Little known '60s Folk Singers

Subject: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 06:52 PM

Who were the talented folk singers of the 60's who played the coffee houses, etc., and perhaps toured, but, the masses never really knew of their musical gifts? Tell us about them, and what made them special. Perhaps you were one of them. Thanks in advance.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:03 PM

My friend Luke Faust was legendary in Greenwich Village, BEFORE Bob Dylan arrived. He's mentioned in the liner notes of Dylan's first album. Luke was the finest clawhammer banjo player I ever heard, and a brilliantly innovative musician on any instrument he could get his hands on. Part of the reason that he was so legendary was that he really wasn't all that interested in performing, so when he showed up on the street and was going in to some coffee house to perform, word would spread.

I met Luke in 1961 and we immediately clocked, musically. We drew from the same well.. The Anthology Of American Folk Music and the re-issues of musicians recorded back in the 20's and 30's. Our opportunites to perform were limited because when Dylan arrived, nobody was interested in people who sang traditional music any more.
Peter LaFarge (who did become reasonably well known) made a prophetic statement in the early 60's that if you didn't write your own songs, you'd never make it. Luke and I wrote songs allright. Unfortunately, they sounded as much like out-takes from the Anthology Of American Folk Music as we could make them, so our audience was very limited. In 1964, I left New York, and Luke did some playing around.. first with The Insect Trust, a psychedelic/blues/folk rock band who cut two albums for Capital Records. (The second album had a lithograph of Hoboken on the cover, done by Luke. And, from time to time, Luke would surface as part of Pete Stampfel and the Bottle Caps.
Pete was known primarily for being at least one half of the Holy Modal Rounders.

Luke still lives in Hoboken and does some music, but I don't keep in as close touch with him as I used to. I've never met anyone who had the brilliance and creativity that he had.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jennie.
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:32 PM

Luke Kelly and Pat Cooksey, before the Dubliners, was hard to beat,
in London I heard the two of them singing, I was a journalist with
the Gaurdian at this time. Luke was very famous later with the
Dubliners, little known in those days perhaps, but I think not now.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Steve-o
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:49 PM

In L.A., they guy was Steve Mann. To this day, the most astounding and creative finger-pick guitarist I've ever seen/heard (and a decent singer). His legend is certainly secure, but he never attained wide recognition. He made two albums, both rather poorly recorded, but if you can get your hands on them, they're gold! Also, I went to college with a terrific folk singer named Bill Vanaver. A multi-instrumentalist and really good singer, he certainly fashioned himself after Pete Seeger. He made a few albums, but never "found fame", and last I heard he operated a "folk troupe" of singers and dancers in New York. Both of the above are fabulously talented, but the masses missed them.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:24 PM

There was a duo called Bud and Travis that were remarkably good back in the late 50's early 60's. They put out half a dozen albums and toured the country for a several years. Their sound was copied by the Kingston Trio and many of the other folk era groups. Although there are still many folks who knew oof them, I don't believe they received the recognition they deserved. I still have some of their recordings and still find them great to listen to today.

Mike

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:49 PM

Charlie Chin. He was a banjo player/singer (five string) who did many of his performances at The Four Winds.

Sean Gagnier. He worked the basket houses and wrote his songs. Sean moved to Montreal and much later--after the death of his wife Marsha--returned to the USA. Sean passed away two years ago.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:18 PM

Charlie Chin was also a member of Catmother And The Allnight Newsboys.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:21 PM

Yeah, Jerry, you knew him. Who else from that crew? Any names come to mind?

Bert Mason--played ala Richie Havens. In fact, Richie may have been influenced by Mason's playing style. Last saw Bert in Montreal in about 1975. Heckuva live performer. He always made good baskets.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Padre
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:23 PM

In Charlottesville and Richmond VA there was a quartet called the 'Inn Group' who played for about 3 years before one member entered the military. They had a left-handed banjo player named tom Mayes who was really good.

Padre

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:09 PM

As Alaska Mike said .... "Bud and Travis!" Superb.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:36 PM

Len Chandler. A real rarity... a black folk singer in the 60's... it was pretty much him and Jackie Washington. Len had a unique approach to getting people to sing along. If you weren't singing along he'd leave the stage and come over to your table in a threatening way and make you sing, Damn it! Many white visitors to Greenwich Village felt uncomfortable around black folks to begin with, and an assertive black musician was downright intimidating.

Actually, Len was a real good natured, friendly guy. It was more of a stage presence at the time, and a game, if anything.

Jay Unger was also in Cat Mother and The Allnight Newsboys, as you probably remember, brucie. If he hadn't written Ashokan Farewell, he probably would have faded into oblivion.

Add Allan Block to the list... one of the most enjoyable singers and fiddle players I ever had the pleasure of listening to. Totally unpretentious, too. He played music for the right reason.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:44 PM

Len once had a talk with me about being black--his blackness, not mine--and he opened a world for me. He was very forceful, but inside there was the guy who wrote "To Be a Man", and in there was a very kind heart. He explained what a thumb pick was to me--I'd never seen one before--and talked to me about what it meant to write songs. He was a good man, and he also critiqued my stage performance at Gerde's Folk City, much to my benefit. Thanks for the reminder, Jerry.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:55 PM

How about Paul Siebel...........Anyone remember Fred Starner?......
and so many others.............Frank of Toledo

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:59 PM

YES. Paul was fantastic. He was a wonderful guitar players, singer and songwriter. Very humble guy, and he didn't need to be. Loved his work. He influenced many up and comings, and he had a great talent with audiences.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Francy
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:04 PM

The last I heard of Paul Siebel, he had quit music and was living in Baltimore, Md........Working in a bakery......Fred Starner is now living in Los Angeles and plays banjo and sings ala Pete Seeger.....
                   Frank of Toledo

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: iamjohnne
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:42 PM

Chuck Mitchell, ex-husband of Joni. From Detroit, but I heard him in Coconut Gove FL back in the late sixties. Also Ron Kickasola, played Celtic folk tunes. Of course there was Michael Smith too, but he has made quite a name for himself.
My good friend Vince Martin. Played in the Village and also down in Coconut Grove. Vinny had a major hit, "Cindy O Cindy" back in the late fifties. Vinny did an outstanding version of Travis Edmonson's "I'm a Drifter". Yeah that is Travis of "Bud and Travis"

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:42 PM

Yeah, I heard the same thing about Paul Siebel. I loved the guy and still, on ocassion, will perfrom his "Legend of the Captain's Daughter"... BTW, he aslo wrote "Louise" that lots of folks know from Leop Koktee.

Ahhhh, how about the Pozo-Seco Singers with Don Williams.

I don't remember the "Inn Group", Padre, from Richomnd in the 60's but I was a tad busy with rock 'n roll and missed a lot of folks acts.

There were a few other folks doing some folk music back then. Like Bob Martin. Anyone remember him? He's still playing somewhere. Art Traum? And of course, Loudoun Wainwright. (Opps, too big a name. Sorry).

Bobert

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Francy
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:54 PM

Yes, remember Art Traum well...And also his brother Happy.......

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Nancy King
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:20 AM

In the Georgetown area of Washington DC, there was a nice venue called The Cellar Door, which regularly featured a fine guitarist and singer named Donal Leace (he played other places too, but that's where I remember him from). Very good material, and just about the nicest guy you'd ever hope to meet. I was very pleased to see him again for the first time in many years this past June at the Washington Folk Festival. New material, but the same gentle appeal.

Nancy

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: 12-stringer
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:12 AM

Mark Spoelstra.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:18 AM

Hey, I've heard of him 12-stringer. He was a friend of Dylan's was he not?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: NH Dave
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:34 AM

Howie Mitchell - builder and player of plucked and hammered dulcimers. His books on building and playing these instruments were published by Folk Legacy, and were available with a record or cassette. They'd be even better with a CD - broad hint to Sandy Paton to republish these books and music combos.

Sandy Bull, a New Yorker who decided to learn to play the bagpipes by buying a set and practicing until he drove us all round the bend. He also played guitar and banjo, learned from Pete Seeger, if I remember correctly. Doing a little checking via Google I just learned that he had several "World Music" records/CDs out, and only recently passed away, in 2001.

Dave

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: breezy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 04:18 AM

Over here in the U K theres a guy playing at the Staines folk club at the 3 Tuns on Monday 8th Nov who was around then but went into carreer hibernation from folk

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 04:58 AM

The only trouble with hibernating creatures is that they tend to re-emerge just when you've assumed that they're not around anymore. :-)

Breezy, I bet if someone started a thread on venereal disease, you'd find a way of self-advertising on it !

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: breezy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:23 AM

I'm little but I've heard your not

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: breezy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:24 AM

Bryant would make soemone a wonderful wife.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Mike Regenstreif
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:04 AM

Bruce Murdoch was a great singer-songwriter from here in Montreal.

At 17, he was anthologized with Richard Farina, Patrick Sky and David Cohen (David Blue)on the Singer-Songwriter Project LP. He later made a couple of other LPs.

Bruce quit the music biz around 25 years ago, moved out to Alberta and became a high school teacher.

He's someone I really miss.

Mike Regenstreif

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:05 AM

Dave "Buck" Polley. Big mate of Alex Campbell, they used to do gigs together and take along the young Anne Briggs and Bert Jansch so they could get floor spots.

A heroin addict, he OD'd on a mixture of morphine and cocaine and died 20 June 1964. Bert wrote "Needle of Death" for him.

Pete

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: 42
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:12 AM

reading this thread made me go and pull out Albion Do Wa - Cat Mother and the All Night Newsboys's album - before they changed their name. What a great sound! Makes me happy I had and still have a high quality turntable!

j

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:51 AM

Nancy King,

I remember the Cellar Door real well. I loved that place. So intimate. And being pretty much et the DC end of Key Bridge, easy to get to.

Speaking of Paul SiebelI saw him there.

Also saw Leo Kotkee, Richie Havens, Goose Creek Sympony and Joan Biaz there...

Some fine memories...

Bobert

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:39 AM

Shh! Look behind you -

Do you mean this Bruce Murdoch?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:23 AM

I agree Bud & Travis aren't "unknown" . I.e. even I have heard of them (& got one of their CDs).

RtS

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:47 AM

Albion Doo Wa Is a great album... still have mine in mint condition.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:19 AM

In Cleveland there was a great perfomer named Tedd Browne who was shot and killed in Cleveland Heights on the way home from a gig. He recorded two albums that I dig out and play on my show every year, great voice, sadly missed.

Andy Cohen is known by some, but should be better known by all, for many years in Kent Ohio, now in Memphis, Tenn. and happier than ever, I hope.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:20 AM

and Susan Reed, though well known in the 40s-50s disappeared from public notice, just before the folk 'boom' hit.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Chris in Wheaton
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:39 AM

Barbara Dane

Will Holt

Jo Mapes - who told Odetta about folk music

Alan Arkin - heard his son is doing well

Ian Buchanan - who taught Jorma K how to fingerpick

Johnny Herald and the Greenbriar Boys

I used to go to the Elektra bin, then Folkways, not much else back then.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: fretless
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 11:46 AM

I'd second Dave on Sandy Bull and Jerry on Allan Block. Both great musicians.

And from the Village in the early 60s add John Winn and Barry Kornfeld to the little known but worthy list.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: ThreeSheds
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 11:53 AM

How come no one has mentioned the great Rambling Sid Rumpo ,famous as you may well recall for his moolies and scruttocks

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:25 PM

Bob Grossman.
Originally from Los Angeles. Recorded an album for Elektra around 1963, and was featured on an Elektra folk sampler with Judy Collins, Theo Bikel and the Limeliters.
The good news: He's alive and well and, as Robert Grossman, has been a stage actor many years, doing a lot of work in Detroit and a few other cities.
Better news: He has recorded another CD, only 40 years later. It's tremendous. Whether he'll release it is another question, as is whether he'd want me to say anything more about it.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Chanteyranger
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:52 PM

I wouldn't put Sandy Bull in the unknown category, as he was a recording artist on the Vanguard label. Not a household name, that's for sure, but known to those who bought folk music albums in the 60's.

What about Ted Alevizos, who appeared on an obscure regional 1950's recording w/ the young and not yet famous Joan Baez; "Folksingers 'Round Harvard Square." A reissue of that album was distributed in the 70's. Anyone know what became of him?

Instead of names like Bud and Travis, Sandy Bull, etc. my reading of Guest's question is more about local/regional favorites that, though very talented, never made it onto a national label, or had ambitions to do so (such as who Jerry Rasmussen posted about).

Chanteyranger

Chanteyranger

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: PoppaGator
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:13 PM

Mention of Bud & Travis on the one hand, and of Len Chandler and Jackie Washington on the other, reminded me of a great and largely-forgotten duo, Joe and Eddie -- two black guys who brought incredible gospel-style vocal harmonies to the early commercial-folk scene. They were moderately successful, recording two or three albums, but their career was suddenly cut short when one of them died young.

You should hear their rendition of "There's a Meeting Here Tonight"; tremendously exciting, with little or no instrumental accompaniment, just handclapping and soaring vocals. I think they were a little too far ahead of their time.

In the category of "folk-like" singer-songwriters who each made a splash with a hit song or two covered by other artists, how 'bout Tim Hardin and Fred Neil? Both sang their own songs better than anyone else did, and both deserve to be remembered more widely than they are.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:47 PM

Hey! Great thread. Thanks for all the contributions to those who did.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:58 PM

The Knob Lick Upper 10,000.
A trio (I think) who made a fine album that included "Two Little Boys," "Rocky Mountain Water" and a really nice second guitar harmony line on "Jimmy Brown the Newsboy."

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 04:19 PM

Allen Damron was a local "biggie" in the clubs and coffee houses in Texas Univ. towns in the 1960s. Banjo player named John Clay, also. While I was trying to get through school, even I sang around town here in those years. And there was a guy named Mike something here in Austin during those years. Guitarist, singer, nice guy. Used to sing one with a chorus that started: "Don't let them take the Bible out of our schoolrooms. Don't let them close the door to your child's heart." Saw him on a visit here in the late '70s or the '80s and he said he'd been working on boats on the Mississippi River. Piloting them. Anybody know him or where he might be?   Tw

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 04:31 PM

Fred Neil: Used to hear him at the Gaslight Cafe in Greenwich Village in the early 60's. That was before he had released any albums. Collectors Choice has reissued all his recorded output on CD, if you're interested. What a voice! And a bass voice, which is only rarely heard on record, except when the bass sings "Why is everbody always pickin' on me?"

Jerry

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Francy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:12 PM

I was working in New York in 1962 & 63 at the Brass Rail in Times Square, as a broiler cook, and hung out at a bar named Junior's on about 56th Street....Mostly jazz was played there on the pian. I met a young english folk singer there named Matt McGinn. He was a part of the folk 60's....Those were, musically, great days....Frnak of Toledo.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Chanteyranger
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:13 PM

For whatever its worth, my last sentence should have read "...or had no ambitions to do so."

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Joybell
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 05:50 PM

Hey! True-Love (Greg Hildebrand) will be wanting to add his list of singers from the Boston area in the 60s. He's often wondered where many of them went.
Before he wakes up though, I'd like to mention him, because he won't. He was quite popular in a small way, I believe, before he dropped out and began wandering around the world. Joy

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:18 PM

If you will post under your name, I will conribute to your thread. Otherwise, I will NOT. Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:35 PM

I was playing the Boston circuit in the mid to late '60s. Names that come to mind include Paul McNeill, Bill Madison, Kenny Girard, Nancy Michaels, Chris Smither, Bill Staines, Paul Geremia, Paul Lolax, Ted Donlan, Rocky Rockwood, Dan Gravas, Bob White, Alan Rotman, Bill Lyons, Ewan MacVicar, John Cowles, Elliot Kennin, Bill Brown, Ray Clayton, Pam Coulihan.

If I have a chance to dig out the old Broadsides of Boston, they might jog my memory a bit more -- Tom Hall

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:46 PM

Wsa listening to Chris Smithers CS just today, curmudgeon... Paul Germinio is one heck of a fine sing writer. That song he wrote about "Rex Bob Lowenstein", the DJ who wouldn't sell out his values and played whatever he liked is a good shoyt at ClearChannel...

Yer list kinda reminded me of a couple others: Ray Wylie Hubbard & Jim Page...

Bobert

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Francy
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:50 PM

I had Paul Geremia in concert here in Toledo, Oregon two years ago and had Jim Page last August......Fine perfomances by both......Frank of Toledo

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Ferrara
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:23 PM

My sister had that "There is a Meetin' Here Tonight" album by Joe and Eddie. She had a knack for finding music. ... After she moved to Austin, she became close friends with Alan Damron. I don't think of him as "unknown" or "little known" though. He still performs in the D.C. area, at house concerts, or did until recently. And of course in Austin. Nancy, talk about songs that are so bad they're good, Alan sings my very favorite: "... On the muscle of my arm there's a red and blue tatto, saying Fort Worth, I love you!"

I heard Donal Leace at the Cellar Door and other venues in D.C. when I was an undergrad at GWU in DC.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:40 PM

Oh yes, there was another young black folk and blues singer and guitarist I heard several times at Hootenannys at the Gaslight Cafe in Greenwich Village.

I wonder whatever became of him. His name is Louis Gossett..

:-)

Jerry

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:09 PM

Rita reminded me when she brought up Austin... There's a local boy who has done purdy good since movin' down there: James McMurtry... Now, for anyone who ain't familiar with him, get so... I mean it... He is the real deal...

Bobert

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:24 PM

Saw a fellow named Dick Glass. He played a nylon guitar and had a great voice. Funny guy also. Worked with him somewhere--club gig--and never saw him again. This was in 1966(?). Anyone heard of him?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 12:13 AM

Will McLain, Michael Strange, Grant Rogers, Mike Kellen, Logan English, Robbie Basho, Jim Dawson, all people I appreciated in my time and who had all some how slipped away.

Don

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: rich-joy
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 03:57 AM

I'm still chasing info on a "Chris Couveau" of Williamsport, Pa, c.1962 - as listed in "The Coffee House Songbook" - Oak Publications, NY, 1966.

Any takers?!

Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 04:03 AM

"Will McLain, Michael Strange, Grant Rogers, Mike Kellen, Logan English, Robbie Basho, Jim Dawson, all people I appreciated in my time and who had all some how slipped away."

How 'bout the guy who wrote the above?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:40 AM

Brucie,
Oh yeah, Dick Glass. He had a semi-regular gig at a club in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn when I was in college. He put out an album called "The Well-Rounded Dick Glass," a pun on his being a bit overweight.
He wrote a pretty good song about being a folksinger always on the road. The only lines I recall are "I passed by here/ I'm going to die here..."
He was known in New York for singing "They're Laying Eggs Now." I know I saw him; I'm pretty sure it was at the Gaslight or Gerde's Fok City.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 01:58 PM

Hell, there were so many, Thom Ghent, Sue Martin(or Robbins), Justin Devereaux, Jerry Merrick, Vince Martin, who played some with Fred Neil, David Rea, Gary White, Erik Frandsen, Pat Chamberlain, the list could go on forever, if my memory was a little better. As George Carlin has been heard to say, "If you remember the '60's, you weren't really there.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Joybell
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 07:44 PM

from hildebrand:
BILL LYONS married recently. he and his wife Amy are performing as a duo around the boston area.
LOGAN ENGLISH, i was told around 1990, died after being hit by a car.
ELIOT KENIN is living in california. he wrote the fine song "you ain't done nothin if you aint been called a red" . g.h.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 08:59 PM

Marc Sullivan - American who gigged in Devon
Xavier Coudril - did the cousins gig in the late 60's
colin Scott - 12 string and dazzling stage presence
Colin Wilson - Paul downes old mate
Bill clifton and Pete Roberts

oh too many

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:48 PM

I used to slip across the river to Ramblin' Conrads in Norfolk, VA once in a while and wish I could remember the names of folk I saw there. The only one I do remember is Bob Zentz and he is not exactly unknown but not known as much as he should be. David Williamson, a college student used to perform at a coffee house I ran in Portsmouth, VA and was very good on guitar and banjo. I thought he might have gone on to some fame. I guess the 60's did not last long enough.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Auggie
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 10:04 PM

Oh Man. Freddie Neil, Paul Geremia and Will McLain all in the same thread.It can't get much better.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: yannis
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 01:16 PM

ted alevizos is still singing. lives in cambridge. has done several records of greek folk songs and two cds of Greek byzantine chants(cds on Grammy entry list of best classical albums of their years).

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scotus
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 01:31 PM

Somebody further back on this thread mentioned an English singer called Matt McGinn! Well, now - if he were still around he'd be amused. You could hardly get more Scottish.

Also mentioned back aways was 'a young Bert Jansch'. Back in the late 50s and early 60s Bert and his mentor Davy Graham were both heavily influenced by a little known (now) Edinburgh guitarist called Len Partridge. I've no idea what happened to Len - can anyone throw any light?

Jack

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:29 PM

Brian Roberts who came over to England doing a support gig for the New Lost City Ramblers 1965.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:40 PM

Dick Glass was phenomenal. Beautiful voice and he sure handled the nylon he played as well as Feliciano ever did.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:49 PM

In our first apartment(7th Ave. South and Bleeker),in the '50s,George and I hung out across the street in a small restaurant which had a singing waiter- beautiful young man who held the plates high over his head and filled the room with the music of his voice. Served you with a grin and a high note...who was he? Harry Belefonte! Not well known then- but he didn't stay that way...

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:50 PM

Len Chandler was very talented!! He could write in a folksy "Tom Paxton" style - beautifully, but also had a sophisicated "jazzy" side , too. His very interesting Columbia album was probably too musically varied for the folk audience back in 1965(?).

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Little Robyn
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 05:47 PM

In 1967 an unknown English singer arrived here on one of the visiting ships - he was a farrier and was in charge of some horses being brought out here. He had been busking in France with his friend and he taught us his friend's song - 'Streets of London'. We thought he was wonderful but he only stayed here for a short time.
His friend became well known but John Hayday remained just another obscure folkie. He later returned to NZ and gave up singing for awhile but I believe he's performing again in the Auckland area.
Robyn

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:23 PM

So many friends, so many times, so many songs, and so many years. What memories! When I first joined MC, I started asking about missing friends ... "Terry Wadsworth" for one. As the answers to my questions came in, I decided I'd rather not ask any more. But ... "THOSE WERE THE TIMES MY FRIENDS ...! Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 09:35 PM

Follow-ups on people mentioned earlier in this thread:

Allan Block still holds forth at the Old Songs Festival, where every year he takes a booth for his leather crafting, and every evening holds forth there in a jam session with whoever shows up.

Bill Vanaver and his wife Livia (nee Drapkin) are still active and around: http://www.vanavercaravan.org/index.html

And Luke Faust's daughter Helena (married for a while to Jimmy Triplett) studied the music of West Virginia when she lived there, but has since gone back to New Zealand).

--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:02 PM

I just Googled "The Well-Rounded Dick Glass" and found several copies for sale, $12-$17. It came out in 1964 on the 20th Centruy Fox label.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:06 PM

His rendition of "Green Green Rocky Road" is the absolute best I ever heard.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: iancarterb
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 01:20 AM

Curmudgeon mentioned two that woke me up. I met both Paul Geremia and Ray Clayton in Rhode Island when I sailed for US branch of the Gray Funnel Line. By happy coincidence, I worked with Ray as a CATV installer a few years later in San Francisco, briefly for both of us. Utterly lost track of him since 1971. Anyone else know of his whereabouts?
Lee Haring I met on staff at Pinewoods, and I didn't see his name in the thread. Fine banjo player and singer.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 09:10 AM

I was Billy Vanaver's den chief when he was a cub scout. I met him again when I ran the Sunday afternoon sings at the Gilded Cage in Philadelphia in the 50's and 60's. He was one of a host of talented folksinger at those sessions which included Dick Weissman (later to form The Journeymen), John Pilla (before he started working for Eric Anderson and Arlo), Benjie Aaronoff, Jerry Ricks (he's Philadelphia Jerry Ricks, now), Marshal Freedland (he, later, joined the DeCormier Singers), Saul Broudie, Harry Tufts (pride of The Denver Folklore Center) and that's just who I can remember off the top of my head. I am trying to reach as many of the old gang as I can for purposes of reunion and literature. Survivors can reach me at [e-mail]
This is a wonderful thread. We should probably include those pioneers who ushered in the folk boom by keeping the flame in the late 40's, people like Win Strake, Sam Hinton, Richard Dyer Bennet and George Britton.

                     Mike

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Severn
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 09:24 AM

Talking about Len Chandler, I stumbled into an odd 1960 vinyl curio of the times-both the album and the copy itself seeming to have a history-in a yard sale, "Beat Generation Jazz Poetry Folk Lyrics Volume 1-John Brent Len Chandler Hugh Romney at the Gaslight". It was on Musitron with no record # designated on the album cover, but side one was designated M-101 and side two was designated M-201. Recorded in Audiotronic Fidelity with "Imagination in Sound" as the company's slogan, it is personally autographed to someone named Harry from John Brent in ink and on the back cover, all mentions of the name Len Chandler were blacked out with a magic marker, for some odd reason. Liner notes were by one Felix Lupus. Produced by Jerry Galuten and Leonard Krohn in associatiion with Larry Wolf.

Chandler is described as "...a far out (in italics) folk singer who came East after creating a minor sensation in Detroit Michigan. Chandler made his mark by setting wry comments about the Beats and Squares to traditional folk melodies. The results were hilarious...."

Also on the back of the record jacket is this little boxed in item:

THE RECORD PARTY PLAN-Find out about MUSITRON's exciting new "Record Party Plan", a novel and (in italics)cost free way to quickly raise money for your club or organisation-providing them with an unusual evening's entertainment to boot. Write: Record Party, MUSITRON INC., 82 Beaver Street New York 5, New York.

Romney, of course, kept a high profile in the Hippie Era.

But my question is did any of you hepCatters survive any of this in person? I'm sure some frequented The Gaslight, but will anyone who either attended a "Record Party" or experienced a "minor sensation" in Detroit please raise your hand and maybe even elucidate on the subject a bit.

