inch in diameter or more- thru the cheek and under the jaw. There was serious disagreement among doctors about the use(or misuse) of Calomel at the period of the War of 1812 and earlier; some of the case descriptions are positively nauseating!. I can't find the reference at the moment (of course) but believe that at least in the 19th century "White Mercury" was called 'white precipitate of mercury- but am no chemist. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Greg F. Date: 03 Nov 99 - 06:40 PM Additional: Good old Web- FROM: ObsoleteBritishChemicalTerms http://dbhs.wvusd.k12.ca.us/Chem-History/Obsolete-Chem-Terms3.html "White Precipitated Mercury (Precipitate of Sublimate of Mercury) Mercurammonium chloride (HgNH2Cl)" |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 99 - 08:27 PM Well, either way it had you coming or going, pardon the pun, if you didn't die from the disease you died from the so called cure. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Jeri Date: 03 Nov 99 - 08:48 PM Well, if someone is going to die from syphilis, it normally takes quite a few years. Mercury poisoning is a lot faster. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Date: 03 Nov 99 - 08:52 PM Were the pills of white mercury the infusible white precipitate of mercury [Hg(NH2)Cl], or the fusible white precipitate of mercury [Hg(NH3)2Cl2]? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 99 - 09:03 PM I don't think if your toungue was hanging over your chin and you had a hole in your "boozen" you'd care. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: DonMeixner Date: 03 Nov 99 - 10:21 PM Mag, Actually I was just pickin' on ya. Don |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Metchosin Date: 03 Nov 99 - 11:08 PM Thanks Don, I think I like this place it's really helpful and fun to boot. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: MAG (inactive) Date: 04 Nov 99 - 02:29 PM Hunh? (I knew that. My sense of humor is coming along OK.) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: GUEST,Priscilla Date: 03 Feb 02 - 03:08 PM This is an old thread, but I was searching for the song and found this, so I thought I'd post a clarification to one of the lines. According to a post by Ian Benzie (former lead singer of Old Blind Dogs) on their message board, the words heard variously as "bad luck to the girl who gave him the blen" or "phlegm" should be "bad luck to the girlie fa gied [who gave] him the glim." For anyone interested, their forum is at http://pub16.ezboard.com/fnevermindforumsoldblinddogs |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Clinton Hammond Date: 03 Feb 02 - 03:16 PM Ya beat me to it Priscillia... A good MB they have over there too! ;-) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: GUEST,Dane Brooke Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:13 AM FWIW I asked a local pharmacist what was the old treatment for syphilis, and she said that white mercury is mercury chlorate (HgClO3, probably... I didn't look it up, sorry) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Pills of White Mercury From: Jack Campin Date: 25 Jul 11 - 06:54 AM That pharmacist would have got a lot of patients killed. It's mercuric chloride. Quetel's book "History of Syphilis" is a great read and explains a lot of what folks here have been writing about. |
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