Meanwhile, if the name Len Chandler remains unknown, all the people who still enjoy picking or singing or merely listeng to "Green Green Rocky Road" owe the man.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 09:39 AM

The sixties in Toronto, Ontario had so many local folksingers that I couldn't mention them all. Jim McCarthy, Dave Wiffen, Al Cromwell, Doug Bush, Klaus Van Graft, Beverlie Salmon, Karen James, and so many others. This is a great thread as it brings back so many memories and when you try to remember some names, more memories. I had Len Chandler for a next door neighbor when he played at our club and besides being the writer of some amazing music, he was also an amazing person.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 02:05 PM

Bill and Livia were a stunning act - I only saw them twice. He could play terrific guitar and banjo and , she used to put boots on and dance - special boots like east european folk dancers wear.

I am glad to hear they are still gigging. In England many of us remember them as being quite wonderful.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 03:54 PM

I just heard that Billy Vanaver is recovering from a heart attack at his home in New England. I wish him a speedy and full recovery.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:58 PM

I've just been "introduced" to a woman I'd not before heard of but wish I'd had! Karen Dalton..apparently born in Oklahoma in 1938 and doing the Greenwich Village scene in the 60's. She didn't like recording much so there's little available out there but WOW what a wonderful and distinctive style.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 09:04 AM

Karen Dalton was great! Does anyone remember my old friend Tex Koenig?

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:36 AM

I remember Tex very much. He was a good friend and a great talent. I loved the way he called people, "sweetums".

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: KenBrock
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:47 PM

Mark Spoelstra is performing in Central California and has new CD's:
www.markspoelstra.net

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:53 PM

Spent more than a few times going to Chinese restaurants with Tex. He knew some menus by heart both in NYC and Montreal. Giant of a man with a guitar that was dwarfed by his frame and hands. Can't recall ever seeing him without sandals, except for a few times when the weather was such that a foot of snow had fallen. I miss the old guy.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 05:29 PM

Me too!

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 06:20 PM

I think of Tex often. I was talking about him with Saul Broudy and Paula Ballin just last night. Tex could eat more than any other person I have ever known. We used to meet at The Charicature after work and head down to the Chinese restuarants off Canal St.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Steve-o
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 07:52 PM

Hmmmm- how interesting to find this thread alive again, with many wonderful insights. Both of the great folk singers I originally mentioned (Steve Mann and Bill Vanaver) can be found today on their very active and alive websites. I still love and listen to them both (on vinyl) regularly.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Allan S.
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 08:38 PM

I am still trying to find out what happened to Ann Bird/Byrd Was on a record" Folksingers of Washington Square" w/ Logan English etc.
rode a motorcycle sang at the Yale Hoots. Also w/ a girl Margaret Wagner. Does any one know what became of them????

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 10:09 PM

Professor Leni Ashmore Sorensen of the College of William and Mary, and formerly of the Womenfolk, now gives lectures on the role of food in 18th and 19th century African-American culture.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 11:22 PM

One night I witnessed Tex and Sean have a go at a Chinese buffet. Tex was just eating and Sean was loading up--expecting maybe a dry spell in the 'eats' department. Astonishing. Absolutely astonishing.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 05:01 AM

I'm not surprised nobody has yet mentioned Tom Deacon, as he is or was a very little known 1960s singer indeed.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Betsy
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 10:06 AM

Marie was known as Little in the 1960's, she married Pete Smith but still calls herself Marie Little.
Great singer guitarist an'all Little known as Little 1960's Folk Singer.Still around and doing well.
Puts a different slant on the thread.

Cheers ,

Betsy .

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Historian
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 12:57 PM

back in 1968 I was teaching in Eltham at a school called Crown Woods.
there was this young folk singer there called Dave Kenningham. He was great, he sang a song called "Ride On" which became a hit over 30 years later for C Moore. I always wonder what happened to young David, and if he vere got any royalties.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 03:24 PM

how about Ken penny who as a member of a duo called the Journeymen ran the Jolly Porter folk club in Exeter, near St Davids Station.

Paul snow who run the Exmouth club.

Mike Spoons Seeley who was a strange floor singer.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,catherine yronwode
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 02:30 AM

Rolf Cahn
Jo Mapes
Mark Spoelstra
Pete Berg
Toni Brown
T.A. Talbott
Janet Smith

(Can you tell where i grew up?)

cat yronwode

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 06:05 AM

There were far too many - Some actually mad a bit of money , but so many just disappeared .

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 08:13 AM

Hi Wee Little Drummer,
You mention two names familiar to me. Paul Snow, I remember him from the West Country scene but haven't seen him in years. And Ken Penney, sad to say Ken died a few years ago from (I think) motor neurone disease. He was a grand singer,and the Jolly Porter was a great club. I had many fine nights there. Co-incidentally one of the old Jolly Porter singers, Barry Lister, has just brought out a CD on Wildgoose records. Burl.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 10:33 AM

Len Chandler played the Ann Arbor Folk Festival in 1992. He was living in Los Angeles, teaching and writing and leading songwriting workshops. Don't know about now. He wrote "Beans In Our Ears," which many people think is a real folk song.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 10:13 AM

Two more I just thought of. Bruce Farwell and Kit Snow. Both Americans and both introduced me to a: new songs and b: new guitar styles. I often wonder where these people are now.

On another note, I once had a one on one with tex in a chinese eatery and it must have been an off day for tex as I held my own pretty well.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peter T.
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 10:18 AM

Mudcat has a thread (and a remembrance) on Tex, which went up when he died, complete with eulogies and reminiscences.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Mick
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 11:08 AM

Maybe one of Mudcats best threads ever. It is wonderful that these names are set free from the imprisonment of time. I will be looking up their music for quite a while. Thanks, everybody.

Mick

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Arkie
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:25 PM

Len Chandler also did two other songs that are favorites of mine to this day, "Loving People" and "My Father's Grave".

One name I have not seen here is Jamie Brockett whose showpiece was a version of the "Titanic" or is he too well known.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 12:33 PM

California guys, Joe & Eddie.

Seamus

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 01:11 PM

Jamie Brockett. He's a good one. Not well known, except for New England in the, what, 70s? Is his "Titanic" the one that keeps referring to the sailor with 100 feet of (hemp) rope?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Arkie
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 02:39 PM

In his 13and 1/2 minute version of the Legend of the Titanic, Jamie Brockett had the opportunity to cover several subjects including hemp rope.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Betsy
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 06:47 AM

There was a great concertina player Lea Nicholson in the 60's only saw him once at Whitby festival and at the end of his marvellous set he had the nerve to finish with "I'm the Urban Spaceman ".
The audience (most of them) thought it great combining the concertina with a modern song , a bit tongue in the cheek / fun , but it didn't go down too well with the powers that be , and I THAT was that last I heard of him.
Pity really.
Cheers

Betsy.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Crane Driver
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 06:07 PM

Lea Nicholson is the man responsible for turning me into a concertina player (I name the guilty party!) He was back at Whitby in 1971, and I bought my first concertina three weeks later. The rest is history (or more likely geography, since I was all over the place)

Andrew

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Steve-o
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 07:25 PM

Note to Duke: I was Bruce Farwell's singing/playing partner in a duo that lasted from about 1985 to 1995- he was great then, and still is. Bruce is a wonderful fingerstyle player, and can sing harmony like nobody I've sung with since, and he has a great love for folk music. Our "group" was called "The Final Draught", and we played around So. California a lot- both folky songs and Irish songs. His current music partner is his wife, and they are living happily in Simi Valley, CA.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 12:26 AM

Judy Bright in Chicago had a uniquely lovely voice. Made one LP for Dot Records. Figure Judy Collins mixed with Eartha Kit. I treasure my tapes of Judy from the 60s and 70s. Lately, she is Judy Stine.

Doc Stanley. A good picker and off the wall singer. I remember his "Deep Elm Blues" fondly. Heard of his being incarcerated for something... And never heard of Doc again after that.

Tim Dawe---made an LP in the late 60s---was produced by Frank Zappa. Now in California last I heard.

Johnny Long---a lanky blues guy white kid in the early 70s Chicago scene. Married to Becca---but that dissolved. Just today I found a new album by a JOHN LONG reviewed in Sing Out magazine. Might be the same fellow----30 years further on down the road.

Dodi Kallick in Chicago 40 years back. She's the mom of bluegrasser Kathy Kallick. Both have genetic traits to their phrasing that give each away as being related to the other.

Martha Burns, a solo Old-Timey singer in Chicago circa 1972 with that biting vocal style that made you definitely remember her, and wonder where she'd gone, and why you haven't heard more of her in this era of Alice Girrard and Laurel Bliss and Ginny Hawker...

Jerry Rau---a Minnesota minstrel --- the epitome of what a road songster is in my mind. A real folksinger. I spent some wonderful nights listening to Jerry.

Mark Silber----Perry Letterman----Mark Dorinson---Mike Slawson----Roger Luzwick----Stu "Darsono" Ramsey----Bob Hoban---Adam Cochran...

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 05:37 AM

I'd like to put in a little reminder of the late John Dunkerley who played guitar, banjo and doubled on keyboards occasionally with the Ian Campbell Group. As I remember he also did gigs with Geoff Bodenham of 1812.

John was a truly great accompanist. I used to love his plaintive banjo on The Unquiet Grave, and very neat picking on Peggy Gordon.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Shirtlifter
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 05:26 AM

I saw a great folk singer at Les Cousins in the late sixties "Roy Parker" he was brilliant and had a great rapport with the audience. He done a long song called "I hate the night". I've searched and searched all my life and never found anything by him although he did mention that he had records out?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 08:33 AM

Mike Miller, Billy Vanaver's heart attack was back in March, and it appears he's back gigging.

Somebody mentioned Jackie Washington. He's still performing and recording with Scarlett, Washington & Whitely

As for me, the 60's were Smothers Brothers, Pete Seeger, PP&M, and, "No, you can't go to Woodstock."

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 09:07 AM

There was also an American Jackie Washington who did more folk than OUR beloved Jackie Washington. Of course I really don't want to get into what is folk and what is not!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 09:49 AM

There was a Geordie lad a trainee teacher I believe, who used to frequent the Hanging Lamp in Richmond-upon-Thames in the late 60s His name was Frank McSomething, I can't remember his full name, but he was a good guitarist and I thought he'd go far.
Giok

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 12:31 PM

Duke, who was the other Jackie Washington? I thought there was one!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 12:37 PM

Never mind... bad brain day. (They're BOTH on that last page I linked to.)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 11:58 PM

Don't think anyone's mentioned Dwain Story, writer of Wendigo (of which there's a free mp3 available here).

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 12:41 AM

Lea Nicholson did a great version of All For Me Grog, if I remember rightly.

Seamus

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: lamarca
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 06:17 PM

Jackson C. Frank - I only knew of him from his cut "Blues Run the Game" on the original Electric Muse compilation, a song I loved. A couple of years ago, his only LP was re-issued on CD and I bought it - it's wonderful stuff.

Frank lived and performed in the London scene of the mid-sixties, associating with Paul Simon (who produced his first LP), Bert Jansch, Al Stewart, etc. He supposedly pushed Sandy Denney to give up her day job as a nurse and encouraged her to make music a full-time job.

Sadly, his album flopped in the States, and he returned to the US, where he wound up homeless and mentally and physically ill. A curious fan managed to track him down, and helped him to get some state aid and some belated royalty checks. Frank died in 1999, at the age of 56.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Crane Driver
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 06:21 PM

Of course, when I come to think of it, I was a little-known folk singer in the 1960s myself - and I'm STILL a little-known folk singer.

Andrew

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 08:48 AM

'Little known 1960's Folk Singers' - a tautology, surely? (That is you, isn't it, Shirley?)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: moongoddess
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 08:53 AM

Lucky me, I still get to see Paul Geremia in Newport at Billy Goode's every once in a while when he is in town and not touring.
    What about Bonnie Dobson who sang "My Mother Chose My Husband", or is she too well known for this thread?
    Of course another great singer /group from the 60's is Jim McGrath and the Reprobates. Jim still lives in the Newport area and is still playing at Billy Goode's with various former Reprobates. He still has that charisma that can suck you right in to any song he is singing.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 12:39 PM

Back in 1968, I shaved off my beard because I had forgotten what I looked like without it. When I looked in the mirror, I paniced and hid out at Dodi Kallick's in Evanston until there was enough darkness on my face to distract from the extra chins.
I shared the Philadelphia Folk Festival programming duties with Paula Ballan, that year, and Bruce Farwell was a frequent guest at her NYC walkup but, then again, who wasn't. The list of 60's folksingers who had keys for Paula's would make a worthy addition to this thread, Ray Frank, Saul Broudy, Steve Goodman, Steve Mandel, Joe Heany, Carolyn Hester, Roger Sprung and me, just to name too few.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: DannyC
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 09:43 PM

Moongoddess:

I am glad to hear that The Reprobates are still at it. I found a good few nights of song with them - nothing polite mid ya - scurrying from a gig to get locked into Ed Kane's Dockside Bar (Balto.) before the shades went down tight and the iron latch thunked into place.

We'd sing past dawn - lived like a troupe of immortals until the cruel sun would crack over us like a watchman's baton.   I hated that life-sapping orb...

I think of them often... especially when I am out singing somewhere.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 11:37 PM

Fran McKendree, Buddy Bohn,Bob Lind, Blair Hull and Jim Roche, Eric Frandsen, Michael Strange, Borden Klotweiller, Poor Howard Stith.

The list is endless.

Don

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 12:47 AM

Wow, Don - Bob Lind.
The Elusive Butterfly man himself.
Good one!

Seamus

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: pdq
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 09:48 PM

Great thread. Let's keep it going.

Actually, many people who sang in folk clubs in the sixties became famous, just not recognized as folksingers. The 'renagade picker' Steve Young is one, the lady who saved County Music, Emmylou Harris, is another. Even a member of the Pre-fab Four, Peter Tork. All sat on that lonely bar stool in a Greenwich Village folk club, guitar in hand, and learned to connect with an audience.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 10:10 PM

Peter often worked at The Four Winds, one of the better basket houses in the Village. He was a good musician and very nice guy.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 11:10 PM

Hey, I remember The Four Winds. I played there a couple times. It was around the corner from The Caricature, wher I played bridge in the back room. I used to go down there after a session at Assosiated Recording on 6th Ave. I would meet Tex there and we would go for Chinese. Some of the others in that crowd were Carol Hunter, Mark Green and John Stauber who was Leon Bibb's accompanist in the late 50's.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 09:14 AM

I `ad that Alex Campbell in my cab once. I says "Where to, Alex?"
`e says "The Lord Portman club". I says "Cor blimey, that`s the worst club in the world" `e says "`ell yeah, I know"
What am I like??

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 03:02 PM

I saw Peter Tork several times in the 1980's at The Golem, a folk club in Montreal.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:48 PM

Serrafyn Mork. Went by Serrafyn only. I believe he died prematurely. Not sure of me spelling either. Good voice. Memorable name.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Marc S. Silber
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 10:41 PM

hello and it is a nice website you have. I owned the music shop called FRETTED INSTRUMENTS in Greenwich Village,NY City, from 1963-67 and knew many of these lesser known performers. I also traveled a great deal from 1960 until the mid 1980s and met many as I was also in the U.K., France, and North Africa.

I was in a group with Artie Traum in 1961 in Boulder, called THE NEW YORK PUBLIC LIBRARY, and later with Artie and his brother Happy Traum and Eric Kaz(and others) called the Children of Paradise. I knew Mark Spoelstra, Steve Mann, Fred Weisz (later of Goose Creek Symphony, who worked for me at Fretted Instr.), Karen Dalton (& Richard ???, her partner), Judy Roderick, Harry Tuft, Peter Stampfel, Steve "Richmond" Talbot, Peter Berg, Paul Siebel, Rick Turner, Andy Cohen, Charlie Chin, Jay Unger, well, I could list a hundred who never made it to the real big time, and I knew them all. When I have time I will send more names in and maybe talk of them a little.

I am currently still dealing in instruments, and singing and playing
in Berkeley, California. I have 3 CDs, and my website is www.marcsilbermusic.com. There is a lot of gossip on my website also.

The greatest guitarists I heard in those days were Perry Lederman and Bruce Langehorn, both from New York City.

peace without bombs, marc s. silber

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,thurg
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:43 PM

'Way back in '04 (up the thread), a couple of people mentioned Bruce Murdoch, of Montreal. Ten-fifteen years ago, I was principal of a small school in a small Cree community in northern Alberta, and not infrequently mail addressed to one Bruce Murdoch would come across my desk. He seemed to have been a popular personage in the community, had taught someone to play guitar, had sent someone a postcard, etc. A few years later, I met the man himself at an exam-marking fest in Edmonton. Told me he had been through heart surgery not too long before. As we chatted, it emerged that he been a full-time musician in an earlier life. Never got to hear him perform though!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 01:47 AM

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 04:50 PM

Nice to hear the name Eric Kaz after all these years. He was in the Shaky Deal Jug Band with a bunch of my friends: Gary Lapow, Richard Blaustein, Chuck Mitman, Jay Small. Brings back memories, yes indeed.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 06:55 PM

Marc S. Silber- I enjoyed your bit of real Village history; I'm sure I was in and out of, "Fretted Instruments" many times in those days, and knew most of those you named. Greenwich Village was an innocent place then, comparitively- I loved all the little shops; my husband bought my wedding ring in one of them, "Unusual Wedding Rings," and I got measured for leather sandals at Alan Block's store- they have lasted all my life! Did you know Peter Carbone, who mended instruments, and Susan Reed's place, not far away? Thanks for the memories! Jean Ritchie, one of the little-known folksingers of the sixties.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: toadfrog
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 09:59 PM

In the very early 1960's there was a wonderful blues musician up in Portland named Mike Russo.    There are a couple mentions on Mudcat, but I have forgotten how to find and copy links. I finally located him 4-5 years ago; he had reminscences of playing with Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee. Very unassuming guy with no ambition except to play music, and he no longer plays in public. He made a recording for Arhoolie which is well worth hearing, particularly piano blues. He also played 12-string guitar after Lead Belly--very well, but not so good as the original.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Sep 06 - 10:06 PM

Toadfrog ... I'm also a huge Mike Russo fan. Early on, I caught a concert that he did with Jim Brentano (sp?). He always reminded me, in appearance, of Earnie Kovaks. What a great musician he is. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mary
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 02:29 AM

Well hi Tom Hall, I remember you and most of the people you wrote about. They were all my friends. You forgot Drew Payton. I've just been in toudch with Paul McNeil who has a new website and is living in the Phillipines. I also hear from Kenny Girard and apparently he's still playing. Chris Smither is too. Alan Rotman died several years ago of cancer but I got to see him and say goodbye. I remember the open mic night at the Sword and the Stone when a kid named Livingston Taylor sang a bunch of songs written by his brother and we all wondered who his brother was. We found out his name was James. There was the Turks Head and the Riverside Cafeteria. What a time.
Peace,
Mary F., the tall skinny blonds who used to take photographs.
I still have them.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 06:25 AM

Hi Mary Elizabeth ! How about joining Mudcat so that I can PM you? And if you pop back in here again, please post the URL for Paul's website -- Tom

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 09:55 AM

GUEST thurg

Bruce is a member here and posts under the name Peace (see 6 posts up). If you become a member you can PM him and get reacquainted.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 04:52 PM

If Jean Ritchie is a little known folksinger, I'm a teapot. She was the sound of mountain music at every important festival. My fondest memories of Fox Hollow are falling asleep while she sang outside my tent. In fact, when Sara Grey asked me if I had caught her (Sara's) performance, I said, "No, I heard it last night."

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,thurg
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 05:15 PM

"If Jean Ritchie is a little known folksinger, I'm a teapot."

Hmmm - are you short and stout?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 05:33 PM

Almost by definition ALL folksingers are little known folksingers!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,thurg
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 05:46 PM

bodad - thanks for the head's-up -just noticed it -

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Allan S.
Date: 14 Sep 06 - 07:01 PM

Dont forget Lori Holland She is still around We saw her at the festival Mystic sea port about 7-8 years ago   Also Anne Byrd and Margaret Wagner in the Village and the Yale hoots

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 12:32 AM

Guest Mary, which Paul McNeill are you in reference to?

Don

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 01:13 AM

Yes, Guest thurg, I am short and stout and thanks a lot for reminding me.

             Mike

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,thurg
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 01:37 AM

Sorry, Mike; I was just trying to determine the likelihood of your actually being a teapot - and I have to say it is starting to seem a distinct possibility. But really there's no shame in that; teapots are very useful items used by thousands if not hundreds of people every day. Stiff upper lip and all that, old boy!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 10:19 AM

That's OK, thurg, I have gotten used to the strain of tea pottery. I would prefer a more coffeeeish identity but that is a position that must be urned. There are, however, advantages that all tea potnicks share. Samovar best friends (like Earl "Grey" Scruggs) play brew grass banjo.
I'll just say soolong for now.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 10:25 AM

"I'll just say soolong for now."

That has got to be the worst pun this year. Good one, Mike.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 10:44 AM

Mary and Tom are talking about the American Paul McNeill, who would have been playing in the Boston coffeehouses. Met him a few times in the '80s. He did a funny song about cockroaches and had recently (when I'd met him) written an incredibly beautiful song - something about returning home and 'the path to your door'. It probably seems more beautiful because I heard it a couple of times, then never again.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,oldhippie
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 06:24 PM

How about Molly Scott, Oriel Smith, Cynthia Gooding, Carolyn McDade, Julie Felix, Ric Masten.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 06:47 PM

I tried never to miss Gerry Lockran when he played locally. I'm not sure I would describe him as little known. Great picker and singer - and fantastic personality. There is a website you can look his work up on.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 15 Sep 06 - 10:51 PM

My dim memory says that we lost Cynthia Gooding a while ago? Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: eddie1
Date: 16 Sep 06 - 07:48 AM

Scotus
You were asking about Len Partridge. He's alive and well and living at the same address in Edinburgh!
Eddie

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Dotty LeMieux
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 07:52 PM

Hi there,

I used to go to the Sword in the Stone too in the 60's and knew a lot of these people. Any one know how to reach Kenny Girard?

Thanks.

Dotty

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 07:58 PM

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:h9HCQgGCLGUJ:www.biznetmall.com/kennyg/index.html+%22Kenny+Girard%22&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: JedMarum
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 08:04 PM

Jaime Brockett
Norman Schell

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 08:09 PM

Ahhhh YES! Bonny Dobson. Anyone know of her where-abouts? Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: oldhippie
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 08:28 PM

Found this at: taco.com/roots/dobsoninterview.html

Interview conducted with Bonnie Dobson, White House Hotel, London England, 4/13/93.

Bonnie Dobson is best know as the author of the song "Morning Dew". Bonnie was born and raised in Toronto Canada where she embarked on a career in music while studying at the University there. She moved to England in 1969 where she now makes her home. Bonnie only performs in public on an occasional basis but still enjoys singing and playing guitar. Bonnie is currently the head administrator for the Philosophy Department at the Berwick College of the University Of London.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 08:48 PM

Guest:Dottie -- I was a regular at the Sword and Stone, and I do have contact info for kenny and Bill Madison amd Paul macNeil and rocky Rockwood and others. Become a Mudcat member and you can PM me for details. Can't put a face to your name, but I might with a little more information -- Tom hall

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 09:53 PM

Greeting:

I used to play the Four Winds in Greenwich Village pretty regularly, the last time being around 1969. Does that make me a little known 1960's folk singer?

At one time some of the basket houses, including the Four Winds, had a "no singing" policy because of some stupid NYC rule requiring any place with singing to have a cabaret license issued by the Police Department. In reality, performers sang there all the time. The house rigged up a buzzer system and had someone act as lookout on the street just outside the front door. His main job was to get people to come in, but he also was there to press a button if he saw a policeman coming. When you heard the buzzer sound, you immediately stopped singing until the lookout stuck his head inside and gave you the all clear. The venue did not need a cabaret license if all it had was "incidental music," which really meant background music. As far as the NYPD was concerned, acoustic guitar or banjo music without singing met the definition.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: elfcape
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 12:18 AM

So, Jean, what happened to Susan Reed? I remember her from the early 50s when I was a little girl in Philly and she came to some kids' thing at the YWCA in center city and captured my attention with songs.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Ian
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 05:47 AM

In view of the comment All folksingers are little known.
Would it be possible to set up a Thread as a Hall of Fame where anyone can list the names of performers, Non or professional could be displayed and recognised for their contribution to our music.

I have visited numerous clubs/singarounds and heard some fantastic performances also some pretty dire ones but even the worse ones should receive some acolade as it was one such over confident tuneless singer that inspired me to learn and perform songs.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 09:34 AM

Anyone remember the Low Down Dirty Shames from Toronto? Jim McCarthy, Carol Robertson, Chick Roberts and Amos Garrett. They were great on their own and as a group, they were fantastic.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:28 AM

Steve,
Were you there at the 4 Winds in the winter of '67 when the city was cracking down on the basket houses? We came up with the idea of the lip-sync coffehouse(none of us were good enough instrumentalists at the time to be able to get away with a whole set without singing)?

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 10:33 AM

Susan Reed still has an antiques store and lives in Nyack and still sings out, I'm told, with a shape note group, and on her own at times, appeared on Jean's 'None But One' lp as part of the shape note singers on one track

Serrafyn was known (or rather called himself) the Last Minstrel, dressed in minstrelsy garb, played the lute, I believe, recorded one album (which I have) and I believe he died quite young in a car accident.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 04:38 PM

Karen Dalton
The York County Boys
Malka & Yoso
David Rea (sp?)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 07:46 PM

Mark et al.,

Yes, I must have been at the Four Winds in New York during the winter of 1967. It was one of the few remaining basket houses at the time. Did it later become the Samurai, or were both the Four Winds and the Samurai on the same block? I can't recall. I can't even remember if it was on West 4th or West 3rd, but I do remember that it was just east of Sixth Avenue.

As I said, we would sing at the Four Winds until the lookout warned us to stop.

I was just 20 in 1967, and the big names of the folk revival hit Greenwich Village much earlier in the decade, and many had moved on by then. I first started hanging out in the Village in 1964 when I was 17. Fred Neil was still around, and so was David Cohen (David Blue). Dave Van Ronk was everywhere, of course. Tom Paxton lived over on Morton Street, and he was pretty much a superstar. So was Phil Ochs, who lived on Prince Street, just south of the Village. Janis Fink, not yet Janis Ian, was younger than me, and I first recall hearing her around 1965. I do remember that Peter Tork appeared pretty regularly at the Night Owl Cafe maybe even a couple of years earlier. But the Night Owl was definitely not a basket house. Other people I heard at the Night Owl included Tim Hardin and John Sebastian.

However, those were not the people I hung out with. My "crew" at te time included Peter Greenberg (later a studio guitarist), Adam Kreiswirth (now a bluegrass musician in Florida), Grant Weisbrot (bluegrass mandolinist, moved to New Orleans, died of a heart attack a few years ago), Bob Lusk (Celtic trad musician, now living in Kingston, NY), Bob Malenky (blues guitarist, still in NYC), Peter Debin (guitarist and folk dancer, later moved to Massachusetts and died of a stroke), and Gene Tambour (bluegrass musician, used an elastic bad guitar capo as a pony tail clip, still in NYC).

But Greenwich Village was not the only folk scene in New York City in the 1960s. There were Sis Cunningham and Gordon Friesen who ran Broadside from their apartment on the Upper West Side, and there was also the Interlude Cafe in Kew Gardens, Queens, where Michael Cooney and Pat Sky were among the regulars. More on that some other time.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: oldhippie
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 09:03 PM

Anybody also remember Jacqueline (Steiner) Sharpe (co-writer of "MTA")?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:09 PM

Steve Mann, you say? Mark Ross? Marc Silber? Yeah, I knew those mugs. Got the goods on 'em too. All sortsa salacious stuff. They're paying me FANTASTIC sums just to keep my mouth shut, but will I...?   --Erik Frandsen,
               Summer Soldier and Sunshine Patriot,
               Emir of Mazhnoonistan, pro tem.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: elfcape
Date: 05 Jan 07 - 11:36 PM

re Perry Lederman

Here's a moderately decent summary

http://www.elijahwald.com/bluarch.html

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 12:57 AM

I was just across the street at the Minetta Tavern having my very first drink of the new year with Jesus Perez (one of the great percussionists, currently playing at the Cafe Wha?, which is still a going concern here in the heart of quaint old Greenwich Village) when "Bluebird" by Buffalo Springfield came on the satellite radio...I think it was the Dead Hippie Channel...and, of course, as you all know, the banjo player was Charlie Chin. Now that's a blast from the past, ain't it? I first met Charlie at the Four Winds, of blessed memory, in 1963 or 4 when he was playing with the Hunker Hill String Band, the other two members of which were Ted March(bein) and Jay Unger. Ah, those were the days when a cup of coffee cost a dollar and a ride on the subway was fifteen cents...Paul Siebel asking aloud of nobody and everybody: "How will we be able to survive, now that the price of a slice of pizza has gone up to TWENTY-FIVE CENTS??!!
    Some years ago Charlie married a very nice Japanese girl. They live somewhere in the Bay Area. He turned up a little recently narrating a PBS piece on San Francisco's Chinatown. I went to their wedding reception. It was an absolute Scream listening to each of them explaining to the new in-laws why he or she was not a barbarian.
    Does anybody remember Nick Parry-Jones, an Englishman, who played guitar and sang in the mid-sixties? I met him in Flagstaff, Arizona, Memorial Day weekend, 1966, right after I got out of jail. On my way to San Francisco, I was. That's another story...more later.   -EF

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:58 AM

In 1970 I went to a concert at The University Methodist Church in Syracuse, NY and saw Pat Sky and Joanie Mitchell on the same bill. It cost $2.00 for general admission. Across town at the War Memorial was Judy Collins and Arlo Guthrie, It cost $4.50 for the cheap seats.

I don't miss Joanie but I sure do Pat Sky.

I believe that Pat Sky had a guitar player with him named "Blind Erik Flatpick."

Four years later Erik Frandsen played at a coffee house I was helping to run at Auburn Community College in Auburn, NY. I remember him as being a fine guitarist and singer. Notably doing the first rendition of "Arthur McBride" I ever heard. And a song I remember as "Drowning In Beer".

Don

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:09 AM

It is astonishing to read a post from someone, claiming to be Erik Frandsen. Everyone knows that Erik Frandsen is a fictitious character invented by Steve Mandel and Bob Yellin as a convenient beard and scapegoat but, as the reporter in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Vallance" said, "When the legend becomes fsct, print the legend." NYC, in the 60's, was a hotbed of urban legends and conspiracy theories. Dave VanRonk, who was once ousted from a Trotskyite splinter group for unorthodox views, suggested, half seriously, that JFK was killed by an impatient Ari Onasis.

                   Mike

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frandsen
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:21 AM

You mean Dave "Snaker" Ray, Dave "Maverick Child" Rae, or Dave "Missing Keys" Ray? -EF

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 07:45 AM

Another greeting:

Let me get back to the "Outer Boroughs" folk scene in New York City during the 1960s. I know there was stuff happening around Brooklyn College. Joe Elias, for example, was active back then, and he still is, as leader of the Joe Elias Ladino Ensemble. There was also stuff happening in the Bronx. That's when NYU still had what it called its Uptown Campus, now the site of Bronx Community College, and there were some coffee houses scattered about. The Uptown Coffee House, still in existence, may have its roots going back to that era, but I'm not sure.

I don't know much about what, if anything, was happening on Staten Island, but I do know there was quite a folk scene flourishing out in Queens. It was centered on a coffee house called the Interlude, which was owned by a fellow namd Max Heilbronner. He had a partner named Dave, but whose last name I don't recall. The Interlude was located in the corner of a row of storefronts just off the Long Island Railroad station plaza in Kew Gardens, Queens. That's the very spot where Kitty Geovese was murdered in 1964, while at least 38 people saw or heard what was happening, but did nothing.

The Kitty Genovese incident inspired the opening stanza of Phil Ochs' Small Circle of Friends: "Look outside the window, there's a woman being grabbed, he's dragged her to the bushes, and now she's being stabbed..." Phil appeared at the Interlude, as did many of the Greenwich Village folkies (Dave Van Ronk, the Holy Modal Rounders, Eric Weissberg & Marshall Brickman, etc.), but the place also had its own collection of locals. Chief among them, for a while, was Michael Cooney. He came from out-of-town, but chose to live in Queens rather than Manhattan. Kitty Genovese had lived in one of the apartments above the row of stores, and Michael Cooney lived in another of those apartments, possibly in the same building.

Another Interlude regular was a singer-songwriter named Al Kuda, who called himself Al Casey for a while but started working under the name Al Cooper when he landed a gig playing organ for Bob Dylan. Kuda/Casey/Cooper later became a member of Blood, Sweat, and Tears. Among the others were Bob Zaidman (blues, ragtime, and country guitarist), John Kalish (banjo picker), Kent Michaels (poet), George Hirsch (blues guitarist). Another was Pat Sky, whenever he was in town, but he divided his time between Queens and the Village. Interlude waitress Lucy Brown appears in a photo on the back cover of one of Pat Sky's LPs.

There were other places in Queens as well, including a coffee house on Metropolitan Avenue in Forest Hills (maybe called the Metropole?) and another for a very short time on 37th Avenue in Jackson Heights, but those were mostly places to play gigs and go home. The Interlude was the place to hang out.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:42 AM

Joe Elias, of golden voice and flowing mustache, lives in the states of semi-retirement and New Jersey. He and Judy live in a lovely developement, wherein dwells another still active survivor from the 60's, Hal Wylie. Hal was, for many years, the lead vocalist for Roger Sprung's Progressive Bluegrassers. Joe and Hal still attend sessions in Philly so, to us, they are as active as ever and we're happy to have them.
Many of our local 60's stars are scattered or gone but I remember them all. Dick Weisman is out west, as is Harry Tufts and Benjy Aaronoff. Jerry Ricks is in Mississippi, Raun McKinnan is in L.A., Michael Kaz is in St.Paul, Saul Broudy is on the road most of the time. The rest of us (Tossi Aaron, George Britton, Jackie Pack, Joe Aaronson et al) stayed close to home and folksang for our suppers all these years. Fame is fleeting, parnessah is permanent.

                               Mike

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 10:47 AM

One of the loveliest and most talented singers I saw in the late 1960s was Joanne Kelly.She was a brilliant and beautiful blues singer and guitarist and sadly died about 12 years ago.Much missed.I saw her at the Adelpi folk club in Swansea.
ifor

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: DebC
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:06 AM

Still wondering about June Bugg whose LP "Hootenany Folk Festival" on Palace Records was the recording that started it all for me.

Any info? I've asked over the years, but no one seems to know...

Deb Cowan

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 11:59 AM

Mike,

Joe Elias and his son Danny just performed at the Eisteddfod Festival of Traditional Music in Jackson Heights, Queens, New York, this past November. Other recent Eisteddfod performers from those old days included Jeff Davis, John Cohen, Heather Wood (last surviving member of the Young Tradition), Andy Cohen, Mike Agranoff, Jerry Epstein, and Alan Friend.

See, Queens still is a center of a vibrant folk scene in New York City, much of it now centered on the Renaissance Charter School in Jackson Heights. In fact, there's a picture of me performing with Pete Seeger in a children's concert at the Renaissance Charter School on my website. Click here; then scroll to bottom of web page.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:15 PM

Being too young to have heard any of the performers in this thread(he he not often I can say that nowadays)
I have two questions.
The first is silly but would there be any cds with groups of these old time greats available and the second even sillier
What is meant by playing house parties and house musician etc
Sorry but in Uk and really dont understand those references.
Lovely thread though keep it going please.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Abby Sale
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 01:19 PM

Perhaps "Little known" can be defined as whether allmusic.com has any (or more than one line) on the person. Many mentioned above were well-known locally - some as local "favorite sons" for decades. But never left home. Most started that way, I guess. I could easily name a dozen good singers/singer-songwriters well-known on the Florida circuit but unknown outside Florida. Or even outside Orlando.

Mike Miller: I'm pleased you mention Joe Aaronson at last - you didn't earlier. He had a huge effect on "spreading the gospel" in the 60's. I'm glad he continued. You don't mention me, though. That's ok. I wasn't even known downtown - just on campus!

Peace: (et al)
"His rendition of 'Green Green Rocky Road' is the absolute best I ever heard." You mean Chandler? Still alive, I believe. Born 1935. One of the few good things I have to say about _Rise Up Singing_ is that they give proper credit to this song. To Chandler, yes, but he was fairly well-known. Thing is, also to beat poet Bob Kaufman. They actually collected it together from street kids in New Orleans. Len sang it and taught it directly to Van Ronk. That created the East coast bluesy veresion. Chandler went west and taught it to a fine little-known San Francisco singer named Tom something. That created the softer West coast version.

Speaking of San Francisco favorite singers. I've been trying since '59 (you know, the 60's had to get started somewhere - it was in the 50's. Many of them learned from 40's singers. And so on...)
to track down the favorite San Francisco singer. He was actually in the Union and wouldn't take less than scale. The local Guthrie - or Suffet. Any help appreciated.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 02:27 PM

"His rendition of 'Green Green Rocky Road' is the absolute best I ever heard."

I think would have been Dick Glass that I referred to with that remark, Abby.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Windshield washing wino from the Lower East
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 03:35 PM

You mean Dave "Snaker" Ray, Dave "Maverick Child" Rae, or Dave "Missing Keys" Ray? -EF

The "Maverick Child" guy was David Rea.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 04:31 PM

Dear Abby: Could your missing San Francisco singer have been Dino Valenti? Very talented cat, great performer, carried around a psychic neon sign that said "Arrest Me" to any cop who say it? Wrote that "...c'mon people, smile on your brother" thing and sold it for $50 bail money? That guy?
   Dear W.W.Wino: sorry 'bout the spelling.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 05:14 PM

Abby ... Dave Spence? Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Windshield washing wino from the Lower East
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 05:36 PM

Yay yay ooby aba do bop

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: pdq
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 07:53 PM

San Francisco's favorite folksinger from the 50s was probably Stan Wilson, who proved that the Hungry i could book folk acts and still sell a drink or two.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 06 Jan 07 - 09:11 PM

Once upon a time, there were dozens and dozens of folk clubs in the Phila, area, alone. Every college had its own coffeehouse and its own concert area. Penn had The Little Greenwich, Temple had The Critics and Scholars The Museum School had Dirty Frank's. Coffehouses ringed Rittenhouse Square and every one of them presented Folk. I worked every weekend, so did Billy and Benjy and Saul and Jackie and Tossi and a half dozen others who drifted away from music to persue pelf and security. Some went on the road. Dick Weisman joined The Journeymen, Marshal Freedland joined The Robert DiCourmier Singers, Billy started his Caravan, Saul met Bruce Phillips and Gordon Bok came into his trust fund, bought a boat and God, only, knows what ever happened to him.

               Mike

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 09:12 AM

It occurs to me that we have neglected many important 60's folksingers whose area of fame and expertise was esoteric. Ella Jenkins was the last word in children's songs. Her work with rhythem instruments has never been equaled and her recordings can be found in thousands of schools and libraries.
Ruth Rubin was the folk authority in the Jewish music genre as, in a more commercial way, was Martha Schlamme. Their albums were major sellers and they played the most prestigious concert venues.
Every folk festival, in the 60's, featured music from the British Isles and the most popular performers were Norman Kennedy, Louie Killen and Joe Heany.
Popular American eclectic performers included Guy Carawan, Gil Turner, Jo Mapes and the ever lovely Bonnie Dobson (sigh).

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 09:45 AM

My brother in law Eddie Gair, he starred alongside Rab Noakes, the MacCalmans, Matt McGinn at the first Arran Folk festival in 1971.

Ok I know that isn't the 1960's however he was around at that time in folk clubs

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: maeve
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 05:47 PM

Someone up the thread asked about Chris Smither, who is happily married and doing well. Check on his long list of inspired albums to catch up with him:
http://www.chrissmither.com/index.html

Another friend, Gordon Bok, is still crafting elegant and lovely music, singing, carving, and living a happily married life in Maine. Take a look here:
http://gordonbok.com/

maeve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Stewie
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 06:18 PM

Alice Stuart, who featured on a fine album on the Arhoolie label back in the early 60s, is still going strong. I bought her 'Can't find no heaven' album recently and was mightily impressed - lovely renditions of 'Turn your money green', 'Wild Bill Jones' and others. She has a website: Alice Stuart.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: maeve
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 06:29 PM

Around 1968 in Durham, NH, my fifth grade teacher would tune the school television to an educational program (a new concept in my minimal tv viewing experience). A thin young man with a guitar sang traditional songs and I think he was on Old Ironsides in Boston Harbor. Who was it? Bill Bunyon has been suggested, but I'd love to have a confirmed identification. That was the best part of fifth grade, and helped launch my own interest in singing the old songs. Anyone else remember?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:00 PM

Peter and Isabelle Gardiner. They had great voices and played lovely songs.

Erik Darling. Much more of an influence on the 60's folk scene then was acknowledged.

Glen Yarborough.

Sam Eskin. (collector/performer)

Terry Gilkyson, Rich Dehr and Frank Miller (Easy Riders from LA)

No one has mentioned Sam Hinton or Bess Hawes although they predate the 60's.

Leon Bibb (now his son Erik)

Brock Peters. (the actor)

Theodore Bikel. (pretty well-known though...actor/singer)

Brother John Sellers (gospel/blues singer)

Anita Shear (international and flamenco)

Bob Gibson

Paul Clayton

Alan Mills from Canada
and the great fiddler Ti Jean Carignan.

Shoshanna Damari (Yemenite legend)

Oranim Zabar (Guela Gill)

Big Joe Williams

Arvella Gray

Tom Paley (influential in New York folk circles)

Micheal Saul (one of the best clawhammer players around)

Memphis Slim (blues piano legend)

Harry and Jeannie West (Appalachian/country) Harry in N.C. now.

Ray Boguslav (New York area)

Fleming Brown (premiere banjo influence/notabley Stephen Wade)

Billy Faier ( a creative an innovative 5-string banjo player)

John Stauber (worked with Belafonte, classical and folk guitar)

Dick Rosmini (prolific guitar picker)

Woody Wachtel (o-t banjo picker player, new york area)

Tony and Irene Saletan from Boston (Irene and Ellen...Kassoy Sisters)

Scott MacKenzie

Hoyt Axton

Frank Robinson (banjo player from San Francisco who did folk concerts with Rolf Cahn and Jo Mapes) prior to 60's

David Cohen (great guitarist from LA)

Dave Lindley (could play anything well)

Ed McCurdy (singer/songwriter performer)

The Gateway Singers (from San Francisco...Hungry i)

Pat Foster ( a little-known singer but influential to those who knew him)

Doc Hopkins (o-t player from Chicago)

Bob Atcher (like Gene Autry from Chicago)

Spanky MacFarlane (fame for a short period with Spanky and Our Gang)

How about Jean Ritchie's family...Edna Ritchie

Margaret MacArthur (lovely folklorist/singer from New England)

Before 60's Richard Dyer-Bennett who no one seems to know about today.

William Clausen (in the Dyer-Bennett tradition..excellent singer/guitarist)

Mary O'Hara (one of the first of the harp playing Celtic singers)

Bob Carey (with the Tarriers..not mentioned with Alan Arkin and Erik Darling)

Jerry Yester and the Modern Folk Quartet

Micheal Janusz who hardly anybody knows about but one of the great international singing performers..LA...Ash Grove

Pete Feldmann from Santa Barbara (bluegrass mandolin)

Greenbriar Boys (w. Ralph Rinzler)

Ethel Raim (Pennywhistlers)

Joyce James (Womenfolk)

Art Rosenbaum (0-T banjo picker from Athens, GA)

Mike Bloomfield (blues guitarist Chicago)

Oscar Brand (but he is more well-known)



There's more that I might think of later.

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:13 PM

More:

Alex Corner (English blues player)

John Hammond Jr. (although he gets around)

John Cohen (w. Mike Seeger and the N.L.C.R)

Blind Blake from the Bahamas

Manse Lipscomb (traditional blues picker)

Roger Sprung (influential bluegrass banjo player in New York)

Tim Holt (LA area)

Tim Buckley (same)

Almeda Riddle (not too known Appalachian singer traditional)

Horton Barker (same...recorded by Sandy Paton)

Judy Henske (married to Craig Doerge..great pianist) (Whiskey Hill Singers)

Jesse Fuller (African-American traditional folk singer from San Francisco)

K.C. Douglas (blues musician from S.F. area)

(I was privileged to cross paths with most of the aforementioned folks)

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 07:40 PM

Mike Cooper and Derek Hall - residents at the Shades Coffee House Reading (now an Indian Restaurant) circa 1965

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 08:14 PM

I'm not for sure if this is little known or now mostly forgotten singers, but here goes:
Marais & Miranda - mostly So. African songs of the Boers.
Bob Grossman - Recorded a splendid album at Cosmo Alley in Hollywood.
Ron & Nama
The Goldcoast Singers
Martha Schlamme - performed w/ Frank Hamilton at '59 Newpor
Paul Clayton
Casey Anderson
Addis and Crofoot
Will Holt - well maybe more cabaret type
Marilyn Child - performed w/ Glenn Yarborough, gigs w/ Josh White, Jr., but heart always on Broadway.
If I duplicated, please forgive.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 07 Jan 07 - 08:16 PM

Frank -- You're making me feel old. Most of those on both of your lists I consider to be well known -- Tom Hall

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Ian Burdon
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:12 AM

I think that the Alex Corner mentioned a couple of posts back was Alexis Korner

Do Hazel Dickens and Alice Gerrard count in this "little known" category? It depends were you are I guess

Ian

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 10:10 AM

Come to think of it, I was a little-known 1960s folk singer (I started in 1969). And I am still little-known :-)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 12:00 PM

Exactly I never heard of anybody called Scrump.

A name like that, you'd remember.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 01:23 PM

Alix Dobkin
Jackie Gibson
Helen Schneyer
Elliott Kenin
Lee Ruth
Roy Berkeley
Laura Wetzler
Jimmy Collier
Rev. Frederick D. Kirkpatrick
Laura Weber (taught guitar on TV in 1960's)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:17 PM

From the Bay Area:
Terry Dolan
Allan Burton
Chuck Massey
Ivan Ulz
Don Burnham (later leader of "Lost Weekend", California's top Western Swing outfit.)
Dynamite Annie Johnston
Ruthann Friedman (mostly L.A.)
Hank Bradley
Larry Hanks
Phil Marsh

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: DonMeixner
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 02:42 PM

At the Auburn Community College Coffee house we had a lot of people go through that I haven't heard of since or very seldom.

Randy Rice
Art Carney's son who was very good.
Blair Hull and Jim Roche (became friends but have lost touch)
Larry Keane
Bill Steele
Bill Destler (Now a dean of sorts at Cornell)
Mary McCaslin
Jim Ringer (Deceased)
Nicky Seeger
Fran McKendree

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Greg B
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 06:23 PM

Dottie Gittleson--- SoCal folk singer and children's book
author. Used to sometimes play with other friends at 'hootenanies'
in my folks living room c. 1967 or so, when I was but a kid.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,RS
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 06:40 PM

Wee Little Drummer, hail from across the years - nice to see Derek Hall mentioned - I used to go down the Shades back then, & could never figure why the guy wasn't huge, he was as good as any of the 'legends' (D Graham etc), I still have the 'Out of The Shades' EP with his masterly versions of 'Darlin' & 'Skillet'; oh, & Mike Cooper's trying to track him down too, according to his Cooparia website..

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 08:19 PM

ah but but I was so much older then....

write me a letter RS, I'm hungry to hear you

this is my website and contains my e-mail


http://bigalwhittle.co.uk/

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 08 Jan 07 - 09:46 PM

Ah, the memories.
So many of those named were friends, so many that I would have to scan that list again and again to get them all. Here are some updates and questions. Alex Dobkin was a regular at the Sunday sessions at The Gilded Cage, as were, Elliot Kenin, Ethel Raim, Josh Dunson, Billy Vanaver and Gordon Bok. So was Shelly Posen, when he was studying folklore at the Univ. of Pennsylvania.
I have always associated Helen Shneyer with the Washington, D.C. crowd along with wonderful singers like John Eberhart and Andy Wallice.
I traveled to NYC to see Roy Berkeley at the Old Farts Reunion in Washington Square but he didn't make it down from wherever he lives in Vermont or New Hampshire, so I had to make do with picking with Eric Weisberg, Steve Mandel, Gene Yellin and a few other survivors of that most musical of decades.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 01:18 AM

MARC SILBER,

You were sitting on a table at the first University Of Chicago Folk Festival in 1961 -- picking out San Francisco Bay Blues. That was Saturday afternoon -- Feb. 4th, '61 in venerable old Ida Noyes Hall where the workshops for the festival always happened. (Fest is still going strong---still yearly at the beginning of February.)

But I never forgot the fingerpicking you were doing that day. It was a big influence on me.----- And Perry Lederman was hanging out at that festival in '61. Just amazing.

I'll be back tomorrow with some more stuff for this good thread...

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: elfcape
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 01:30 AM

Jeez. I didn't think Hank Bradley was that old. Are we talking end of 60s here?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Sandy Paton
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:10 AM

Bill Destler is actually Provost at the University of Maryland now. Still singing darned well.

Let me add Dave Frederickson's name to the list - Berkeley, singer of western songs. Made one recording (at least) for Folkways.

Slim Critchlow (is that how he spelled it?) - fine western singer originally from Utah, I think, who became part of the Bay Area scene.

Charlotte Daniels, from Indiana, made one record for Prestige. Sang some in the Washington, D.C., clubs back about then. Did one gig with me at the Gate of Horn.

Cathy and Carol (Were they later than the 60s? I still think of them as youngsters.)

Jack Stanesco - still sings with Harry Tuft out in Denver as part of Grubstake.

And finally, one of the best of them all: Larry Hanks.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: VIN
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:35 AM

It will take me a year to plough thru the above so just thought i'g ask if anyone has yet mentioned the great Mary Asquith from the Manchester area yet. Saw her a few time in T'owd days, one of the best female blues voices ever heard at the time. Got some recordings of her on minidisc from friends album of hers.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:52 AM

Cathy and Carol (Were they later than the 60s? I still think of them as youngsters.)

Kathy and Carol had a single lp on Elektra, circa 1965, reissued last year by ccmusic.com (I have no financial interest). Also last year, they shared a bill with Mark Spoelstra in a central California concert.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:48 AM

Back to the U.S. West Coast:

I believe that Larry Hanks is still singing up a storm in the Bellingham area, though I might be incorrect about that;

The late Terry Wadsworth, from the late 50's and early 60's;

Pat Garvey, who I think now runs a bookstore in the D.C. area;

Good thread! Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:55 AM

Strikes me the reason most of these 60's singers were unknown is that they lived in America!!!! Tee Hee.

Andy (safe in the UK, with our own bunch of never-quite-made-its.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 10:46 AM

Most of these "little known" folks were not little known to to us on the scene then. Most everyone mentioned here were well known to us THEN. It was a mesmerizing time.

Don't forget Jim Kweskin and his fingerpicking influence then. I was teaching a beginners guitar course the the Fret Shop on 57th Street in Chicago's Hyde Park south side neighborhood-----in the old Artist Colony buildings -- cold water storefronts left over from the Colombian Exposition of 1893. KWESKIN was teaching an advanced fingerpicking course then and there (1961). I had a Webcor 2-track reel-to-reel tape machine on which I taped an hour of Jim solo singing and playing on Ella Jenkins' (she is still around and singing at age 80) WSBC-FM radio show called the MEETIN' HOUSE.

I just got Roxio software and put those tapes on a CD in this brave new millennium. Great music and great memories. (Great thread too.)

And I must add that I started picking and singing at Chicago's NO EXIT COFFEEHOUSE---CAFE AND GALLERY that year -- 1961. THIRTY-SEVEN YEARS LATER, I was still playing music there quite a few dates every year. I always referred to the No Exit as "my oasis" --- until I lost the ability to pick altogether.

As I'm fond of saying, "If it wasn't for time, we'd have to do everything all at once!" ;-)

Best regards, and my heartfelt thanks, to all of you.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 11:04 AM

I meant the David Rae who, at about 17 years old, used to live in Toronto and played back-up guitar for many Canadian folk singers as well as doing solo gigs at coffe houses. He backed up Ian & Sylvia, Joanie Anderson (later Mitchell) and Gord Lightfoot at the Mariposa Festival that was held in Maple Leaf Stadium in the sixties.

The late David Snaker Ray wouldn't fit into the "Little Known" catagory, since almost everyone I knew in the sixties who was into acoustic music had a copy of Blues, Rags & Hollers and Lots More B,R&H.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 11:23 AM

Paul Simon was a little, known 1960s folk singer.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 01:15 PM

Scrump--
   Ooh, that Paul Simon line. You're a cruel man. But fair.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 01:39 PM

"Miskin man" ... there's more truth in what you said than you might realize. I know several folkies of that period who performed under several different names. (it was easier to hide that way)! Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jeff Hindman, Maidstone
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 03:13 PM

Does anyone know what happened to the "Four Square Circle" from SE London? They were around from 1965 to 75.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 06:52 AM

Ah, this thread is an ideal one to ask about a group I remember vaguely from the late 1960s or early 1970s.

They were (I think) a trio (but could have been a duo?) and I believe they were based in the Fylde area (Blackpool possibly) (Lancs, England). Their name was (I think) "??? Boots" where "???" is something I can't remember. I've been racking my brain to remember - I don't think it was "Brown Boots" but maybe it was?

They moved to London in about 1970 or '71 IIRC, but I never heard of them afterwards so I guess they broke up or something?

Sorry it's all very vague, but does anyone remember a duo or trio answering this (admittedly incomplete) description?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 09:55 AM

The Jug Trust! Vernon Haddock's Jubilee Lovelies!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 10:10 AM

I remember Jug Trust, led by Brian Cookman (I believe he's sadly no longer with us). I saw them a few times in the late 60s and early 70s, and the first time I saw them (1969) I did a floor spot where they were on the bill, and Brian very kindly lent me a harmonica as I had come unprepared to play (although I had my brand new guitar, bought the same day, with me). The band later changed its name to Bronx Cheer.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 12:28 PM

elfcape: Sure, Hank Bradley's that old. I met him in '66 or '67 when he was playing with the Cleanliness and Godliness Skiffle Band, doing their unforgettable version or Martin Mull's "Chinese New Year Waltz", among other faves. He's still alive, too. I think.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 12:54 PM

A group from Nova Scotia Scotia called Swallowstale. They did some local gigs and the Lunenburg Harbour Folk Festival, did one Cassette then disappeared. Too bad, they were great.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Marty Farrow
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 05:45 PM

Jeff Hindman, I believe one of the "Four Square Circle" is with "Elsie`s Band".

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 05:55 PM

How about the Two Tones from Orilia, Ontario? Gordon Lightfoot, the tenor guitar player is still around, but where is Terry Whalen(sp?)?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 06:33 PM

Some info on Terry Whelan here.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: elfcape
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 08:02 PM

To Frandsen: Hank was married to Sandy, wasn't he? She's till calling dances in the NW I understand from the trad-dance-caller's group on yahoo.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: iancarterb
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 10:35 PM

Hank Bradley lives in Seattle, playing Greek music and whatever else comes to mind, as always.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 06:32 PM

I'll tell you 'bout a little known group who were fairly popular in Norway named "The Immigrants". Nobody knows about them today.

Bernie Krause who replaced me in the Weavers was little-known but quite good. He became well-known as a producer for Paul Beaver (of synthesizer fame).

How bout Dave Sears (who sounded alot like Pete Seeger) as well as Joe Jaffe from the NY area?

Anyone hear of Effie Siegerman? (NY) Moved to Australia I think.

Moe Hirsch was a great guitar-banjo- picker from U of Chicago but little-known in New York. (Became math prof).

Red Parham and "Crazy" George Pegram from Statesville N.C. were mainstays on the Bascom Lamar Lunsford Asheville Folk Festival. Great performers and the real deal.

Sonja Savig sang Norwegian folk songs and performed well in NY and NE.

How 'bout the bass players? Tom Lee, father of Spike Lee accompanied Odetta and Josh White. Wilbur Ware (known in be-bop jazz circles accompanied folk acts). So did Chuck Israels who is better known for his work with Bill Evans, great jazz pianist.

"Buckwheat" used to play with Bud and Travis.

Art Thieme and I would agree that Bill Chipman was one of the best around of trad. country singers.

What about Rick and Lorraine Lee who I knew in Boston? Lorraine (a formidable lap dulcimer player is now Lorraine Hammond and Rick played a mean banjo and piano.

Howie Burston, great banjo player married to Sally Rogers.

Do Kate and Livingston Taylor of the James Taylor family count as lesser-knowns?

Katie Lee from Arizona, (cowboy songs, southwest folk music)

Ruthie Gordon from Appalachian area wrote some great songs.

Shlomo Carlbach is well-known in Jewish circles but was lesser-known in the folk area.

For that matter, Henry Zapotnik...same as Shlomo Carlbach.

Tony Schwartz should qualify as the collector of the famous unfamous "Moondog" on the streets of New York.

Gil (can't remember his last name but wrote songs for Broadside with Dylan, Paxton and Len Chandler.

Rick Epping, folk harmonica virtuoso from LA

Here in GA, Colonel Bruce Hampton (kinda' folk rock)

Lynn Gold (LA but now residing in Fla.)

Derroll Adams, the "banjoman" who I knew in LA and performed with Jack Elliott in Europe. Known well in Belgium, Amsterdam etc. but not in the US.

My old buddy Dave Zeitlin who plays a beautiful folk guitar and had a rich tenor voice now teaches at McCabe's Guitar Shop in LA.

Marcia Berman and Patty Zeitlin (formerly married to Dave) have written lovely children songs and are folkies from the 60's.

Arkansas Red lives in Eureka Springs, AK and is a great banjo-picker, guitar-player and folksinger. He still does it...goin' strong.

Micheal Miles (better known in banjo circles) from Chicago...beautiful clawhammer stylist.

Sis Cunningham (editor of Broadside) trad Appalachian and topical songwriter

Bess Hawes should be better known than she is (Alan Lomax's sister who in my view is as significant in some ways as Alan). Educator, banjo-picker and singer. With the Almanacs.

Tom Glaser...was pretty well-known at the time.

Wade White, a great slide-guitar blues player from North Carolina...not known today.

Clabe Hangan from San Bernadino California...African American performer..great.

Did anyone mention Robin Roberts? She sang Celtic songs and was part of Vanguard Records or was it Electra?

My friend Elise Witt is a fine folk singer and performer from GA.

Does anyone remember Pat Foster?

Freddie Gerlach played 12 string guitar and studied Leadbelly.

Jean, I remember Peter Carbone of Bleeker Street. Worked on my instruments.

Jim Rooney from Boston, played left-handed (like Bill Staines) and did trad. country.

Mike Melford also produced trad. country played mandolin.

Joe Klee played Uke and sang songs. Later became a jazz critic for Mississippi Rag.

Osborne Smith, African-American performer sang rich baritone and played percussion in the Chicago area.

Mike Settle worked with Kenny Rogers in the "First Edition". He wrote some good songs.

Eric Schoenberg is a great finger-picking player who is now making guitars on the West Coast.

Not many of you knew Al Grierson but I think he was one of the best writers around, died tragically in a flood in Texas.

Was it Micheal Strange, the actor who put out the record of Robin Hood ballads for I think Elecktra?

Of course Billy Strange played guitar with Glenn Campbell in the "Folkswingers".

Jimmy MacDonald was an African-American singer/performer from New York. I remember Bob Gibson, Mary Travers, Jimmy and I went to Philly to sing at a coffee-house in the dead of night.

"Lingo The Drifter" did "Ramblin' Jack/ Sandy Pinckney. Lingo from Colo. area I think.

Mike Bloomfield? Did I mention him? Sort of famous later as a blues guitarist.

Little Brother Montgomery was a fairly well-known blues pianist and songwriter from Chicago. Played with Willie Dixon.

Patti (Reagan) Davis played coffee-houses throughout the Seventies in LA and Santa Barbara. She was probably around during the Sixties.

Snooks Eaglin, great New Orleans bluesman and singer.

Hedy West, can't forget her. How well-known she was I guess is debatable but great banjo-pickin' gal and singer.

Some of these folks you might have heard of, some not.

It would be a great thread to do: "Where are they now?"

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: David C. Carter
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 07:02 PM

Anyone know what happened to Willis Alan Ramsey,who wrote-North East Texas Women?

David

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 11 Jan 07 - 07:26 PM

I well remember a concert in San Francisco in 1959. Odetta sand at the Opera House and Tom Lee played bass with her. Amazing. Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 12:30 AM

Greetings once again!

Just to add to what Frank Hamilton wrote:

• The Gil whose last name he cannot recall was Gil Turner. He died in 1974 at the age of 41. Among his many songs, the best know is Carry It On!

• The banjo player married to Sally Rogers is actually Howie Bursen, not Burston. I took clawhammer lessons from him at Pinewoods Camp in 2005.

• Sis Cunningham was from Oklahoma, not Appalachia, although some of her songs were in Appalachian style. Sis was, up to the time of her death in 2004, a mentor to generation after generation of topical-political folk singers.

• Sonja Savig is still very active in the New York Pinewoods Folk Music Club.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 03:20 AM

I guess "little-known" or "well-known" is a bit subjective, as each of us has no real way to tell how many others knew about these people back then. Likewise, I may never have heard of somebody listed here who was known to many others, who would appear to be "well-known" even though I've never heard of them.

It could be argued that nearly all folk singers then and today, are largely little-known by people outside the folk community, even some of the biggest names. How many people outside the folk world have heard of (say) John Kirkpatrick, Jez Lowe or Vin Garbutt? (Just to pick three names more or less at random, of highly respected folk artists who have been around a long time and are big names in the folk world, at least in the UK).

That said, I have heard of some of those listed by Frank Hamilton - Derroll Adams, Mike Bloomfield and Hedy West I would have thought were fairly well known, but maybe that's just because I know them. As I said, it's subjective.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Stefan Wirz
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 06:29 AM

Gordon Heath & Lee Payant ('Abbaye' in Paris, France)
They're *so* little known that there's nothing by them to be found on CD (or is it?)
Stefan

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:03 AM

Scrump said,"I guess "little-known" or "well-known" is a bit subjective," and I think we'd all agree. Show me a clawhammer banjo fan who doesn't know of Howie Bursen, but if you were to ask 50 people on the street I'm sure you'd strike out.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: elfcape
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 08:55 PM

How many American singer songwriters have heard of John K, Vin Garbutt or even Jez? At least they might have heard of Jez since he comes to the States.

But they don't sing folk music and aren't interested in traditional styles, so they're not likely to be acquainted with John.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: DeeRod
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 09:42 PM

of course for the least known of the unknown, you could have been reading Washington Folk Strums (64-67).

Glad to read of Bob Grossman. Got to know Bob in Wash, @62. He was top bill at Shadows one tome (in DC) and I took a date who was mightily impressed that the star came and had a drink with us at intermission. 2nd bill was a kid form Philly-comedian of sorts. Cosby by name. Pretty good too.

Bill Destler; only double dipper, Pres. FSGW,Pres. Bal;t. Folk Club
Currently Provost, U. of Md. can't get him out to sing these days.

Allan Dameron got a lot of coverage in Folk Strums. He was resident in Brickskellar Club here. We palled around Newport FF.Saw him three years ago.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 10:08 PM

Stefen: Gordon Heath and Lee Payant DID have an impact on us here in Seattle in the mid fifties. The late Walt Robertson hung out with them in Paris for a while. He brought many of their songs back to us, as well as wonderful tales ... such as the "finger snapping" rather than applause.

Sure, this is a thread about 'obscure' influences. But you NEVER know just how far these influences spread ... and continue to spread.

This is becoming a great subject! CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Xeno
Date: 12 Jan 07 - 11:48 PM

This is my first time visiting this site after a friend reccommended it, and as I scrolled down I was intriqued by this thread. Especially since the friend who told me about Mudcat Cafe was a "little known 1960's folksinger!" We were just kids from Tulsa together, & Jennifer Sullivan was singing in "coffeehouses" & small clubs around the Midwest USA from about 68 into the 70s. Jennifer was just a little teenage girl then, only about 14 or 15, but she could make herself up to look older, so nobody realized her youth then. She was unusual because she knew more folksongs than anyone anybody ever met, and played a variety of instruments beyond guitar & flute & keyboards that most people never heard of then, like mountain dulcimer & autoharp & bodhran & irish whistle & stuff I can't even remember. Since she played guitar with ceili bands as a youngster she knew all kinds of irish songs & tunes, and could easily cover the "folk"singers of the time. She told me that she's now out in California living the good life while the rest of us schmucks are sitting in the cold back in the breadbasket. It's amazing & kinda sad sometimes the talent thats running around out there that we don't even realize. Somebody you know could easily have been well known, but is a nobody in poverty now.
Zeno, still in Tulsa

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:29 AM

Well, Zeno, we're not famous but we are far from impoverished. Many of us, who were full time performers in the 60's stayed in the business after the hootenanny craze passed. We teach folk instruments, we sing in school programs, libraries, museums, state and county fairs, festivals (large and small), senior facilities. We do workshops and artists in residence appointments. Some of us tour and some stay close to home. In Philadelphia, I have managed to maintain a full time career, without traveling. So have a number of others folk performers who live here (Jackie Pack, Tossi Aaron, Joe Aaronson, Ken Ulancy, Saul Broudy and George Britton, who has been making an excelent living from folk music since the late 1940's).
Don't cry for us, Argentina. Just, send us some Columbian.

                      Mike

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 03:13 AM

I haven't had time to read ALL of these entries, but I hope someone has mentioned Bob Coltman, old-time music authority, singer/songwriter extraordinary, and fairly frequent contributor to these Mudcat pages. Several fine recordings on Minstrel Records, at least one of which (I think) has now been re-released as a CD. You may be familiar with some of his Child ballad revisions, recorded on a remarkable release titled "Son of Child."
    One of my personal favorites has long been Ed Trickett. Has he been mentioned here? Ed has a great knack for finding wonderful songs and sings them, as Gordon Bok once put it, "from the inside out."
    Sandy

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:01 AM

American singer songwriters may not sing in your tradition, but they are operating in their tradition. Or their view of what tradition is.

Tradition is a funny word. Back in the 60's, I was at Leighton Park School in Reading for about 15 months, and we had this American kid doing a sort of year's scholarship.

He said the thing about this school is - you have no traditions....not like we had in my school back in America.

we all said, but why would we have any traditions - our school only started up at the start of the 20th century.

He said, well - that's about thirty years older than my school back in Arizona, we've got all these traditions that we hand on.

I think Americans must have a lot more literal meaning of traditional than we do - it is what is actually handed on. Whereas in England, 'traditional music' has to actually have ersatz cobwebs hanging off it.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 11:51 AM

I find your comments VERY interesting. Many years ago I got "hung up" on the definition of "traditional folk music." Most every folksinger I ever met has to get through this question. Remembering that America has such a short history compared to Great Britian, for example, for several years I used a handy definition for traditional: it had to be at least 100 years old. I'm sure that seems silly to you, but it worked for me. It is also the benchmark that antique furniture dealers use to measure authenticity. Today I don't have a clue how to define it. And NO, let's don't warp this fine thread into yet another attempt at defining the impossible. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 12:47 PM

There was Addiss and Crowfut, two folkies who toured the world on a State Department grant. They introduced American folk music around the world.

Sorry i got Howie Burson's name wrong. Yes, Gil Turner. Thanks, Steve.

There are countless great folk instrumentalists who haven't been mentioned such as "Ti Jean" Johnnie Carignan, one of the world's best fiddlers from French Canada.

Earl Collins, a great traditional country fiddler who lived in LA......

Ralph Blizzard ...another great fiddler.

Zylphia Horton, wife of Miles Horton from Highlander Folk School responsible for the popularity of "We Shall Overcome". Played accordian.

Jenny Vincent Wells from New Mexico...spanish songs. Accordian also.

There was a guitarist from McCabe's Guitar Shop...I can't remember his name...I think it was Rick but he was a phenomenal finger picker.

Joe and Antoinette McKenna.....Joe...master of the Uillean pipes and Antoinette, singer and player of Irish harp...exceptional performers.

The Pindar singers from the Bahamas....Joseph Spence...Bahamian guitar player and singer.

Clark Allen...flamenco and Spanish songs from the San Diego area.

Did somebody mention Joe and Eddie from the Troubador in LA? (maybe getting redundant here)

I wouldn't call Ed McCurdy little-known but maybe comparatively to others.

John Herald....with Ralph Rinzler in "Greenbriar Boys". Wrote a version of "Stewball".

How about Molly Scott? Pretty lady. Nice voice.

Howie Mitchell, dulcimer player with the group, "Golden Ring".

George and Gerry Armstrong from Illinois. George...folklorist and bagpipes...Gerry, dulcimer and traditional ballads. Jenny, their daughter is also a fine singer/player.

Banjo Dancing with Stephen Wade...although he is pretty well-known in the Mid-West.

I vote for my friend Mark Dvorak from Illinois who is just coming into his own as a songwriter as well as folksinger.

Sonny Houston lives in GA and has played on records with Guy and Candie Carawan.
Plays all kinds of instruments.

Red Grammer (sp?) who replaced Glenn Yarborough in the "Limelighters".

Ernie Lieberman (Sheldon) who also replaced Glenn in the "Limelighters". Ernie became a substantial songwriter.

Betty Sanders...part of People's Artists but sang through the Sixties.

Jerry Walter (banjo picker) of the "Gateway Singers" which had "Elmer Lee Thomas" a fine African-American singer as well as a starting group for Travis Edmondsen.

"Sonny" Vale was the Robert DeCormier of the West Coat with his Folk Chorus.

Earl Robinson kept performing through the Sixties and was writing and composing music.

Peter Alsop, a writer of children's songs and folksinger from LA, married to Ellen Geer, daughter of Will Geer.

Freddie Hellerman was with the well-known Weavers but his private accomplishments were as a producer for Joan Baez (I think first recording) and songwriter. "Come Away Melinda"..

Then there's the "Fast Folk" crowd from New York. Steve Suffet will know Jack Hardy and those people.

A great folk instrumentalist and singer is Joe Craven who did a remarkable CD called "Camptown".

I'll mention John McCutcheon just because he has recently moved to GA and is a neighbor, now.

Did anyone mention Si Kahn? Not a big big name but just as important as any.

Micheal Smith (songwriter "The Dutchman"..Chicago) and Barbara Barrow.

Ken Pearlman...fairly well known in banjo circles.

I'll vote for my friend Adam Miller who is now touring the country and making a good living as (gasp) a folksinger. Autoharp and guitar.

Then there's Peter Marston, from New England, a great singer was with David Jones in "Starboard List"....David...also great. Pete's brother (my friend) Chick is a great blues fingerpicker and works with his wife Ellen Ford, singer in N.E. and Florida.

John Langstaff is known as a baritone who started the "Christmas Revels" in Cambridge but was formerly on staff at Pine Woods.


The more these names come up, the more I realize just how extensive and powerful the "folk scare" was. The beat goes on.....................................

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 12:56 PM

Frank, The more names you plug into this thread, the more you shake names out of the cobwebs in my brain: Walt Robertson. CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bubblyrat
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:02 PM

Many years ago,I used to go to a folk-club in a pub called the Half Moon, in Yeovil----1965/66 it was !! I remember one night a little guy shuffled in and hung around sort of furtively in the background,until he was announced as the guest for that evening --it was Paul Simon !! I thought he was very good (as you would !!) but I was a "Terry & Alan" man, myself !! Terry was ,in real life, Lt.Commander Terry Kemp,RN, a test-pilot ,from the nearby Royal Naval Air Station,Yeovilton, & Alan was a corporal in the RAF , also stationed at Yeovilton--he looked after the accomodation for RAF personnel that was provided for visiting Vulcan bomber ground-crews.I know this because I was stationed there as well !! I always admired Terry & Alan for both their musicianship ,& stage "prescence"----They were destined to be together.They had matching guitars,although one played different chord-shapes with a capo on,which I thought was very clever ( and "cool" !! )-Certainly the sound was good,and they could both sing well.Their repertoire was interesting ,and songs I can still recall include "Bound out for Newfoundland " and " The Squid-jigging ground " They were very professional & entertaining,& would go down well today ! I often wonder what became of them. Incidentally, some other regulars at that club were a strange bunch,one of whom worked on the corporation dust-cart in Yeovil----They called themselves "The Yetties " !!!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:44 PM

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 01:50 PM

Frank: Like Deckman said, they're falling out of the cobwebs. How about Gil Robbins (of The Highwaymen), currently touring America in a big-ass Winnebago. Father of actor/folksinger Tim Robbins. I get postcards from him sometimes. He's a happy guy.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 02:58 PM

Frank's posting of names has suggested something. I'm going to list a few names. "Little known" or prominant doesn't matter much, really.

Following are the people that I felt were quite significant to my folk music background here in the Wst Coast or America.

These very fine singers are no longer with us ... except in "spirit":

Walt Robertson
John Dwyer
Roy Guest
Terry Wadsworth

This next list includes great musicians that no longer perform:

Sally Ashford
John Ashford
Mike Leib

This next list is of very active performers:

Don Firth
Nancy Quense
Stewart Hendrickson
Jerry Middaugh
Reggie Miles
John Weiss
Steve Lalor
Mike Nelson
George Austin
Stan James
Alice Stewart
Bruce Baker
Steve Culver

This last list is of great musicians that I have lost track of, and I sure would like an update:

Mike Reedy (U.K.?)
Don Normark
Pat Garvey (WA.D.C.?)

This is not a complete list, and I'm sure I'll squeeze a few more out of my very old brain cells.

If any of you want an update on these folks, give me a PM. I should caution you that some of these people do NOT wish to be located. I'm sure you all understand that. CHEERS, Bob (great thread)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:34 PM

Also from the Seattle area, Judy Flenniken (big voice), currently living in Key Largo, Florida with her husband. Still singing, as far as I know.

. . . not to mention Bob Nelson (Deckman), who got interested in folk music when he was about thirteen. I first met him in 1953, when he was about sixteen or so, and by then, he knew his way around a guitar pretty well and had a sizeable, and growing, repertoire of songs. Since then, coffeehouses, concerts, television, folk festivals, the whole works, all up and down the Pacific Coast (and where all else, I'm not sure).

But like a lot of fine singers out this-a-way, no recordings, which is probably why he isn't better known around the country than he is. Back during the 50s and 60s, what few record companies there were in the Pacific Northwest were into soft-rock and do-wop, and they were outright hostile to folk music.

But that situation is currently being rectified.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:43 PM

Deckman

no I know not neither what a tradition actually means definitively.

I was just commenting that the Americans seem to mean something different to us. And Elfcape seemed to sum up that sort of 'they're wrong cos they ain't like us' belief. In English music, there seems to be a sort conscious reaching back and yearning even, for the past and its certainties.

Like Oscar Wilde said , two nations divided by the same language.

all the best

al

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:44 PM

Also the late David (Dave) Spence. He was a native of Belfast and came to the USA when he was 18. He was very big the in the Bay area, singing most every Friday night at "The Drinking Gourd." He died in 1966 at the early age of 26, in an aircraft accident.

(Don ... how much do I owe you for that compliment)?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Jan 07 - 04:52 PM

We'll negotiate tomorrow when you get here. . . .

Glad you're going to be able to make it after all!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 01:30 PM

Bob Grossman is living in New York. I have his cell phone number. I mentioned, way way above in this thread, that he spent many years in Detroit as an actor under the name Robert Grossman. Last year he appeared with Lucie Arnaz in a play called "Sonia Flew" at the Coconut Grove Playhouse in Florida. He released a new CD a couple years ago (43 years after his Elektra album). He does a killer "Begin the Beguine" on it and an incredibly bluesy "Surrey with the Fringe on Top."
Spike Lee's dad is bassist Bill Lee, not Tom Lee.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:45 PM

What a great thread, and I've sifted through the whole thing! At least some of these "little known" singers from the 1960's were known by me.

Certainly I and my parents knew Bill Bonyun who pioneered the "job" of singing folk songs in classrooms and produced a fine collection of recordings on his Heirloom label; I need to bug one of his sons about getting some of them re-issued as CD's. His wife Gene was also a fine singer.

Is Mel Lyman less known? I may have missed him in my scanning but he was part of the early 1960's folk club wave of performers in the Boston area, before he went off the North Carolina and swapped songs with Obray Ramsey, and then joined the Jim Kweskin Jug Band, and later became God and went West. I knew him in his Woody Guthries phase, and I still sing some of the songs he wrote, and some of Obray's as well.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: johnross
Date: 15 Jan 07 - 05:35 PM

The singer mentioned uptopic who sang on TV from the deck of Old Ironsides was probably Tony Saletan, who did many broadcasts on Boston's WGBH-TV.

Tony is now living outside Tacoma, Washington and calling dances.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Abby Sale
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:28 PM

GUEST,Erik Frandsen, Deckman & pdq: thanks for the suggestions. Not them, though. I finally remembrer his first name was Carl. Very good.

Frank: What a list! Some of the better known ones in the 1st two lists were greatly influential, I think. For me, especially Dyer-Bennett. I learned about ballads.

Hey! What about's all the Cambridge/Boston people. As said all had to get started but there were many fine local sengers about the time that girl with the long black hair was getting off the ground.

Rolf Cahn & Rick von Schmidt for starters.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 04:57 PM

Abby- and before that, Gene and Francesca is NYC

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 16 Jan 07 - 06:18 PM

How about Al Cromwell?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 11:04 AM

Abby: Yeah, that Boston crowd had a lot to offer. How 'bout left-handed Eddie Motteau, and Round Mound of Renown Pat McGuinn?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Madison Memories
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 06:54 PM

In Madison in the 60's at one time or the other I knew or met:

Carolyn Hester

Danny Kalb and his unknown younger brother Johnnie (both great guitar players)

Paul Prestipino, who might be the same person as Greg Prestipino (?), an incredible mandolin and banjo player

Phil Buss, guitar player and maker(last seen in Santa Fe in the 90's)

Tracy Nelson, blues belter of "Down So Low" and Mother Earth fame

Mel Storch, banjo

Of course lots of famous performers played Madison in the early 60's starting with Joan Baez and later Dylan himself, but since Chicago was only 3 hours away we used to go down to the University of Chicago Folk Festival where there was a lot more traditional folk music to enjoy. People like Flatt and Scruggs, the Carter Family, Doc Watson, Big Joe Williams, Gary Davis all played there in the years I went. In addition to the great concerts cause we were on he scene we always got to go to the afterhours party in somebody's flat where you got to see and hear some of these same luminaries in the intimate setting of a livingroom--until the police came and rousted us all out onto the frozen streets because of a noise complaint.

I particularly remember Big Joe Williams and Rev. Gary Davis performing at one of these parties, and at that or in another year, Paul Butterfield, as yet unknown, was in the hallway practicing licks from "You Gotta Help Me Baby, I Can't Do It By Myself" while simultaneously putting the make on a girl with long blonde hair, the lyric ostensibly being his come-on line. I'll never forget that. A couple of years later the Butterfield Blues Band was packing them in at Big Johns in Oldtown and we'd go down on weekends to catch them cause it was a really hot scene. One time while we were dancing I realized that the woman who I was having such a blast dancing with was none other than Odetta.

Barry Goldberg was someone I also hung with once or twice in chicago.

As to other not-so-well-knowns I can think of:

Diane Davidson (maybe more country music), saw her play in San Francisco a couple of times.

Jesse Winchester

Kate and Anna McGarrigle

Ewan MacColl and A.L.Lloyd who had a couple of albums of Sea Shanties

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Feb 07 - 07:15 PM

I say !!! Ewan McColl little known ?? Well,maybe in the USA ,but in the UK he was ,& will always be, in the top 5 EVER !! His contribution to the Folk Revival in Britain was phenomenal, both as a performer & a song-witer !! He even managed a song,recently recorded by Christy Moore, about the Cuban revolution :-
"Courage was their armour,
as they fought at Fidel"s side,
with Che Guavarra "
    Goes the chorus & yes,McColl was very "Left wing " !! But that didn"t affect his popularity,like it didn"t affect Pete Seeger"s! Hell, Ewan McColl even married Pete Seeger"s sister Peggy !! So ,to mention him on a "little known" thread is unbelievable !!!I mean, he was like a British Woody Guthrie,for God"s sake!! How CAN you call him "not -so-well-known", Guest Madison Memories ?? I am in shock !!!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Leadbelly
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 05:37 PM

Bubblyrat: take it easy! Naturally you are completely right with Ewan, but don't forget that this contribution comes from the US. If somebody is well-known and famous in one country this does not automatically mean fame in other countries and vice versa.
At this opportunity I would like to send best wishes to Howard Stith who is my personally known best "Little known 1960's Folk Singer" , living in NH.

Manfred from Germany

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bubblyrat
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 05:51 PM

OK Manfred !! Sorry to get "overheated" !! Where are you in Germany ?? I used to live in Bielefeld !! I did a lot of "busking " outside the Post Office near the railway station in Hanover !!
    Roger.....

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 05:59 PM

And ... let's NOT forget Pat Garvey!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Madison Memories
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 06:54 PM

Well O.K. now, calm down. I didn't mean to demean him, especially since I really loved his albums of Sailors songs, and now that you hit me with both barrels I recognize that Ewan McColl was indeed a name here in folk circles and had a bunch of albums out. That was long ago and maybe my memory isn't as good as I thought. I guess what I meant was, not widely known among the wider public rather than among lovers of folk music, which one could have said about many really authentic folksingers anyway. Besides which, some people above were mentioning the New Lost City Ramblers in this context, and they were anything but little known or insignificant and I didn't get all unhinged. Anyway, I was thinking of the great seashanty sides, which one must admit, are an even more esoteric taste. I googled them and am glad to see that those albums are still in the catalog and on CD. BTW you may not know, or maybe you do, that John Houston used some of the seashanties from McColl and Lloyd's album "Blow Boys Blow" for the soundtrack of Moby Dick. Gave it an authenticity that Gregory Peck's wooden acting couldn't match.

Back to not-widely-known musicians, I forgot to mention that great songwriter Van Rozay from Canyon CA

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Psychomorris
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:06 PM

Bubblerap Take it easy the world is bigger than Pompey. We had one of the best folk scenes ever in the mid 60.s to 70,s enhanced by many a draft dodger from the USA along with many a rebel song from Eire. What may sit well with one group cannot always sit well with others. I like openess and free thought. Don't kick it if it differs with you. Chill out man. Psychomorris

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:09 PM

Song Lyric as sung by Dick Gaughan
The good ship Granma lies at anchor in the harbour
Waiting for the evening tide to bring high water
It's bound for Cuba she must go across the Gulf of Mexico
And the Caribbean ocean
She's carrying a human cargo,
Eighty-three good compañeros
Each one burning with determination to be free

Against Batista, the Fidelistas
Courage was their only armour
As they fought at Fidel's side
With Che Guevara

Ten days out from Mexico these compañeros
Landed on the Cuban beach Los Colorados
Fidel said, this year will see our country and its people free
Or else we will be martyrs
We've only guns enough for twenty,
The enemy has arms a-plenty
Meet him then defeat him and he'll keep us well supplied

Against Batista, the Fidelistas
Courage was their only armour
As they fought at Fidel's side
With Che Guevara

Five weeks later in the Canyon Del Arroyo
The people's army numbered eighteen compañeros
Hungry, weak, but unafraid,
They're learning Revolution's trade
In the high Sierra Maestra
And in the mountains winds are blowing
Bearing seeds of hope and sowing
Crops in Cuban earth that mark the birth of victory

On compañeros, to El Uvero!
Courage was their only armour
As they fought at Fidel's side
With Che Guevara

They fought their way across the peak of El Turquino
Joined by peasant bands and men from Santiago
They faced Batista's tanks and planes
And drove them down into the plains
From the high Sierra Maestra
They drove the gangsters from Las Villas
Straight across the Cordilleras
Santa Clara fell to Che Guevara and was free

Against Batista, the Fidelistas
Courage was their only armour
As they fought at Fidel's side
With Che Guevara

The fire lit on that Cuban beach by Fidel Castro
Shines all the way to Tierra del Fuego
Its sparks are blown upon the breeze
And men rise up from off their knees
When they see the night is burning
It blazes up in Venezuela, Bolivia and Guatemala
Lights the road that men must go in order to be free

On compañeros, Americanos!
For a peoples' free America
Fidel has shown the way with Che Guevara

©1968 Ewan MacColl

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:14 PM

A couple of names from the Canadian folk scene of the 60's just bobbed to the surface of my grey matter; Bob Ruzicka and Bob Ryszkiewicz.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Psychomorris
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:19 PM

Pat Nelson. John Isherwood. Pete Quinn. John Fitzgerald.(Pompey) Shall I go on. Easy to do with all I have seen. We all have, where we come from, memorable singers and muscians who have given us such delights.None of them have fame in the sense used to day. But local to me you would travel to see them because you enjoyed what they did. What I like is that I can get the same today at most folk clubs and festivals I attend. Thanks all of you. I hope those Americans and Irish that gave me pleasure at their singing and music in the 60.s are still at it. How can any one ever arrive at best ever? Psychomorris

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:22 PM

http://ouestech.com/bob/

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:26 PM

Yo, bobad, crank the volume.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 12:31 AM

Ewan MacColl was quite well known in the United States. My first acquaintance with his singing was in a class I took in the University of Washington, English Department, "The Popular Ballad," taught by Dr. David C. Fowler. Dr. Fowler played many cuts from a set of several records of traditional ballads sung by Ewan MacColl and A. L. Lloyd by way of examples of ballads we were studying. A couple of years later, I met Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger at the 1960 Berkeley Folk Festival.

Songbooks compiled by MacColl, such "The Shuttle and The Cage" and another similar book he did, plus "The Singing Island" put together by MacColl and Peggy Seeger were big sellers in this area.

There were darned few folk music enthusiasts whom I knew, whose interest went deeper than the Kingston Trio, New Christy Minstrel level, who did not know who Ewan MacColl was.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 01:56 AM

Frank forgot to mention Valucha Buffington, with whom he recorded The world of Frank & Valucha in the early '60s. Art mentioned this recording here and he has a 1983 photo of them here (enter "mudcat" for both username and password).

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Leadbelly
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:52 AM

To Bubblyrat (Roger): Originally I'm coming from Hamburg playing 12-string guitar (blues + folk) in some folk-clubs like Danny's Pan, Blockhütte (St. Pauli) and Onkel Pö from 1966 to 1972. Later on I moved to southern regions, now living in Lower Bavaria (Niederbayern)in a small town (kleines Dorf) near Landshut.
Hope you enjoyed your time in Germany.
Thanks for your interest!

Manfred

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Abby Sale
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 10:51 AM

Peace: I assume you posted "Los Compañeros" to reply to bubblerat, not because Gaughan is a little known 1960's Folk Singer. Actually, I thank you for it - the event is, of course, in the Happy File but I was too lazy to transcribe more than a few lines of it.

Yah, MacColl/Lloyd recordings were taight in my 60's class as well. MacColl & Peggy also did several concerts there (and Peggy one when the US wouldn't let the "dangerous commie terrorist" into the country.) Having Mac Leech & young Kenny Goldstein around didn't hurt.

But I'm remembering others. There were a number who were fairly widely noted then stopped singing. Ruined their careers as folk singers:

    Andy Griffith
    Burl Ives (athough he did sing for a number of years)
    Alan Arkin
    Liz Dyer (I've had a little contact with her - the lovely erstwhile partner of Dave Goulder is happily married, instead living the joys of one-nigh stands)
    Bonnie Dobson (her first US appearance was in my class, too)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 11:32 AM

Yup, Ewan married Peggy all right, but Alex Campbell married her first.

G ¦¬]

Any of you Canucks ever meet a guy called Brian Wadey around Toronto?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 11:42 AM

Absolutely, Abby.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bubblyrat
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 11:44 AM

Dick Gaughan is /was not a "Little -known 1960s Folk Singer". In fact, he is very much a very well -known 21st century folk -singer & musician, and something of an international superstar in the folk world-----which means,of course, that nobody in isolationist USA will have heard of him !!!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:13 PM

Bubblerat, I don't think it's so much the "isolationist USA" as it is people who got into folk music recently or whose interest and knowledge, as I said in a previous post, doesn't go very deep. I recently had a young thing ask me "Who's Joan Baez?" And she, of course, is American. Same people who have never heard of Ewan MacColl. Or Eric Bogle. Or Paddy Reilly. I have definitely heard of Dick Gaughan, and although I've never heard him in person, I've heard him on a number of radio programs such as Fiona Ritchie's "Thistle and Shamrock" and on locally produced folk music oriented programs on one of the National Public Radio affiliates in my area. And the others I've mentioned, and more.

Most of the folk music enthusiasts I know (not ALL geezers like me) and swap songs with have heard of these folks too. And have probably learned songs off their records and CDs.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:32 PM

Anyone hever heard of V. Glen Ford and his girlfriend? Wish I could recall her name.   He was from Michigan but know they travelled... at least to Florida, and probably many other places. Lovely harmonies.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:34 PM

Glen used to sit at the coffee house where (now called) Bob Dylan sang. Bob would rest his foot on this huge coffee grinder, as he played. Glen now is the proud owner of this coffee grinder.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:36 PM

Yes, Glen used to play backup for Joan Baez and others... A great versatile singer/player.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Cliff
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:43 PM

the late Fred Holstein, Chicago

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Armen Tanzerian
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 05:51 PM

Rolf Cahn

Bob Jones (became an executive in George Wien's Newport organization and renounced singing, but was the best, most soulful ballad-singer I ever heard)

Molly Malone, née Nancy Rosenthal

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 06:33 PM

I got my hot little hands on a record (Bay Concerts Records) that Rolf Cahn and Jo Mapes made back in the 1950s, and learned several songs from it. Good stuff! Then, in 1959, I was in Berkeley and had a chance to meet Rolf and get together with him for a couple of songfests. I wanted to take some guitar lessons from him, but he was heading back to Cambridge in a few days and didn't have time. Nevertheless, I learned a lot from him in just a couple of days.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 06:47 PM

Artus Moser? Appalachian singer. Horton Barker. Great Appalachian singer. Nimrod Workman, also. All were singing in the Sixties. Hally Stepherson Wood. (Married to John Henry Faulk). Mary O'Hara wasn't well known in the States but big in Ireland. Orla Fallon reminds me of her.

Art Thieme knows Bill Chipman...a great country voice...not unlike Riley Puckett.

Sam Eskin lived in Woodstock N.Y. and was a folksong collector and songwriter.

Blues musicians not too well known....Big Joe Williams (not of Count Basie fame). I mentioned Snooks Eaglin earlier. A great player and singer from N.O.

Joseph Spence was singing and playing from Bahamas in the Sixties. "Blind" Blake (not Arthur Blake) was from the same area and nobody knew much about him at the time.

You know Sandy Paton might be included. Everyone knows him for his Folk Legacy but he was a fine interpreter of British Isle ballads.

My friend Dave Zeitlin from L.A. teaches guitar at McCabes and sang and performed well.

Also my friend Guy Carawan and his wife Candie...major contributors to folk music as folklorists and sociologists.

Lee Haring banjo folkie from N.Y.

All I can think of now.

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 06:53 PM

I still vote Tom Deacon as the littlest-known 1960s singer.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Madison memories
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:52 AM

Hey Frank, thanks for mentioning Eric Schoenberg in one of your earlier posts. I knew him in Madison back in the 60's but had forgotten all about him in the intervening 40 years. He was a really nice guy, and a serious musician.

If you knew him, maybe you knew other Madison people like Phil Buss, Mel Storch, and Johnny Kalb too? Johnny, a great guitar player like his older brother Danny--who formed the Blues Project with Al Kooper, and played with other big names, so he was quite well known back then--is still playing actively too. They both have great websites.

I enjoyed reading all your lists, and I for one do remember Richard Dyer Bennet because we had a couple of his albums along with all the Weavers, Josh White, Odetta, Baez, etc.

But I have to say that some of the other folks you mention were a bit more than little known.

In particular I would take exception to your mention of Mike Bloomfield as "sort of famous as a blues muscian". Not to get to heavy about it, but if being a founding member of the Butterfield Blues Band and being immortalized for playing with Dylan on his first great electric albums is "sort of" fame, then most any unknown would do just about anything to get to be just "sort of" famous like he was. Hell, the guy could play rings around Eric "boring" Clapton anyday. Course, one could do without the fame including ODing on smack, which was a really sad end for such a talented person to have.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Stefan Wirz
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:59 AM

how about the following:
- Major Wiley
- Joan Toliver (Joan Sommer)
- Terrea Lea
- Logan English
- Paul Clayton

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Madison Memories
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:26 AM

Some others:

Lisa Gilkyson, who lived south of Santa Fe in the late 70's and 80's, had her own recording studio and played around the area.

Gabby Pahinui, the great Hawaiian guitarist (really not so little known for those in the know)

Clifton Chenier, the great zydeco accordian man (probably too well known to be listed here but I'm doing it to memorialize him cause he was so great) and his brother Cleveland (master of the washboard)

Flaco Jimenez, king of the Norteño squeezebox players--a true master

Freddy Fender (Baldemar Huerta) he mixed country and Norteño and was great. He died recently, RIP.

Jim and Jesse

the Country Gentlemen

Jimmy Rodgers -- the Singing Brakeman, not the papsinger

Peter Rowan

the Greenbriar Boys

Rambling Jack Eliot

Mary McCaslin and Jim Ringer

Utah Phillips

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 12:32 PM

Fox Watson, an absolute MONSTER clawhammer banjo player, based somewhere in New England when I met him, though he may have been from the Carolinas originally.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: maeve
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 05:50 PM

" You know Sandy Paton might be included. Everyone knows him for his Folk Legacy but he was a fine interpreter of British Isle ballads."

He still is, as far as I know. He and Caroline are lovely people and lovely musicians.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 06:00 PM

Sorry if she's already been mentioned, but the late Karen Dalton has always been one of my favourites.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 07:22 PM

Frank H ... I'm pleased that you mnetioned Guy Carawan. Back in 59 and on into the 60's he was anything but little known He traveled out here to the Seattle area in 1960. Don Firth and I had a great weekend of music with him when we all traveled up to British Columbia.

I would also like to add a VERY obscure name: "Bill Higley." He was the man most responsible for my interest in folk music. He was an early sidekick of "Haywire Mac." CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Mick Tems
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 09:00 PM

Just discovered this thread... great!

Crane Driver, Betsy and Seamus Kennedy: Lea Nicholson was a truly original concertina player and one of my favourites - I saw him at the Valley Folk Club at Pontardawe (which must have in the 1970s.) However, he soon tired of the folk scene and soon disappeared.

I saw Joanne Kelly at Bunjies cellar, London - what a stunning blues player and singer she was. She was sister to Dave Kelly of the John Dummer Blues Band, and guested on Cabal, one of their LPs. She tragically died of a brain tumour.

I used to hang around Bunjies in my just-discovering-folk days. Mike Absalom used to be a regular guest - can anybody remember what happened to him?

After that it was the Goodmayes Methodist Folk Club, ably compered by John Singleton, who moved out to Braintree. There I saw guitarist Nick Pickett, whose deft work on the fiddle as he played the Four-Hand Reel really amazed me - I tell you, it was early days! I think Nick recorded an album.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: voyager
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 07:51 AM

DAVE ZEITLIN - McCabe's Guitar Teacher & Folk Performer

Thanks to Frank Hamilton for adding Dave's name to the conversation.
Around 1968 I took my first guitar lessons in a UCLA lecture hall auditorium with Dave Zeitlin teaching 100+ students in plucking the strings to Freight Train and Goodnight Irene.

Here's a walk down that memory lane...
McCabe's GuitarShop Performers (1969-present)

voyager

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,zalby
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 08:17 AM

Mentioned earlier in the thread was the band " The Fivepenny Piece". there has been some recent releases by some of the original band members including...John Meeks with " Just Me & Some O` me Songs". Information can be found on a re-vitalised web site www.5pp.co.uk.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Midchuck
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 09:16 AM

I still vote Tom Deacon as the littlest-known 1960s singer.

Nahh. I was.

Peter.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 12:20 PM

don't any of you know any normal sized folksingers?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 01:16 PM

Hi Kids! I'm still going strong in a new kinda way. Folk Singer? Well, O.K. I always thought of myself as a Blues Singer. Freaky to see my name show up,,,Thanks bobad. Erik Frandsen, New York, right? U played the Yellow Door along with Jesse Winchester, Bruce Murdoch, Penny Lang, Tex Koenig, Paul Geremia, Dennis Brown, and a cast of thousands. And, let us not forget... little known at the time, but then went on...Bruce Cockburn, Murray McLaughlin, Bill Staines, Roy Book Binder, Ken Lyon, Jaime Michaels and the list goes on. You can check Folk Roots and Folk Branches with Mike Regenstrief on CKUT via myspace, and my new thingy wingy at http://www.myspace.com/bobryszkiewicz. And in the words of Bob Hope..."Thanks for the memories", and Groucho Marx,"I would never be a member of any organization that would have ME as a member." Bye 4 now. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 03:17 PM

Bob: It's good to see you are still around and making excellent music, "The Ghost Of Elvis" is a fine piece of work.

Maybe we'll see you at the Ormstown Branches and Roots Music festival this summer. Check out this year's lineup at http://ormstownmusicfestival.com/Roots_bios_e.htm

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Azizi
Date: 15 Feb 07 - 11:27 PM

Here's your link, Bob
http://www.myspace.com/bobryszkiewicz

Nice place, u have there!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Psychomorris
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 04:44 AM

Does anyone one remember Colin Scott? An American doing a tour in the uk instead of vietnam. Good singer/ guitarist with many self penned pieces of anti war and protest songs. ( 'Hey Sandy, Hey Sandy why were you the one? All those years of growing up are wasted now and gone'. Did you see them turn, did you feel the burn of the bullets as they flew?') Have the national guard improved much since the late 60,s or just continue to jump to politicians orders ? Sorry wrong subject place. Psychomorris

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 05:22 AM

Mentioned earlier in the thread was the band " The Fivepenny Piece". there has been some recent releases by some of the original band members including...John Meeks with " Just Me & Some O` me Songs". Information can be found on a re-vitalised web site www.5pp.co.uk.

There's also a compilation CD that came out last year from EMI, with some good stuff on it (Old Tom The Weaver, Ashton Mashers, Brown Photographs, Mi Gronny, etc.) - details at the same website

Yes, the 5PP were little known in the 1960s; they became well known in the 1970s though.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 10:38 AM

Very pleased to see Lea Nicholson given a name check on this thread. He was a resident at Merlin's in Clerkenwell around 1973, along with other little known folkies like Richard Thompson and Ssimon Nicol. He used to play a mean "Dam Busters March" on his squeezebox! One week I think he and RT did "Coronation Scot" together (ancient light music piece about a British streamline train, for the colonials' benefit).

Strangely enough Bill Vanaver and Livia Drapkin also appeared at Merlin's - I seem to remember that they were heavily into Cretan music, and Livia (or was it Bill)played a bouzouki/bouzar/mandolin/whatever using a goose quill as a pick.

And what about the ineffable Tom Paley? Did he learn to play the fiddle eventually?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 10:43 AM

Seth Lakeman was little known in the 1960s.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 11:39 AM

Bob Ryszkiewicz: The Yellow Door, oh yeah, that place. And the Back Door was the sister club just across campus, right? Chris Rawlings and Penny Rose were living in the former German embassy. They put a nice throw rug over the big-ass swastika on the floor in the lobby. Do you remember Lindsay Cameron, the piper? Still alive, is he? Who else...? Willie Dunn, crazed Micmac? Got kicked out of the Indian Museum with Pat Sky for cursing the exhibits in some arcane language called Proto-Lakota that they probably made up themselves? Remember that guy? Nice fella and not a mean drunk at all.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 08:58 PM

ERIK: Yes. Willie Dunn, Bruce Murdoch(33&1/3 Revolutions per Minute/Che Guevara/Can I Come Across To You?), Patrick Sky, Lindsay Cameron(piper/banjo/woodsman/hunter/friend), Jack Nissenson(Mountain City Four/Wade Hemsworth/Kate and Anna McGarrigle/Chaim Tannenbaum), Chris Rawlings, Penny Rose(Rose's Cantina/Morin Heights),Tex Koenig(knew Dylan, Allan Ginsberg, Tulie Kupferberg, food, always carried chopsticks, Bobby Roberts(Hey Joe), and most of The Village, NYC). And where are they now? Heaven and scattered everywhere. But if they somehow could all be gathered in some mystical way...What a party THAT would be. And lest we forget, Fred Neil(The Dolphins/Midnight Cowboy), and Paul Seibel. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 11:27 PM

Mudcat People: Just heard of the passing of John Foley, one of the originators, if not THE originator of The Yellow Door Coffeehouse in Montreal. I believe the place started in 1967. There was a room, some yellow paint, and so, The Yellow Door was born. John sang, wrote songs, and played an old Guild. He was kind-hearted, funny, talented, intense, and a fine man. It was an honor to have known him. Without him, there would have been no Yellow Door. Please help to get the word out...bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bob dylan
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 12:36 AM

I was in England in 1962 doing some TV play. I got a train to Eltham and heard this young kid in the park singing. He was Dave Kennington.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: alanabit
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 03:46 AM

I saw Colin Scott at The Last Waterhole in Amsterdam in 1980. He had a fiddle player and an electric guitarist with him. I heard from others that he was there for some time after that, but I don't know anything else. He was pretty good on stage, but he looked as if he had lived a bit then. I wonder where he ended up?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: alanabit
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 04:36 AM

This link, , if I have understood it, seems to be telling me that Colin Scott succumbed to a certain lifestyle in 1999. I don't speak Dutch, but from my knowledge of German and Rhein dialect, that seems to be what it is saying.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 07:55 PM

Wasn't the song referred to by psychomorris above - Hey Sandy - written by Harvey Andrews?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Rowan
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 01:22 AM

Brent Davey, banjo player now with the Panton Hill Umbrella Club
Jeannie Lewis
Margret Roadknight
Willem Lankhourst
(the last three all singers)

all performing in Melbourne during the 60s

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 12:19 PM

Google

Margret RoadKnight - The Official Website

She's still up and doin'.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Rowan
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 05:13 PM

Thanks Peace. But she hadn't been mentioned on the thread so I thought I should.
There's also Denis Gibbons and Alec Hood, come to think of it.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 05:24 PM

I think it's wonderful you did mention her, Rowan.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: MARINER
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 04:50 AM

Dick Cameron ,a Canadian ? and Sharon Colen (sp)an American? both sang around Dublin in the 60s .Does anyone know what became of them ?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 05:04 AM

There was this bloke I once saw in a folk club in the 1960s. I only saw him once, and I can't remember his name now. I reckon he wasn't very well known, so he probably qualifies for inclusion in this thread, whoever he is (or was, for all I know he may have passed away since then).

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frank Hamilton
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 03:38 PM

Joe Klee.

Played Uke, wrote songs, smoked an awful cigar, now writes interesting articles for the "Mississipi Rag" and other jazz publications.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Rowan
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 04:26 PM

Scrump, that might have been the same bloke I once saw in some folk club in the 60s. I can't remember the name of the club; can't even remember his, now.

Must be getting old.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 05:28 PM

yes nick pickett, living in stratford, east london,but he was still performing in the seventies and eighties.[maybe still is now]
heres one, Jeff Dale organiser of Downe folk club,blues singer twelve string guitarist.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 07:12 PM

Frank -- not sure, but I think Joe Klee may not still be among us. The VOL. XXXII: NOVEMBER 2004-OCTOBER 2005 No. 8 issue of The Mississippi Rag contains an article titled "farewell to Joe Klee" and his reviews seem no longer to be appearing. There are several mentions of him in this thread and three pictures of him in Art's photo gallery (put "Klee" into the search box to find them).

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 08:54 PM

A few more names that maybe belong here -- most pictured in Art's gallery:

Jim Brewer
John Carbo
Peggy Compton
Al Day
Big Wally Friedricks
Iberus Hacker
Ted Johnson
Mike Jordan
Myrna Lande
Bonnie Koloc
Roger (Jimmy) McGuinn
Dave Prine
John Prine
Stuart Rosenberg
Ray Tate
Tyler Wilson

---

1 Tossi Aaron
2 Benjie Aaronoff
3 Joe Aaronson
4 Mike Absalom
5 Derroll Adams
6 Addiss & Crowfut
7 Mike Agranoff
8 Ted Alevizos
9 Clark Allen
10 Peter Alsop,
11 Casey Anderson
12 Arkansas Red
13 Alan Arkin
14 George & Gerry Armstrong
15 Jennifer Armstrong
16 John Ashford
17 Sally Ashford
18 Mary Asquith
19 Bob Atcher
20 George Austin
21 Hoyt Axton
22 Bruce Baker
23 Paula Ballan
24 Horton Barker
25 Robbie Basho
26 Peter Berg
27 Roy Berkeley
28 Marcia Berman
29 Leon Bibb
30 Theodore Bikel
31 Bill & Livia
32 Roy Book Binder
33 Ann Bird/Byrd
34 Blind Blake
35 Richard Blaustein
36 Ralph Blizzard
37 Allan Block
38 Mike Bloomfield
39 David Blue (David Cohen)
40 Geoff Bodenham
41 Ray Boguslav
42 Buddy Bohn
43 Bill Bonyun
44 Hank Bradley
45 Jim Brentano
46 Jim Brewer
47 Anne Briggs
48 Judy Bright
49 George Britton
50 Jamie Brockett
51 Saul Broudie
52 Bill Brown
53 Dennis Brown
54 Fleming Brown
55 Toni Brown
56 Tedd Browne
57 Ian Buchanan
58 Tim Buckley
59 Buckwheat
60 Bud & Travis (Edmonson)
61 Valucha Buffington
62 June Bugg
63 Sandy Bull
64 Don Burnham
65 Martha Burns
66 Howie Bursen
67 Allan Burton
68 Doug Bush
69 Phil Buss
70 Anne Byrd
71 Rolf Cahn
72 Dick Cameron
73 Lindsay Cameron
74 Alex Campbell
75 Guy & Candie Carawan
76 John Carbo
77 Peter Carbone
78 Bob Carey
79 "Ti Jean" Johnnie Carignan
80 Shlomo Carlbach
81 Pat Chamberlain
82 Len Chandler
83 Clifton Chenier
84 Marilyn Child
85 Charlie Chin
86 Bill Chipman
87 William Clausen
88 John Clay
89 Paul Clayton
90 Ray Clayton
91 Bill Clifton
92 Adam Cochran
93 Bruce Cockburn
94 Andy Cohen
95 David Cohen (David Blue)
96 John Cohen
97 Sharon Colen
98 Jimmy Collier
99 Earl Collins
100 Bob Coltman
101 Peggy Compton
102 Brian Cookman
103 Pat Cooksey
104 Mike Cooper
105 Xavier Coudril
106 Pam Coulihan
107 the Country Gentlemen
108 Chris Couveau
109 John Cowles
110 Joe Craven
111 Slim Critchlow
112 Al Cromwell
113 Steve Culver
114 Sis Cunningham
115 Jeff Dale
116 Karen Dalton
117 Shoshanna Damari
118 Allan Dameron
119 Allen Damron
120 Barbara Dane
121 Charlotte Daniels
122 Erik Darling
123 Brent Davey
124 Diane Davidson
125 Jeff Davis
126 Patti (Reagan) Davis
127 Tim Dawe
128 Jim Dawson
129 Al Day
130 Tom Deacon
131 Peter Debin
132 Rich Dehr
133 Bill Destler
134 Justin Devereaux
135 Hazel Dickens
136 Alex Dobkin
137 Bonnie Dobson
138 Terry Dolan
139 Ted Donlan
140 Mark Dorinson
141 K.C. Douglas
142 Paul Downes
143 Livia Drapkin
144 Crane Driver
145 John Dunkerley
146 Willie Dunn
147 Josh Dunson
148 John Dwyer
149 Richard Dyer-Bennett
150 Snooks Eaglin

151 John Eberhart
152 Joe Elias
153 Rambling Jack Eliot
154 Logan English
155 Rick Epping
156 Jerry Epstein
157 Sam Eskin
158 Billy Faier
159 Richard Farina
160 Bruce Farwell
161 Luke Faust
162 Pete Feldmann
163 Julie Felix
164 Freddy Fender
165 Don Firth
166 Judy Flenniken
167 John Foley
168 Pat Foster
169 Eric Frandsen
170 Jackson C. Frank
171 Ray Frank
172 Dave Frederickson
173 Marshal Freedland
174 Ruthann Friedman
175 Big Wally Friedricks
176 Alan Friend
177 Jesse Fuller
178 Sean Gagnier
179 Eddie Gair
180 Vin Garbutt
181 Peter & Isabelle Gardiner
182 Amos Garrett
183 Pat Garvey
184 The Gateway Singers
185 Paul Geremia
186 Freddie Gerlach
187 Alice Gerrard
188 Thom Ghent
189 Denis Gibbons
190 Bob Gibson
191 Jackie Gibson
192 Lisa Gilkyson
193 Terry Gilkyson
194 Kenny Girard
195 Dottie Gittleson
196 Tom Glaser
197 Dick Glass
198 Lynn Gold
199 Barry Goldberg
200 The Goldcoast Singers
201 Cynthia Gooding
202 Ruthie Gordon
203 Louis Gossett
204 Klaus Van Graft
205 Red Grammer
206 Dan Gravas
207 Arvella Gray
208 Peter Greenberg
209 The Greenbriar Boys
210 Al Grierson
211 Bob Grossman
212 Roy Guest
213 Iberus Hacker
214 Derek Hall
215 Tom Hall
216 John Hammond Jr
217 Colonel Bruce Hampton
218 Clabe Hangan
219 Larry Hanks
220 Tim Hardin
221 Jack Hardy
222 Lee Haring
223 Bess Hawes
224 John Hayday
225 Joe Heany
226 Freddie Hellerman
227 Wade Hemsworth
228 Stewart Hendrickson
229 Judy Henske
230 John Herald
231 Johnny Herald & the Greenbriar Boys
232 Carolyn Hester
233 Bill Higley
234 Sam Hinton
235 George Hirsch
236 Moe Hirsch
237 Bob Hoban
238 Lori Holland
239 Fred Holstein
240 Tim Holt
241 Will Holt
242 Alec Hood
243 Doc Hopkins
244 Zylphia Horton
245 Sonny Houston
246 Ray Wylie Hubbard
247 Blair Hull
248 Joe Jaffe
249 Joyce James
250 Karen James
251 Stan James
252 Bert Jansch
253 Micheal Janusz
254 Ella Jenkins
255 Jim & Jesse
256 Flaco Jimenez
257 Joe & Eddie
258 Ted Johnson
259 Dynamite Annie Johnston
260 Bob Jones
261 Mike Jordan
262 Si Kahn
263 Danny Kalb
264 Johnny Kalb
265 John Kalish
266 Dodi Kallick
267 Kathy & Carol
268 Eric Kaz
269 Michael Kaz
270 Larry Keane
271 Mike Kellen
272 Joanne Kelly
273 Luke Kelly
274 Elliot Kenin
275 Betsy & Seamus Kennedy
276 Norman Kennedy
277 Dave Kenningham
278 Dave Kennington
279 Louie Killen
280 John Kirkpatrick
281 Rev. Frederick D. Kirkpatrick
282 Joe Klee
283 Borden Klotweiller
284 The Knob Lick Upper Ten Thousand
285 Tex Koenig
286 Bonnie Koloc
287 Alex Korner
288 Barry Kornfeld
289 Bernie Krause
290 Adam Kreiswirth
291 Al Kuda/Casey/Cooper
292 Jim Kweskin
293 Peter LaFarge
294 Steve Lalor
295 Myrna Lande
296 Penny Lang
297 Bruce Langehorn
298 John Langstaff
299 Willem Lankhourst
300 Gary Lapow

301 Terrea Lea
302 Donal Leace
303 Perry Lederman
304 Katie Lee
305 Rick & Lorraine Lee
306 Mike Leib
307 Perry Letterman
308 Jeannie Lewis
309 Ernie Lieberman
310 Bob Lind
311 Dave Lindley
312 Lingo The Drifter
313 Manse Lipscomb
314 Barry Lister
315 Marie Little
316 Gerry Lockran
317 Paul Lolax
318 Johnny Long
319 Jez Lowe
320 Bob Lusk
321 Roger Luzwick
322 Mel Lyman
323 Ken Lyon
324 Bill Lyons
325 Margaret MacArthur
326 The MacCalmans
327 Jimmy MacDonald
328 Spanky MacFarlane
329 Scott MacKenzie
330 Ewan MacVicar
331 Bill Madison
332 Bob Malenky
333 Molly Malone
334 Steve Mandel
335 Steve Mann
336 Jo Mapes
337 Marais & Miranda
338 Phil Marsh
339 Peter Marston
340 Sue Martin (or Robbins)
341 Bob Martin
342 Vince Martin
343 Bert Mason
344 Chuck Massey
345 Ric Masten
346 Tom Mayes
347 Jim McCarthy
348 Mary McCaslin
349 Mary McCaslin
350 Ed McCurdy
351 John McCutcheon
352 Carolyn McDade,
353 Kate & Anna McGarrigle
354 Matt McGinn
355 Jim McGrath
356 Roger (Jimmy) McGuinn
357 "Round Mound of Renown" Pat McGuinn
358 Fran McKendree
359 Joe & Antoinette McKenna
360 Raun McKinnan
361 Will McLain
362 Murray McLaughlin
363 James McMurtry
364 Paul McNeil
365 Paul McNeill
366 John Meeks
367 Mike Melford
368 Memphis Slim
369 Jerry Merrick
370 Jaime Michaels
371 Kent Michaels
372 Nancy Michaels
373 Jerry Middaugh
374 Micheal Miles
375 Reggie Miles
376 Adam Miller
377 Frank Miller
378 Alan Mills
379 Chuck Mitchell
380 Howie Mitchell
381 Chuck Mitman
382 Little Brother Montgomery
383 Serrafyn Mork
384 Artus Moser
385 Eddie Motteau
386 Bruce Murdoch
387 Ron & Nama
388 Fred Neil
389 Bob Nelson
390 Mike Nelson
391 Tracy Nelson
392 Lea Nicholson
393 Jack Nissenson
394 Rab Noakes
395 Don Normark
396 Mary O'Hara
397 Jackie Pack
398 Jim Page
399 Gabby Pahinui
400 Tom Paley
401 Red Parham
402 Roy Parker
403 Nick Parry-Jones
404 Len Partridge
405 Sandy Paton
406 Gordon Heath & Lee Payant
407 Drew Payton
408 Ken Pearlman
409 "Crazy" George Pegram
410 Ken Penney
411 Brock Peters
412 Utah Phillips
413 Nick Pickett
414 John Pilla
415 Dave "Buck" Polley
416 Shelly Posen
417 Pozo-Seco Singers
418 Paul Prestipino
419 Dave Prine
420 John Prine
421 Nancy Quense
422 Dave "Maverick Child" Rae
423 Ethel Raim
424 Obray Ramsey
425 Stu "Darsono" Ramsey
426 Willis Alan Ramsey
427 Jerry Rau
428 Chris Rawlings
429 Dave "Missing Keys" Ray
430 Dave "Snaker" Ray
431 Susan Reed
432 Mike Reedy
433 Randy Rice
434 Jerry Ricks
435 Almeda Riddle
436 Jim Ringer
437 Ralph Rinzler
438 Edna Ritchie
439 Margret Roadknight
440 Gil Robbins
441 Brian Roberts
442 Chick Roberts
443 Pete Roberts
444 Robin Roberts
445 Carol Robertson
446 Walt Robertson
447 Earl Robinson
448 Frank Robinson
449 Jim Roche
450 Rocky Rockwood

451 Judy Roderick
452 Jimmie Rodgers
453 Grant Rogers
454 Jim Rooney
455 Penny Rose
456 Art Rosenbaum
457 Stuart Rosenberg
458 Dick Rosmini
459 Alan Rotman
460 Peter Rowan
461 Ruth Rubin
462 Rambling Sid Rumpo
463 Mike Russo
464 Lee Ruth
465 Bob Ruzicka
466 Bob Ryszkiewicz
467 Tony & Irene Saletan
468 Beverlie Salmon
469 Betty Sanders
470 Micheal Saul
471 Sonja Savig
472 Norman Schell
473 Martha Schlamme
474 Rick von Schmidt
475 Helen Schneyer
476 Eric Schoenberg
477 Tony Schwartz
478 Colin Scott
479 Molly Scott
480 Dave Sears
481 Nicky Seeger
482 Mike Spoons Seeley
483 Paul Seibel
484 Brother John Sellers
485 Mike Settle
486 Anita Shear
487 Helen Shneyer
488 Paul Siebel
489 Effie Siegerman
490 Marc Silber
491 Pat Sky
492 Mike Slawson
493 Jay Small
494 Janet Smith
495 Michael Smith
496 Oriel Smith
497 Osborne Smith
498 Chris Smither
499 Kit Snow
500 Paul Snow
501 Leni Ashmore Sorensen
502 Dave Spence
503 Joseph Spence
504 Mark Spoelstra
505 Roger Sprung
506 Bill Staines
507 Pete Stampfel
508 Jack Stanesco
509 Doc Stanley
510 Fred Starner
511 John Stauber
512 Bill Steele
513 Alice Stewart
514 Poor Howard Stith
515 Mel Storch
516 Dwain Story
517 Win Strake
518 Michael Strange
519 Jennifer Sullivan
520 Marc Sullivan
521 Steve "Richmond" Talbot
522 T.A. Talbott
523 Gene Tambour
524 Chaim Tannenbaum
525 Ray Tate
526 Joan Toliver
527 Peter Tork
528 Artie Traum
529 Happy Traum
530 Ed Trickett
531 Harry Tufts
532 Gil Turner
533 Rick Turner
534 Ivan Ulz
535 Jay Unger
536 "Sonny" Vale
537 Woody Wachtel
538 Terry Wadsworth
539 Margaret Wagner
540 Andy Wallice
541 Jerry Walter
542 Jackie Washington
543 Fox Watson
544 Laura Weber
545 Eric Weisberg
546 Grant Weisbrot
547 Dick Weisman
548 John Weiss
549 Dick Weissman
550 Fred Weisz
551 Jenny Vincent Wells
552 Harry & Jeannie West
553 Hedy West
554 Laura Wetzler
555 Terry Whelan
556 Bob White
557 Gary White
558 Wade White
559 Dave Wiffen
560 Major Wiley
561 Big Joe Williams
562 Pozo-Seco Singers with Don Williams
563 David Williamson
564 Colin Wilson
565 Stan Wilson
566 Tyler Wilson
567 Jesse Winchester
568 John Winn
569 Elise Witt
570 Hally Stepherson Wood
571 Heather Wood
572 Nimrod Workman
573 Hal Wylie
574 Glen Yarborough
575 Gene Yellin
576 Jerry Yester
577 The York County Boys
578 Malka & Yoso
579 Steve Young
580 Oranim (Guela Gill) Zabar
581 Bob Zaidman
582 Henry Zapotnik
583 Dave Zeitlin
584 Patty Zeitlin
585 Bob Zentz

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Rowan
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 12:50 AM

Half the Melbourne Uni Mountaineering Club were folk singers in the 1960s, well before the onset of the likes of Brian Mooney, Danny Spooner and Gordon McIntyre. That was how I found out that what I was singing at parties and field trips was known by others as folk music. Come to think of it, I seem to recall Brad Tate giving a paper on much the same theme, and he was active in the 60s.

I haven't heard Bob Vincent on his mouthorgan since about 1968. Pity!

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 04:54 AM

That was me Rowan and Scrump.

Or maybe someone else!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Little Robyn
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:40 AM

Abby mentioned Alan Arkin. Maybe he's better known today, as an actor - he just won an Oscar!
But he used to be a lovely singer.
Robyn

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 09:01 AM

That was me Rowan and Scrump.

Or maybe someone else!

Well it could have been you Kevin - are you little known? If so, that would appear to clinch it.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 09:19 AM

Alan Arkin was/is indeed a fine singer. I have his album: "Folk Songs ... Once Over Lightly" Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 03:30 AM



There are a few hundred people in a better position than me to answer that!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 02:20 PM

"Do you remember Lindsay Cameron, the piper? Still alive, is he?"

Lindsay died many years ago. A heart attack in his early-50s if I recall correctly. Was a good banjo and guitar player too.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Philj200
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 02:54 PM

Anyone mention David Blue? His Grand Hotel is still haunting.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 03:28 PM

David Blue, the artist originally known as "David Cohen" when he made his debut on an LP with Richard Farina, Patrick Sky and Bruce Murdoch. He died some years ago while jogging in Washington Square Park.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Philj200
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 03:55 PM

More than some years ago. He played guitar for a while with Country Joe. I remember his wedding taking place in a Chinese Restaurant on Broadway in the upper west side of Manhattan.
    He was a big bear of a guy. I once worked at a luthier's shop where some good musicians hung out (B'way in the lower 20's), guys like Rob Hunter ... David came by often. He liked a 12-string conversion (from a Gibson J185) we were just finishing. And walked out with it!
    He did a gig downtown and returned it the next day. But it did cause a major (explictive delited) storm.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: pdq
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 04:17 PM

There are (were) at least three David Cohens, all played guitar.

David Blue actually changed his name back to Cohen a few times. Died as stated above.

Another was a studio ace in southern California. Many jazz people as well as folkies took lessons from this man.

Another one, David Bennett Cohen was a fine flatpicker from New York who moved out to California about 1965 and became the keyboard player in "Country Joe and the Fish".

       web site here

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Philj200
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:54 AM

The same David Cohen or Blue who wrote Grand Hotel played with Country Joe. I remember seeing him and the Fish at a sold out concert in Central Park.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 12:04 PM

Thanks, pdq, for sorting out all the David Cohens. David Blue called himself "S.David Cohen" for a while. To keep from confusing him with the guy from the Fish, Steve Mann would ask: which one do you mean, Country Joe Cohen or David Blue, New York Jew?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: pdq
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 12:57 PM

Here is a paragraph from Carol Kaye's web site confirming the third David Cohen as a studio musician in southern California (although he did teach guitar to some folkies).

{quote, Carol Kaye}"These are some of the musicians playing on your favorite past recordings, movies, TV shows:

Guitar:Rene Hall, Howard Roberts, Bud Coleman, Tommy Tedesco, Barney Kessel, Tony Rizzi, Billy Strange, Glen Campbell, Allen Reuss, Bobby Gibbons, Bob Bain, Dennis Budimer, John Gray, Bill Pitman, Al Casey, Al Hendrikson, Irving Ashby, Mundell Lowe, Mike Anthony, Lou Morell, Al Viola, Ray Pohlman, Arthur Wright, Nick Bonney, Toots Thielemans, Don Peake, Charles Wright, James Burton, Dean Parks, Mitch Holder, Mike D'Asey, David Cohen, Jerry Cole, Charley Chiarenza, Neil LeVang, David T. Walker, Larry Carlton, John Collins, Jim Helms, Al Vescovo, Louie Shelton."

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 01:05 PM

Norm Schell
Tony Robino
Janet Blair
Mike Fairbanks
Mike Orlen
Carl Watanabe
Bill Nixon

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: lisa null
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 01:23 PM

Hi:

Boy does this thread conjure up old memories --especiay of Tex who i knew quite well in Boulder (1960), I was a freshman at theUniversity (briefly) and he had just finished gunsmithing school. In Boulder there was another talented singer named Judy Roderick who I learned a lot of songs from only to discover, later, that they had come from Sandy Paton who had been spending time in Aspen. What a great musical scne Boulder was back then -- not just at the coffee houses and bars, (there and in Denver), but at the the University itself....both at the folk music jams and with the YPSL's (Young People's Socialist League).

Jackie Washington played in Denver at that time, and i think Dave Guth did too. later, when i transferred back east to school (Sarah Lawrence), I remember jamming with a wonderful folksinger named Carly Simon who played with her sister soon after that as the Simon Sisters.

As for Martha Burns. she now lives in DC and is one of my good friends.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: lisa null
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 01:27 PM

Oh yes, if there was one singer (who had a Folkways record) i would like to see from back then, it is Stanley Tripp of Vancouver. I wore that album out.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 02:37 PM

Ah yes, the Hedge & Donna thread reminds us of folk duos:

Hedge & Donna
Pam & Ray (the Claytons)
Bill & Renee (Bill Staines and Renee Beghosian)
Mike & Chris (later Orlen & Gabriel)
Williams & Vallen

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 03:46 PM

Hey lisa: MEMORIES OF TEX KOENIG
I met Tex in or around 1967. He was so New York and Village. Spoke of Bobby Roberts(Hey Joe), Dylan, Tuli Kupferberg(Fugs), Ginsberg, Hendrix, and was always laughing. We did some shows together, one where we came back real early, like 5 in the morning. I said "Tex, I'm baffed, I need to sleep NOW." So he said "O.K., I got one bed, if we sleep on it sideways, we can get a couple of hours, then you can drive home." So, I can say in the nicest way that I slept with Tex Koenig! It was such a wacko memory. Sideways in a bed with a 6'4" 360lb. New Yorker. Tex was always about food..."You know Bob, It's not a TRUE wop sauce if it doesn't have any pork in it." (All you Italians out there, he loved ya.) Gunsmith, we talked hours about knives, Randals, the Art. So, one night we went to Chinatown. We worked together doing studio stuff, it was called Soundbox '71. In McGill's studios, here in Montreal. So Chinatown was always the thing. We both studied AIKIDO with Max Villadorata here in Montreal. My girlfriend at the time studied with Lee Siu Pak, "Master Lee" Yang style Tai Chi Chuan. So, we're in Chinatown, and Tex had brought in some "Flying Stars", a martial arts weapon that is thrown. We're into the food and Tex whips these things out. Master Lee, who spoke very little English, says "I know this" So Tex, who is sitting opposite him around one of those immense tables that are common in Chinatown, passes one of the weapons to Master Lee by handing it to one of the approximate 15 people around the table, who one by one, get it to Master Lee. Mister/Master Lee says, "like this," and motions to throw the star, which slips from his hand because of some grease on his fingers from the food. I'm sitting next to Tex and this thing comes straight at us...but curves, and heads straight for Tex, who catches it after it bounces off his chest, and lands in his beard, nicking his throat. A spot of blood appears, a nick really.(Saved by a beard) Everybody laughs, especially Mister Lee. The "oops factor" in martial arts, where the guy who is supposed to have control makes one teensy slip. What a memory! We also hung around the Back Door, another club in Montreal. Tex got a job behind the coffee bar. I was opening for Jerry Jeff Walker, who just got a hit with Mr. Bojangles, and rides in on this huge Honda bike, he'd just bought after a gig in Ottawa...Others who played the club...Doc Watson, along with Merle, Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee, John Hammond, David(Maverick Child)Rae(a killer player), Jesse Winchester and many others. Club's gone now, still got the memories. Paul Geremia, my old friend/teacher from Providence was there too, Tex always called him "Pauly". So Paul tells this story about this gay guy who gets on a bus in New York with an umbrella, and forgets it while paying his fare. The Bus Driver, with the Brooklyn accent says," Hey Cinderella, ya forgot yer magic wand!" The gay guy walks up to him, touches him with the umbrella's handle and says," POOF, you're a piece of sh*t." You can only get this kind of stuff with Folk Music kids! Tex Koenig. I will NEVER forget him. Goodnight everybody. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 05:13 PM

Hey Kids! Don't wanna take up too much room here, but this thread got the 'ole memory going and I thought you might enjoy this. Reverend Gary Davis played the Back Door too. He's got this big Bozo guitar that he's using and I've got my '65 Gibson J-50. The Rev says, "Play sumpthin", so I start off with this riff, and he says, "don't you be playin' none of that Rock and Roll!, play the 'natrel Blues! He says, "you ain't from here, are you boy?" I go, no, I'm American. (The Marines had invited me to Saigon, because they thought I might be good at killing people. I thought playing the Blues was a better idea.) So Gary says "You know, anyplace you hang your hat is home." And, "All women are beautiful." You know, it took 30 years to realize, being blind, was he jiving me? But, no, he was going for a deeper spiritual truth...So, I take him for a ride in my trusty '60 Corvair, and we head back to my place near the mountain here in Montreal, where there's a massive steel cross that is lit every night. A Montreal landmark. I'm describing the scene to the Rev. and he just gets quiet. I didn't ever see him again. God Bless you Rev. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 08:18 PM

Some great reminisences there Bob, thanks for that. I was living in downtown Montreal at the time (late 60's early 70's) and saw many of the acts you mentioned at the Back Door. I recall a John Hammond gig where the audience, at encore time, was requesting tunes that weren't exactly firing John up so I called for "Hootchie Cootchie Man" and John says "That's my man" and launches into his great version of that tune. My slight brush with fame.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 08:21 PM

Thanks, Bob, for your posts!

We seem to be missing some of the blues folks but maybe because they were too well known:

Lightning Hopkins
Brownie McGee
Sonny Terry

And I'm not sure if anyone mentiioned "Mac" McClintock ("Jerry, Won't You Oil the Car")

There were a whole lot of folks in Ann Arbor and East Lansing but apparently no one in Michigan is posting on this thread. I may have to dredge 'em up myself!

Is Charlie King too young to mention?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 08:44 PM

"Oh yes, if there was one singer (who had a Folkways record) i would like to see from back then, it is Stanley Tripp of Vancouver. I wore that album out."

Do you mean Stanley Triggs?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 08:57 PM

Hey bobad/Charlie: Looks like I gotta write that book I was always thinking about. John Hammond is just great. We met at the Back Door. It might have been during one of those gigs, and strangely enough, I vaguely remember the incident you mentioned. We walked up the street during the break and I was asking him questions about how to get the vibratos he was getting. You think it's rubbing the string on the wood, but it's more like dancing on the string from the top like a clothesline/trampoline, a downward push. Just keep trying to do it, it will come. B.B. King's way is more on the board with the hand technique, and he gets that sound. The one thing, among many that I admired about John and Paul Geremia, was their ability to get that tone on the harp. Some guys used to dip the Marine Bands in water to get it. Both Paul and John can do it just like that. I just saw John in a video with him speaking to the audience. The years have calmed him down, he used to have a bit of a stutter. He was just talking away and it made me smile. When you have guys like John Hammond and Paul Geremia, who must have clocked millions of miles and thousands of shows...That's a "National Treasure" as the Chinese say. They, to me, are just as relevant and important as say, Robert Johnson. I should let somebody else say a few words. See ya. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:31 PM

Get writing that book Bob, you're a great raconteur and you have some wonderful stories to tell. Put me down for a few copies at least.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Seonaid
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 10:56 PM

Wow! Memory Lane is crowded!
Does anyone remember the Beers Family? Loved their stuff, but very few folks seem to remember them. Robert was the absolute king of the big psaltery.
Liz Dyer -- egad! I could listen to her forever.
Raun MacKinnon seemed a little embarrassed to be reminded a few years ago about the album she did when she was 18, but I still love it.
For "little-known" in the folk venues but magnificent otherwise, I nominate Barry Hansen of the '60s UCLA folk song club, who is now (I believe) "Dr. Demento."
Dave Elson of McCabe's was the first person I ever hear pick Irish jigs on the banjo. Smokin'!
Do the Wurzels count as a folk group?
Probably the most obscure group I ever heard (at either the Ash Grove or the Troubador in LA) was a pick-up band billed as the "Pseudo Mountain Boys". Their mandolinist later joined the Stone Ponies, and their bassist is a theater organist.
I'm sure I'll think of more eventually -- this is a great anti-Alzheimer's exercise for those of us over 60!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:03 AM

Another one of my inspirations growing up in Maine has been Edward "Sandy" Ives, teacher and folklorist at the University of Maine at Orono. He's responsible for collecting many lumbering ballads from Maine and Canada, publishing and recording them as well. I suppose he's better known for his academic accomplishments but he's also a fine singer and an inspiration to generations of students, including myself. He also wrote a wonderful book about the ballad "The Bonny Earl of Murray."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:20 AM

Do the Wurzels count as a folk group?

Yes, IMO, but hardly a 'little known' one, even in the 1960s, when Adge Cutler was still their leader. They reached the British Top 40 pop charts with "Drink Up Thy Zider" in 1967.

(Of course the Wurzels became even more well-known in the 1970s, after Adge's sad demise, and topped the UK charts with "Combine Harvester", a parody of Melanie's Brand New Key, written by Irishman Brendan O'Shaughnessy.)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:29 AM

Paul Geremia has also been know to dip his "harp" into a glass of beer -- Tom

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:39 AM

Since Charley Noble mentions it...I wasn't in Michigan in the 1960s (I'm there now) but some of the almost-famous folks from there and then are Chuck Mitchell (Joni's ex), Ron Coden (still around, still performing and a neighbor of mine) and Phil Marcus Esser (not sure where he is).
The Raven Gallery was a premier folk venue in Southfield, a Detorit suburb. It's been a very good restaurant, Sweet Lorraine's, for many years.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:42 AM

....ah, Paul Geremia....."I wrote this song when I was so lonely there was two of me....."

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 12:29 PM

My God. Here I go again... The year was 1963. Everybody was pumped with the Kingston Trio. Charlie and the MTA...Oh, he'll never return, yeah he'll never return, and his fate is still unlearned, he may ride forever neath the streets of Boston(Bill Madison, Bill Staines, Sword in the Stone). I'm in High School. Two friends, Jerry and Dick and we form a group we call "The New Bad Trio" aptly named because nobody in the group could play an instrument. We did have a guitar, which nobody knew how to tune, which, I guess was irrelevant, because the three of us didn't know a single chord. So we let Dick HOLD the guitar, I played the bongos, and Jerry stood there doing backups to my vocals. We did a show in front of the whole school doing Charlie and the MTA with me on lead vocals. Smash hit. Girls coming up to us, telling us we were great. So I said to myself,"wait a minute, this might turn into something." So I try playing the guitar with the loose as a moose strings, mimicking chords. Just making noises. I find a friend, who had a guitar, a Gretch. he was taking lessons, and the guitar was in tune, And, the light shines through. He knew a CHORD! The Holy Grail!. Well, I learned that chord, my figures hurt because the strings were tight like steel. But, it wasn't until the second week of February 1966 that I began to play guitar. In College I met another guy who knew 3 CHORDS! As I forced my hands to change from one chord to the next, a struggle. But hour upon hour of repetition, deep desire, and persistence got me to the point of playing a progression, A clear breakthrough. I played my first "gig" in the girl's dorm, so scared that my knees were hitting together, shaking. There was a coffeehouse. And this guy called Paul Geremia, was going to be playing there. I always carried a notebook where I would draw pictures of the chords, and later try to play them. I made sure I was in the front row when Paul began to play. When I saw that, it was like seeing God. I wrote in the book, "Forget it." What he was doing was way beyond what I could even write down or draw, I followed him out the door, asking many questions. That's where it all began, and I'm sure many of you reading this have a similar story. It is why Folk Music is important. It is why you are participating in this. It is beyond music. It is Life. From the sea shantys of the Brits, to the Bluesmen of the Delta, to the AUDIENCE. The audience is the show. The audience is the vital component that makes it happen for all of us who perform. This is why Mudcat is a great thing.
As for Paul, I choose not to remember the beer. I choose to remember the greatness and the passion, and the generosity of a great player who taught me how to play the Blues. God Bless ya Pauly. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 08:09 PM

Lawdy, Lawdy, somebody HELP me, Great God Amighty, I be searchin' for a rescue...back up the thread with the Cohen thing. We've already talked about the David Blue/Cohen, Bruce Murdoch, Patrick Sky thing, but there was also Bobby Cohen(session guy in Mtl), and Andrew Cowan(Stephen Barry Band), Leonard Cohen(a whole other thing). Is everybody still awake? And yes, pdq., Carole Kaye(a Monster Bass player) got it right. Howard Roberts, Dennis Budimir, Tommy Tedesco, Toots Thielemans, etc. right during the 1966 "Route 66" era were doing most of the work on t.v.. etc. I had the opportunity to meet Howard Roberts at a Musician's Union Seminar hosted by Frank Quinn(my Jazz guitar teacher). By 1971, I had hit the wall with the fingerpicking thing, steel picks, Dobro thumbpick. I wanted to advance my blues technique, so I got into Jazz. I had to stop with fingerpicking, and take up the flatpick, like a junkie giving up the needle. Frank would run me through the Berklee Jazz course, one time with me sweating, (Frank could play the guitar either left or right handed. Frightening.) "What chord is THAT?" I didn't know. He had walked me through the harmonic jungle so far, that if would have asked me my name, I wouldn't have been able to tell him. So, I'm looking at the chord and I don't know what it is. He says, "C". I look again and he's right. The old C chord EVERYBODY in Folk uses! CEGC. I go, man, can I do this? You see, the world of Folk and musician's everywhere were all intertwined. Like ships passing in the night, everybody ran across everybody at one point or another. Well, almost. So this seminar things coming up with Howard Roberts. I go to see Fred Torak, one of the few geniuses I've met. Perfect Pitch. He was the one they would call when The Ice Capades were in town, and needed somebody who could cut the parts fast. I show up with John McLaughlin's "Birds of Fire" album, and play it for Fred, who before my eyes, starts to write out the music. WHILE IT IS PLAYING! Astonishing, Black notes on paper, FAST, like a typewriter! We go to the Seminar that Howard Roberts is giving. A humble guy. He says" You know, I won the 1958 DownBeat Poll for Best Jazz Guitarist and I knew ONE scale." It was that pentatonic thing everybody uses in Blues, Hendrix, everybody. So, Howards on stage and he has this folk guitar that got cracked, so he had it rebuilt with an F-top. Dark colored. He says, "you know, as session guys, you are going to have to be able to hear the individual notes within a chord." He turns his back to the audience and strums a chord. Torak goes, E minor 7 Flat 5! The whole room looks at Fred and Howard says, Right! But just to tell you, there will always be the Fred Toraks, David(Maverick Child)Raes, and the David Brombergs out there...Folkies. Ha Ha Ha Hee Hee. So I take a walk with Howard (I take lots of walks, following Mr. Lee's(back up the thread) advice, " be the fool, you can know." Which means, learn from EVERYBODY who will teach you.) Howard tells me the boys in L.A., the crowd that pdq mentioned were pushing the music as far as it could go during the era, and that he was working on his next album, called "Equinox Express Elevator" where they were using Orange Squeezers(a compressor), and envelope followers and every other trick the big studios had at the time to come up with an album the likes of which, nobody had ever heard before(shades of Joe Meek. Brits gotta know) MASSIVE sound, deep delays, rotary speakers, everything. Got to keep to the theme of the thread here. Sandy Bull, Oud, middle eastern influences, EVERYBODY had that. Must have listened to that til it wore out. Mike Bloomfield, among the deadliest, had to have touched just about everybody. Clapton=Clapton. You will be able to hear the genius if you get quiet with it. It's what he's playing, but it's also what he's not playing, like Miles. Boring? Not in my world. Ewan McColl, for sure. Kudos to all the Brits, Peter Green, Clapton, Alexis Koerner, Roger(Jim)McGuinn(who I opened for at The Golem.) Hands down, the best acoustic folk performance that I have ever seen. Nearly two hours of hit after hit. Did he write THAT? Yep.) Anyhound, if it wasn't for the Brits(so many) kicking in with their Love of the Blues, it just would not have been the same. Tex is back in at this point. Chinatown. I say to Howard. Bet you like Chinese food. "How did you know?" Easy, Musician! Only place open til 4am besides the Delis. Into the night. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 12:08 PM

Come hear a guaranteed 100% authentic little known New York folksinger from the 1960s in person this very same evening! If you missed him at the Broadside hoots and at the Gerdes Folk City hootenanny nights, if you didn't get to hear him at the South Street Seaport or outside the gates of Fort Dix, if you didn't catch him at a coffee house in Queens or on Long Island, if you failed to notice him at the Four Winds and the other pass-the-basket houses in Greenwich Village, and if you never heard him on Izzy Young's or Bob Fass's shows on WBAI-FM, now it the chance you have been waiting 40 years for! Also come celebrate the release of I've Been Up On the Mountain, his newest CD!

Steve Suffet
Old Fashioned Folksinger
Accompanied by MacDougal Street Rent Party at the
Peoples' Voice Cafe
Workmen's Circle Building
45 East 33rd Street
New York City
Tonight • Saturday • March 10, 2007
8:00 PM • Doors open 7:30 PM

Also appearing...

Holly GoAnarchy
Anarcho-Feminist Folksinger-Songwriter

Suggested admission: $12.
Peoples' Voice Cafe and Workmen's Circle members: $9.
TDF vouchers accepted. No one turned away for lack of money.
For information, please call 212-787-3903.

Be there!

Please.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: lisa null
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 07:54 PM

Bob Ryszkiewicz: Thanks so much for sharing the reminiscences about Tex. I do remember how he was not only a mountain of a man but how much he loved the martial arts-- philosophically as well as physically. In Colorado, in 1960, he was big and strong but not overwhelming in personality or size -- all that was left to come. What he was was a serious singer and thinker with a lot of good songs.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: lisa null
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 07:57 PM

Thanks to "Guest" for reminding me that Stalnley Tripp was actually Stanley Triggs. I heard his folkways record in 1960 and really loved it. Anyone know what happened to him? he belongs on this list!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Alamosa Bill
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 08:39 PM

I would like to report the passing of one of the finest i2 string guitarists, Mark Spoelstra, on Feb 25th 2007. To read more about Mark, his website is www.markspoelstra.net

Spent lots of time at the old Club 47 in Cambridge, Ma. Was there when Tim Hardin blew into town and Dayle Stanley let him do a couple of sets between her sets. Tim was great and is missed.

Alice Stuart is still performing around Seattle & th Pacific Northwest.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 10 Mar 07 - 09:30 PM

There must be some kinda HOOT goin' on at a new coffeehouse in heaven. Mark Spoelstra's passing was noted in another thread as well. Then Eric Von Schmidt, Tex Koenig, John Foley, Lindsay Cameron, Artie Gold(Classical Music expert). Most of those I just heard about. I wonder if it's pass the hat up there. I do know that John probably started it, and that Tex has already found the best Chinese Restaurant. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 01:21 AM

Greetings:

My gig last night in New York City went really well and there was a pretty decent turnout, especially since I was up against David Rovics at the Vox Pop , Alan Friend (another 1960s folkie) at the Park Slope Food Co-op, and a belated Purim party thrown by a woman who is very active in the local music scene. However, only one Mudcatter made her presence known. Thank you, Emma. I suspect there may have been one or two more. If there were any others in attendance, could you please give me a holler?

Thanks.

Next stop: NEFFA. Then it's off to the Jacob's Ladder festival and a mini-tour of Israel. It's hard to believe that 43 years after I first got up on a coffee house stage I'm still a little known folk singer. [grin] I'm certain, though, that isn't the record.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 09:36 AM

I remember many a night in Chinatown with Tex. He would never let me order , or even look at the menu! With him and the taxi drivers we would eat and schmooze till the the sun came up. I loved the places he took me to.. He told me once, "Never record anything that you can't take on tour." Which I think is good advice.

Mark Ross

PS Hello Lisa Null, I haven't seen you in over 30 years.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Mar 07 - 08:36 PM

I'm wondering if anyone ever ran across a Dave Greenberg. I remember meeting him in deepest darkest East Lansing, Michigan, back in the 1970's and persuading him to write out the words to "Walk Me Out in the Morning Dew Today" which I believe he got from Bonnie Dobson.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: lisa null
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:16 AM

Mark Ross!
How wonderful to be remembered by you after all this time.... of course, I have followed your long and itneresting involvement in things folkish. It's so much fun to "come out" on Mudcat and discover that the world of people who love so many things I love is still out there connected...


Hope our paths cross soon. Am planning to take up touring again after a hiatus of a quarter century!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Scrump
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:32 AM

I remember in about 1964, being in a folk club in London, when in walked this young guy with a guitar. He asked if he could do a song, and having got a nod from the organiser, he got up on the small stage there and started singing. A hush fell on the room as soon as he started - everyone there was mesmerised. The song had such powerful words, and he had a charisma that had everyone in the room transfixed. When he finished the song, there was a pause of about a second, and then the room erupted into applause, that seemed to go on for a long time, but was probably about five full minutes before it subsided. The guy thanked us and walked away.

Nobody ever saw him again. We never did find out who the heck he was.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:00 PM

I came across this thread a few days ago and have been tripping down memory lane ever since. I was a little-known folksinger from 1960, when I played my first gig at the Bohemian Embassy in Toronto, till 1966, when I returned from two years of living and gigging in Britain, only to find the folk boom had gone bust in Ontario. The Purple Onion had become the home of Luke and the Apostles, an electric blues band. The Village Corner and Gate of Cleve were long gone. The Fifth Peg was bankrupt. The Riverboat was pretty much hiring big names only (and I do mean Len Chandler) and there was no place left for a journeyman folksinger like me. One bar-room gig later, I was history. Maybe I'll be seized by an uncontrolled urge to share my Len Chandler stories and my David Wiffen stories and my Doug Bush stories, but for now, I'll content myself with adding a few more names to the list.

From southern Ontario:
The Chanticlairs
The Fernwood Trio
The Pioneers
The Sinners
The Perth County Conspiracy
Sharon Trostin
Cedric Smith
Mary Jane and Winston Young
The Travellers

From London, England:
Redd Sullivan
The Thameside Four (Marion Gray, Pete Maynard, Martin Carthy,
                   Long John Baldry)
Paul MacNeil

When I was little known back then, I went by the name Joanne Hindley-Smith.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:24 PM

Cedric Smith, of course, went on to the role of the father on "Road to Avonlea" for a number of years.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 07:16 PM

Let's see, Owen McBride and Sarah Gray used to hang out with Friends of Fiddlers Green in Toronto back in the late 1960's. A whole group of them came storming into East Lansing for a concert at the folk club at Michigan State University, a tape of which I've been mining for years. What an evening!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 07:39 PM

From the Bay Area: Mad Michael Hunt. Yes, Mike Hunt. His real name. Very funny guy. Played 12-String.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 02:46 PM

Mike Hunt? The guy who wrote "Giovanni Batista Montini"? Yeah, he was pretty funny.

How about Lisa Kindred? She was pretty good.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:00 PM

from over in rome italini
the cardinals never say nope
to giovanni montini the pope

didn't he also write my baby died this morning? and silicone?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:05 PM

Did anyone mention Ken Bloom, the multi-instrumentalist? Anyone know what he's been up to the last twenty-five years or so?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 06:28 PM

"Giovanni", yes indeed, Mike Hunt write that one. And this classic:
It stood 60 feet wide and 20 feet tall
Sixteen catalogues hung on the wall
The half-moon on the door was carved with pride
And the holes in the seats were 3 feet wide in
Big John (great big John)
Played many nights with the lad at the old Lion's Share in Sausalito. Until it burned down. Then we didn't play there anymore.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: JZ
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 02:20 AM

Glad to see a few folks mention singer-songwriter-guitarist and pianist Raun MacKinnon!!! She was a teacher of mine, (and a mega-influence on my writing and playing) from the ol' Guitar Workshop days on Long Island. Jeff Warner, Jeff Davis, Charlie Chin, Marty Cutler, Paul Brady (of Planxty, and far from unknown!)the list goes on and on... Paul Kaplan's up in Amhurst, MA. Great singer-songwriter and
folk musician.

Also from Long Island, Bruce Morganheim, who wrote the song "Circle of Light" and many others. He played guitar, fiddle, banjo, viola... I was a very obscure 60's singer songwriter and folkie playing on LI and NYC in the late 60's-70's-80's and then some... So was/is Robin Greenstein, and Cecilia Kirtland. We were Raun MacKinnon's students and products of The Guitar Workshop. I still play some of Raun's songs.

Only one person in this thread has mentioned Jim Dawson- I just saw him at a house concert in Brooklyn in January. He has a new CD out and it's wonderful.He's a powerhouse of a performer.

This is question is a decade off-thread, but does ANYBODY know the whereabouts of singer-songwriter-guitarist Bill Priest? He was amazing. Met him at the Flushing Local Cofeehouse, he was a close friend of Lucinda Williams'. We played some gigs together in the 70's-early 80's on the NYC Village scene, pre-Fast Folk, at clubs like The Banana Stand, and we did a whole weekend openning for Susan Osborne at Folk City. He was from Texas originally, and left NY to go back there. Bill Priest was his stage name. The Song Project (Lucy Kaplansky, Martha P. Hogan, Tom Intondi, Jerry Devine)covered one of his songs, "Tupelo Rain". Will somebody please tell him Judith Zweiman's lookin' for him? Blessings to you all and thanks for a fascinating read!- JZ

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 01:47 PM

Anybody remember:

Humphrey and the Dumptrucks was a terrific jug-bluegrass band out of Saskatoon in the late-'60s. They lasted through the mid-'70s or so;

Diana Marcovitz was a quirky songwriter from Montreal who was based out of New York City for a while and then disappeared;

Alexandre Zelkine, a guitar-playing baritone from Russia via France and Canada who sang folk songs from all over the world in the '60s and early-'70s.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Abby Sale
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 02:21 PM

For Bay Area readers only:

Any recolection of a SF union song (etc) singer named Carl? He was about the leading folksinger in the late 50's & later, I think.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 02:43 PM

I've been following this thread for some time. As I re-read it, a question comes to me. Over the many years, and the hundreds (thousands?) of performers we all have known, loved, and respected, why is it that there are so few that "really made it?"

Of course the first questions is: what do we mean when we ask ... "really made it?"

Was it factors of: talent; drive; luck; drugs; bad men and wimmen; or something else.

I'll offer my own VERY personal experience here as an example of what "making it" means to ME!

I'll be 70 next month. Within the next two weeks, I'll succeed in holding my very first quality recording in my hand. I will be singing a solo concert, which will present this CD to the world.

As "Bride Judy" said to me last night when I was writing and re-writing song credits: "You've been working FOR this all your life!" And of course she is correct.

As I write this now, I wonder where Don McCalister, Terry Wadsworth, David Spence, and many others ... could have gone if they hadn't left us so early!

Good thread! CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 02:47 PM

Guest: I remember all 3 acts. Diana Marcovitz used to play The Yellow Door. Alexandre Zelkine as well. Humphrey and the Dumptrucks were more Western Canada, but I remember them as well. Disappeared. The only person that I know who might know is Mike Regenstreif(Folk Roots/Folk Branches)CKUT, Montreal. Diana was a wonderful soul. I've often wondered what became of her. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Coyote Breath
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 03:35 PM

I came late (as usual) to this thread. Anyone mention Paul Prestopino? played with Mike Bloomfield when the later managed the Fickle Pickle in Chicago in the middle 60's. He was with the Chad Mitchel Trio for a while. His Dad was an abstract painter of some note. Also Mike Slossen(sp?) (sometimes called Mike Castle), Jacquie Harrison, Billy Chippet (wonderful and haunting version of Barbara Allen, an on-again off-again brush arbor musician from the bootheel of Missouri). "Doc" Stanley who MC'd the open mic at The Poison Apple in Chicago. I met Mississippi John Hurt there on a Sunday afternoon in 1963 or '64. Doc got in bad trouble, something about a shooting. Lots of talent in Chicago and Milwaukee back then. Peter Stampfel, Rob hunter and another guy I can't remember played in Milwaukee under the name of McGrundy's Old Timey Wool Thumpers. Bill Ross and Sweet Billy Olsen both great five string banjo players. Bill Ross (Rossiter was his true surname) had been a Capuchin monk at one time. Married a gal from Mexico and they lived in Pueblo last I heard.

For a while Rob Hunter was with Steve Weber and Peter Stampfel as Holy Modal Rounders in the village. Rob lived in alphabet city in a walk-up most of whose apartments were shooting galleries.

Ahh... nostalgia!

CB

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Coyote Breath
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 03:58 PM

Hi there Erik.

As I once heard you: Blind Erik Flatpick. At the Drinking Gourd in SF. Glad you're still around.

Remember Herb J.?(Blue Unicorn) He's up at the Vet's home in Yountville, doing OK as far as I know.

CB

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 08:13 PM

Greetings:

JZ wrote: "Paul Kaplan's up in Amhurst, MA. Great singer-songwriter and folk musician." Absolutely true, and Paul comes back down to New York City quite frequently. For example, he will be performing at the Community Cabaret of the Community Church of New York, 40 East 35th Street, this coming Friday, March 23, 2007. Also appearing will be Rachel Stone, Carl Sievert, and the Elegant Ivory Duo. Doors open at 6:30 PM and the show starts at 7:00.

JZ also mentioned Robin Greenstein, among others. Robin is still very much on the New York folk scene, after having done one stint as personal assistant to the late Hedy West, and another as a traveling promoter of Martin guitars.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 08:21 PM

The "Drinking Gourd" in the "City" was a great place in the 60's. Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 09:40 PM

DECKMAN: You already made it. If you can do what you enjoy, that's a Blessing. Did some checking for GUEST: Diana Marcovitz went to New York, then to Israel, got married along the way and became Danya Bokenboim, a writer. ERIC FRANDSEN: aka "Fastblind" Eric Frandsen, I remember Big John, the "Fastblind" comes from Tex. God Bless him. bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 17 Mar 07 - 10:35 PM

Yeah, I'd forgotten about "Fastblind," but the "Blind Erik Flatpick" tag was hung on me by Ruthann Friedman, probably because I was and am a fingerpicker. Herb Jaeger? Glad he's still with us. How 'bout Mike Heintz, Tom Meisenheimer, Jon Toly (his sister Signe was the first girlsinger with the Airplane, replaced by Grace Slick), all of whom used to play together under various noms du stage, many times at the Zodiac on Fillmore St. The Drinking Gourd, eh? Right next to Stu Goldberg's Marina Music. ("When you need a guitar see Smilin' Stu--he gives credit where credit is due." My first jingle.) Used to teach guitar there with Sam Andrew, Eddie Ellison, and for a very brief time Elmer Snowden(!).

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 02:24 PM

"Diana Marcovitz went to New York, then to Israel, got married along the way and became Danya Bokenboim, a writer."

Diana went home to Montreal for quite a few years in between her time in New York and moving to Israel. Her name is now Danya *Boksenboim*, not Bokenboim.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 07:56 PM

Thanks Peter...

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 02:51 PM

There was Tom & Jerry, a couple of high school kids from Queens who were pretty good in the early sixties.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 02:55 PM

Did they play some basket houses in the Village?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 03:15 PM

I think Tom & Jerry went on to become Simon & Garfunkel.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 03:20 PM

LOL

Yeah, thanks Mark. So who were the two guys who did a duet, both sang and played guitar? Y'ad see 'em often in the ZigZag. One of the fellows ended up getting a letter from his Uncle and he went to SE Asia. Don't know about the other guy. They were really good. Great harmonies and clean flat picking. Ring any bells with you?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 05:49 PM

So the Tom and Jerry thing was a joke - right? I imagine everyone taking part in this thread knows that tidbit from the earlier history of Simon and Garfunkle.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 05:56 PM

Not me. I thought it was the two guys I'm asking Mark about, not Simon and Garfunkel.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:02 PM

Sorry, Peace, I thought you were just carrying on the joke. Sometimes it's hard to know for sure without those smiley faces.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 11:56 AM

How about Judy Mayhan? The Sorry Muthas? Keith Sykes? George Gerdes?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 05:17 PM

George Gerdes has lived in LA for many years, acting and still writing great songs. When he hits town we get together and drink. For a change.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,celticblues5
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 09:46 PM

Just discovered this thread & started reading through it with a notepad in my hand. :-)

Sure wish more folks would add a little blurb about the type of music each person makes/made, rather than just listing a dozen or so names!

With so many names, there's no way one could try to hunt down albums from every one. It would be helpful to be able to start with those who work in a genre/style I'm more certain that I would enjoy.

I don't know if he was playing as early as the 60s, but in the 70s in Kansas City we loved going to see Danny Cox - blues/folkblues. We always thought he should have had more recognition.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 10:12 PM

.....and let's not forget Julius Lester.....

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 10:09 AM

How about Danny Farmer, Sean Gagnier, Ronney Abramson, Rings & Things?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 10:25 AM

Thanks, Balladeer! You brought back some more memories with your list. I wonder if we could ever remember them all. There were some great performers in those days, including yourself, and a damned shame that some of them never got recorded back then.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 10:28 AM

Chris Rawlings, Montreal

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 10:41 AM

Not to mention Andy Vine. He picked me up hitch-hiking once - I'm trying to remember if I ever actually heard him perform, and why I associate him with Chris Rawlings ...

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 01:39 PM

Chris Rawlings, yeah: It's only six miles to the Pearl River Turnaround, never very far in the sun or the rain, if you don't turn back at the Pearl River Turnaround, never get back again.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:03 PM

Chris Rawlings: "Here Comes Juan Rodriguez": "...Some say he came from Mexico, where he killed a shoeshine man/ Strangled him with his shoeshine rag, said, 'We all do what we can.'" Juan Rodriguez was the music critic for the local fishwrapper in the late '60s.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:07 PM

Monte Dunn.

And thanks for mentioning Raun MacKinnon. Took me back to a night in Toronto when we were both about eighteen and we sat on the floor of her hotel room swapping songs till dawn.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Old Roger
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 05:13 PM

Biff Rose http://www.biffrose.com/

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 11:56 PM

Thank you, Janet in New Jersey for mentioning Laura Weber! She was my music teacher in high school. A wonderful person and wonderful teacher. She took our class into the local NET (former name of PBS) studio, KQED, San Francisco, and onto the set a few times when her folk guitar show was being taped. We got to sit and listen to her and Pete Seeger, Mike Seeger, classical player Christopher Parkening, and Elizabeth Cotton, in separate shows. It was a music education I'll never forget. I don't think she did gigs outside of her teaching, but I agree that she should be included in this thread, if for no other reason than to honor her as a great teacher, R.I.P.

Chanteyranger

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: ridovem
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 04:26 AM

Well, well... what a crowd! I was looking for a viola player that let me sing harmony at the U Miami student union- Ron Kickasola- and his math-grad buddy, Rob Rucker & I played at Myron & Joanie's joint in Coral Gables, in 1962, maybe? Ron put together beautiful a cappella arrangements... & I can still hear some of them. There were lots of players & singers around there, then- some that have been mentioned (Vince Martin, Fred Neil, Beverly St. Marie, Pat Lynch aka Sky, Tom Rush, The Crosby brothers- David & Chip, the Knob Lick guys- Peter Childs & Erick..? and a guy from Vancouver, Wa)- plus some that I didn't see in the various lists- like Vic Smith (whom I ran into giving lessons in Pasadena, maybe, years later). Bob Gibson was around, then- but I didn't see mention of his old partner, Camp. Bob had a grim one-liner to someone who asked him "what's Bob Camp doin'?" "Time," Mr. Gibson intoned.
There was a guy named Chuck that played Russian (& pseudo-Russian) tunes, who spent time in Arizona, as well as Miami. There was also a young guitar wizard who was all of 12 or 13, Johnny Mc..? who went off to play (with parents along, I believe) in Cambridge, someplace, in 1963.
When I got home to the NW in '63 there were lots of players that got my attention- Lynn Hughes, in Seattle (& later Bay area & Nevada), Jerry Murry (who expatriated himself to Victoria, maybe),Rory Condon (could be near San Jose, now), David Coffin (in Portland- & maybe the best unrecorded old folkie I know- introduced me to Skip James' & John Hurt's music in '65), the late "barefoot" John Hendricks, the late Nick Ogilvie- who traveled with Mel Lyman & their wives to the western parts of the Carolinas in the very early '60s to get a taste of "real music country"... & lived to tell about it-- Nick was incredible, indomitable, and often a big load of Trouble... & a beautiful cat. Eejim Manning played some folk & cabaret stuff in Seattle, around '65, then surfaced in NYC, rumor had it. Earl Benson kind of ruled Portland's folk scene for a few years... played with Molly Malarkey, and did some other ensemble work, but alone, with autoharp, was a joy to hear- anytime. Johnny Ward, who's still playing around the NW, moved out of folk & into blues, jugband, old-time jass, & has just kept adding instruments & repertoire. The PH Phactor jugband, which had about 3 different incarnations, included some of these aforementioned. There were some fairly accomplished folkies around Reed College in the late 50s-early 60s, whose names will pop up in my sleep, probably... guys who played the "No Exit" on Water Street (& other dives). I didn't see any mention of Phil & Vivian Williams here, who were instrumental, as collectors & archivists, of transplanted country music in the mill towns around Seattle from the early sixties & on. They were an important part of creating a Seattle Folklore society- and have played for over 45 years (as the Turkey Pluckers, with Barney Munger, who was from Ohio) & as "The Tall Timber Boys", after that. Phil Poth, Andy Aldrich & Don McCallister played some pretty good music together, way back when... Gene Gilleskie was part of the Seattle folkscene mid-60s, and Paul Gillingham was another. Billy Roberts, a very smooth balladeer, was pretty influential (I know I learned some guitar stuff from watching him play). Larry Vanover (aka "Mr. Jug") played then- and fixed a few broken instruments on the side- and plays on, today, albeit infrequently. There's a clip of him playing jug on U-tube... a tune called "Whitewash Station", recorded in 2001... Ok- 'nuf outa me.. Oh- except that there was this Brit around for awhile, back then- Peter Elbling- who was a gas. Had a French-canadian partner sometime, with whom he'd share playing one guitar... real music-hall stuff- another actor who could also sing... ^..^

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Mar 07 - 07:58 AM

walter greaves,the singing blacksmith,Ibelieve he used to cycle to all his gigs

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 29 Mar 07 - 05:41 PM

Greetings:

If you're coming to NEFFA this year, please stop by my Folk City Interlude session on Friday at 7:00 PM in Mansfield High School 103. I'll be performing the songs I learned from many of the little known folk singers mentioned above when I hung out on the fringes of the New York folk scene in the 1960s. You all know what Folk City was, and the Interlude, as I explained in one of the earlier messages, was an important coffee house near the railroad station in Kew Gardens, Queens.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,KenBrock
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 04:15 PM

Last week I got an lp for a little known 1960's folk duo I'd never heard of before - Jean and Doc (on Verve/Folkways).

:)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: ridovem
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 11:47 PM

A correction to an earlier entry: the Brentano that played banjo with Mike Russo (in Portland, Or) was Ron Brentano- not Jim. Another mighty good all-around player on the Wet Coast in those days was Peter Langston (who I believe was a transplant from the East coast). He's involved with the various music camps at Ft. Worden centrum near Pt. Townsend, wa every Summer... which is also a great place to find some of the old coots (& cootesses) who were strummin' & warbling in the bygone days.
My reference to Jack Harshaw of Miami, who was a regular performer at the coffee house in Coral Gables went up in the smoke of toasted troll, apparently... so I'm putting him back. He was a fine interpreter of traditional Brit material, and willing to share music, guitar "secrets", etc with youngsters such as meself- a generous soul...   ^..^

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 12:07 AM

Guest Celticblues 5 said:

"Sure wish more folks would add a little blurb about the type of music each person makes/made, rather than just listing a dozen or so names! "

I believe I may have mentioned Jesse Colin Young. You would klnow his voice immediately if you remember that song by the Youngbloods (1967 I think) called "Get Together" - it has the chorus that reads:

C'mon people now,
Smile on your brother
Ev'rybody get together
Try and love one another right now

He had a solo career after their breakup , well, still has one!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Wordsmith
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 01:47 AM

It's a shame I can't bookmark the spot on this thread where I had to leave off; reading a PC screen with a white background gets my eyes...of course, it's allergy season, too. That said, this is a great thread. Although I don't know many names on it, it certainly shows the breadth and strength of folk music. Thanks for the history.
A number of comments people have made brought back things I'd forgotten. While I was blessed to be in Chicago from 1968-72, I got to see many "name" bands or groups like Peter, Paul and Mary, Joni Mitchell, Judy Collins, Laura Nyro, it seems I'd forgotten Steve Goodman, the coffeehouses like No Exit that someone mentioned, and the fact that I played in two college coffehouses back then, reluctantly. I suffer from performance anxiety. Imagine my dismay at having to fill in for one of my friends who played the autoharp. I had just learned acoustical guitar a year earlier and once got to play a twelve-string during a protest picket-line..."Blow Your Horn For Peace" was one of our logos, and "They Shoot Students, Don't They?" (mine, btw)(re: Kent State and the U. of Mexico students)

The song I had to quickly learn? Appropriately enough, "Helpless." Not one of my favorites, especially after our performance.

I should mention, I took piano lessons for eight years, too, and I can play by ear better than I can read music, but it's been a long time since I've played anything. Let's not get into the 12 years of choir or the women's barbershop chorus I was in, either.

A truly unknown folk singer was introduced in 1971 at another coffehouse we used to frequent, since our stomping grounds was the Northside. The place was called Quiet Knight, and the guy who was sooo very handsome and sooo very good: John Prine. Lucky us!

Peace and goodwill.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: maryfens
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 06:00 PM

Happy Easter/Hannukah all you folkies. I finally joined Mudcat so send a message to me if you like.
I was part of the Boston/Cambridge scene in the late 1960s-early '70s and also in San Francisco in early '70s with some of the same folks. (Paul MacNeil, Pam & Ray Clayton.)
I hadn't though about that scene for a long time then suddenly heard from Paul M., Kenny Girard and Lesley Moore by e-mail.
Then Chris Smither showed up to play at a local club last fall. Hadn't seen him in over 30 years, and he still sounds great.
I am kind of enjoying the walk down memory lane.
Peace.
Mary

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 06:46 PM

"It's a shame I can't bookmark the spot on this thread where I had to leave off; reading a PC screen with a white background gets my eyes..."

With Firefox you can bookmark a link with one click, and it's easy to set a preference to overide a page's background color with one of your choosing.

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: pitheris
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 08:49 AM

Spider John Koerner

John is a walking encyclopedia of folk songs. I was fortunate to hear him play in the 1970s at Jock O'Sullivans bar in New Haven CT.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:04 PM

During 1961 and '62, I did a little involuntary time with Uncle Sugar at Ft. Lewis, near Tacoma, WN. The World's Fair was happening in Seattle, and many singers, including a mediocre yours truly, converged on the area. Of the home-grown talent, I fondly remember Nancy Quence, from Seattle. Also, clubs such as 92 Yesler, in Seattle and The End, in South Tacoma (run by a French expatriate by the name of Pierre Odier).

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:11 PM

Nancy is still very much alive and still singing VERY WELL in the Seattle area! Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:18 PM

Two names I did not see in the sea of messages, above, are Art Podell and Paul Potash. Back in the late '50's, they performed in clubs in Greenwich Village and put out at least one album under the "Art & Paul" name. I believe they were backed by Paul Prestopino on several numbers. Both later performed with Randy Sparks in an enormous group to which most folkies paid little heed, but which made scads of money.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:56 PM

To: Guest TJ in San Diego. Why don't you join and send me a PM. We probably ended up on the same stages together? Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:01 PM

Deckman: I am considering the offer. Meanwhile, I recall my roots in the Fresno, California area. In the late '50's Dave Barber opened a coffee house cum performance opportunity club called "The Renaissance" in Fresno. One of the mainstays was a fellow named Jon Adams, who is still active as a master storyteller and folk musician, based in the area. Many who were later part of the Sweets Mill folk camp scene in the Sierras, including the late Mark Spoelstra, were active here. One of my favorite memories is of Jesse "Lone Cat" Fuller, composer of "San Francisco Bay Blues," who appeared as an amazing one-man band. A former trio mate of mine, Lee Gilliand, is in happy retirement in Portland, heading a group called "Moondanse Trio," I'm told. Pete Everwine and Gene Bluestein, both english profs at Fresno State, were local performers, scholars and collectors as well. Sadly, this sort of club, where young people can get on a small stage and learn their craft without having missiles hurled at them are too few these days.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:42 PM

I enjoyed watching and listening to "Lone Cat" Fuller, singing on stage with the late Walt Robertson, at the "Blind Lemon, in Berkeley. I think that was also 1959 ... or was it 1859? CHEERS, Bob Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 05:24 PM

Correction: The guitarist who backed Art & Paul was the late Dick Rosmini, not Paul Prestopino.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,GUEST, Len B, Downey, CA
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 01:06 AM

I am astonished by how big the list of names has become, and also by how many names are still missing. A few that came immediately to mind were Tom Kines, Elizabeth Knight, Harry Jackson (artist and singer), Milt Okun and the Kossoy Sisters (identical twins Irene and Ellen). I could add dozens more. Perhaps later.

The Chicago area banjo player Moe Hirsch was mentioned, but not the other area people that appeared on a recording with him (Chicago Mob Scene, Riverside): Larry Ehrlich, Dean Gitter, Bob March, Pete Stein, Pete Stone, and Blind Bill Todd. Also on that album was "Samuel Hall", who was actually Bob Gibson.

The following quote appeared regarding Bess Hawes:

"Bess Hawes should be better known than she is (Alan Lomax's sister who in my view is as significant in some ways as Alan). Educator, banjo-picker and singer. With the Almanacs."

I couldn't agree more. Alan deserves his own listing, since he made recordings, both on his own and with others. Butch Hawes, Bess' husband, was also with the Almanac Singers.

John Lomax, Bess and Alan's father was one of the giants of American folklore. The field recordings he (along with John) did for the Smithsonian are priceless. They discovered many important singers, most notably "Leadbelly", of course.

I was very fortunate to be able to take guitar lessons from Bess Hawes in the 60's, on a number of occasions. Almost as wonderful as the lessons were the stories she would tell about the songs and the performers, since she knew just about everybody. Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, and innumerable others generally stayed at her house when they were in LA.

Unfortunately, I didn't have the talent that some of her other students had, e.g., Odetta. Another unmentioned performer (also one of her students, I believe) that Bess made some recordings with was Mickey Miller.

Finally, another ommission that surprised me was John Greenway. John was a professor at UCLA in the 50's and 60's. He wrote the book "American Folksongs of Protest" and made a numeber of recordings. In addition to protest, labor and union songs, he was an authority on Australian folk music as well.

John went to Australia on a sabbatical to collect additional material for his studies. In those days (things seem quite different now) most people, unlike American bluebloods, would not admit to being descended from Australia's mostly convict first familes, or to know much about Australian history of folklore. When he went into the field and explained what he was looking for, he was told that he ought to contact John Greenway in the States. "He's the expert on that subject."

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 11:06 AM

Somewhere around 1960, I went with a group of friends to the Ash Grove, in L.A. On the bill that night were Mike Seeger and his group and Sam Hinton, among others. I moved here in 1967 only to find that Sam was a local institution, based out of U. of Calif. San Diego. He just had a big going away party and moved into assisted living in northern California. A great performer and a wonderful storyteller and mentor who will be greatly missed. Free association is crazy. I just recalled meeting Bob Canning in Durango, CO, last year. He is now a western artist, a new career after recovering from a bad accident with a horse. He grew up in Orillia, Ontario (Lightfoot's home town)and was a folksinger there before becoming an award-winning movie director and producer. Keep 'em coming!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 02:08 PM

Others on the Ash Grove stage that night were Ramblin' Jack Elliot and a very young Jackie DeShannon (who was being billed as a folk singer)in her debut. Does anyone remember Pete Jacobs or Hadley Batchelder III, both of whom were doing the coffee house circuit on the west coast in the early '60's?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,GUEST, Len B, Downey, CA
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 06:12 PM

To GUEST.TJ: Your comment regarding Sam Hinton brought back some memories. He used to come up to LA occasionally to give some noon concerts at a major aerospace company where I was employed. These were arranged by his sister, who worked for the same company. Sam told me that he had at one time worked for a carnival, and had developed a number of unusual skills. Of the musical ones, he demonstrated that he could whistle a tune and hum the accompaniment simultaneously. He said that he could also whistle an ascending scale and hum a descending one simultaneously also, but he rarely attempted it any longer, since hardly anyone appreciated how difficult that was.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 06:33 PM

AND ... I was always amazed to see him put the ENTIRE harmonica in his mouth, close his mouth, and play the harmonica and the guitar at the same time. Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 07:04 PM

Deckman:

If that doesn't DEFINE a harmonica virtuoso, I've never seen or heard one. Amazing stuff. I once had a young employee who had worked in a couple of the early coffee houses in the beach area here. She was an old acquaintance of Tom Waits, who hung out on the streets here in the 60's and played local clubs. Her dad was a master cabinet maker from West Virginia and quite a guitarist. I was invited to their home for a little jam session once, around 1972, and found Sam Hinton in the living room with a few other friends of the family. That was a great evening of singing and sharing and storytelling - one of the best ever. That was the only time I ever saw him "swallow the harpoon," as he laughingly put it.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 07:26 PM

I first witnessed this in 1958 at a hoot in Seattle. Then again, I saw him do this when he gave a children's concert at Santa Cruz University in 1962. UnREAL! Bob

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: maryfens
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 10:27 PM

Does anyone remember Joanie Preston from the San Francisco North Beach club scene in the early 1970's?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Zaidman
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 04:31 AM

Hey Steve! Good memory .. the Interlude was one of the great informal music scenes of the 60s ... which Steve are you?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 09:48 AM

Anyone remember Kit Snow? I met him in Toronto when he played The Village Corner Club in the sixties. I believe he was from Carmel California. He gave me a whole new way to look at folk music.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 08:09 PM

Hey Duke: You must remember lots of relatively "unknown" performers from the Toronto scene. Has anyone mentioned Jim McCarthy? Balladeer

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,PK
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 12:03 AM

Does anyone remember a David McKinley that sang in the coffee houses in Boston in the mid 60's? Had a wonderful voice!

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 12:15 PM

By the bye; Travis Edmonson is still kicking down in Arizona. He has shown up at a couple of events; folk camps, etc., over the past few years. He is wheelchair bound. His old partner, Bud Dashiell, ran a guitar shop/studio in LA back in the 70's, I believe. He has been gone for many years. I still run into Nick Reynolds, of the Kingston Trio, now and again in Coronado, CA. He is retired, having trouble with his legs and hips, but still enjoys cooking. He's also a dangerous driver - ask the locals. The last original performing member of the Trio, Bob Shane, is retired - with some health issues - in Arizona. Various Trio members used to get together in the Coronado backyard of Nick's sister and brother-in-law for jams. John Stewart, Nick's nephew, Joey Harris, and others would drop in. This was an old home once occupied by Frank Baum when he wrote the Wizard of Oz. The last of those was probably in the early 90's or so. None of these guys were "unknowns," obviously, but there's an update, for what it's worth. I once told Nick how much "trouble" he and his mates caused for all of us young wannabe types, getting us started in the Folk way. His response, "Yeah; but wasn't it all a gas!"

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 10:13 PM

Yes, Balladeer, I remember Jim McCarthy. He was and is and always will be my favourite folk singer. Too bad he never recorded. Cal Winzey was another and Al Cromwell. Oh....there were so many good performers back then.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 12:49 PM

Not to monopolize the forum, but images keep erupting from the memory bank. Returning from Army service in 1963, and wishing to augment my knowledge of folk music, I took two "folk music as literature" classes at Fresno State from two very engaging and entertaining profs, both of whom had done extensive research in Appalachia and elsewhere. I had no idea just who they were or that they were considered particularly noteworthy. Turns out, Gene Bluestein and Pete Everwine (better known as a poet) were classics. Especially Gene, who collected, taught and performed for many years. His son, Evo, is active now. I'd be curious to know whether others knew, heard or enjoyed them as much as I did.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Amos
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:00 PM

Hey, TJ, welcome to the Cat. SIgn up and make yourself permanent! :D Good to see another San Diegan on board to defend the worship of perfect weather against masses of marauding snow-eating cats.


A

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:18 AM

The Adams Avenue Roots & Folk Festival, almost a goner after the organizer, Lou Curtiss, lost his business a few months ago, is up and running in San Diego's Normal Heights/Kensington area this weekend - the 34th year. It is all free! Some of those who will be appearing are Mike Seeger, Sparky & Rhonda Rucker, Guy & Candie Carawan, Ross Altman and Carolyn Hester, along with a large group of other, lesser known performers. There are many opportunities for interaction with the singers and multiple venues open all weekend. If you are in southern California, or can get there reasonably, come on down.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:48 PM

Duke: Didn't the Dirty Shames record when they were in New York?
And wasn't Jim still with them then? Balladeer

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,susan ruskin ex umanov
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 09:45 PM

and surely you all remember izzy young's famous poem
david blue, hows by you
still the same old new york jew?
aloha erik

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mark Ross
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:47 AM

Susan, how are you? It's been a long time. Where are you?

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 10:43 AM

Balladeer: I never heard of The Shames recording, but it would be fantastic if they did. I think Chic Roberts is still around. I have a friend who knows him quite well and I'll see if I can get any info.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 05:50 PM

Susan Ruskin: Aloha yourself, darling girl! Of course we remember
Izzy's poem. Can I send you anything from the old neighborhood?
How 'bout 2 half sour pickles?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 07:24 PM

Duke: Here's a quote from Chick's CD Baby site. (Btw, I've been in touch with him recently.

"In the early 60s, with his newly minted stage name in hand, Chick Roberts performed around Canada & the USA as a solo folk artist, and with Amos Garrett, Jim McCarthy and Carol Robinson as The Dirty Shames. Primarily a Jug/String Band, they performed an eclectic variety of songs from the country, blues, jazz and pop repertoires.

Come 1965, Chick and The Dirty Shames moved to New York to cut several records on the Phillips label (sadly, never released in Canada). Following Jim McCarthy's departure, the Shames enlarged the band by adding Bass, Piano and drums and became the regular band at Andy Warhol's club "The Dom" and openers for The Velvet Underground at the "The Gymnasium.""

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 08:17 PM

Mention of putting a harmonica IN the mouth and playing it while playing the guitar reminded me of "Harmonica Frank" Floyd.

I saw him in the mid 70s at the Smithsonian Folk Festival....he stole the show! And his red, white & blue shirt & pants were a special treat.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:11 PM

Harmonica Frank Floyd and I shared a gig/concert at the University Of Chicago in the mid 1970s. Bill, thanks for reminding me of him!

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,susan ruskin
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 10:48 PM

erik - if you see my 20 year old body maybe you could send it to me. i think i left it on carmine st.
hi mark - i've been in hawaii for the past 20 years, mas o menos. i have a bamboo nursery. same deal as the guitar store except we make all our own product. lots of the same clients.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,cat
Date: 01 May 07 - 01:52 PM

anyone know my uncle iberus hacker (from chicago and chattanooga)?

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 01 May 07 - 03:16 PM

Balladeer: That's great news to hear. If they recorded, the records might be available somewhere. I hope Chick is doing well. I haven't seen him in many years. Say hello for me.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 01 May 07 - 06:06 PM

Kathy and Carol are back performing. They'll be at the Ark in Ann Arbor, Mich., on June 20. The Ark newsletter says they haven't made an album since 1965. (I'm posting this as a separate item, too.)

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 01 May 07 - 06:55 PM

Yes, GUEST cat, I'm glad you reminded us of him. There's a photo in Art Thieme's gallery -- click on "Search" and then enter "Iberus" into the text box.

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,cat
Date: 01 May 07 - 08:57 PM

BK Lick, Thank you so much for responding ... I am trying to find out about my Uncle Iberus but unable to get to the link you gave(username & password?).... any info on him I would be very grateful to have... my grandparents (his parents have passed) and I know he was a preacher and an activist and i'm trying to find out all i can especially about his musicianship. thank you very much,cat

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: GUEST,cat
Date: 01 May 07 - 09:03 PM

i got the picture. Wow, just as i remember him (but i was very young)thanks!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 02 May 07 - 09:52 AM

I remember doing a couple of shows with Iberus in Chicago for the IWW.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 03 May 07 - 04:36 PM

Has anyone mentioned Malvina Reynolds, she of "Little Boxes" fame? I am reminded of that song every time I pass by Daly City, CA. The "boxes" are still there! I also recall a coffee house in Orange County, near Newport Beach, called "Prison of Socrates." Any takers?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: webby
Date: 04 May 07 - 10:11 AM

There was a really good singer used to come here (u.k.)From the states named Colin Scott. A really nice guy, came over every year to perform in the Midlands. Is he still around? The last I heard of him was 1974-75 Be nice to know if he is still around

webby

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,david gedalecia
Date: 11 May 07 - 09:48 PM

Jonathan Aaron
Mark Faurer
Nick Gravenites
John Ketterson
Perry Lederman
Mike Michaels
Dick Rosmini

       -- some better known than others, but all great guitarists, great musicians!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 11 May 07 - 11:51 PM

B.K.Lick

cat and I have been in touch by email and I told her what I know of Iberus Hacker--her uncle. In a nutshell, I said that he was a preacher, an organizer, an advocate for the downtrodden, powerless and homeless, fought for gay rights, civil rights, workers rights and many other causes. He enjoyed singing, but was more enthusiastic than good. In the 1970s, in Chicago, he was a big thorn in the side of the first Mayor Daley---Richard J. Daley. Whenever he asked me, I lent my voice to his many causes. Especially I recall one particular march and rally he spearheaded to fight hunger in town. It culminated in a rally at Bughouse Square --- itself historically important as a focal point for free speech and soap box oratory by the likes of Dr. Ben Reitman, Vachal Lindsey, Carl Sandburg, Mother Jones, Boxcar Bertha and many I.W.W. orators during the early years of the 20th century. I was honored to be singing there in that park too.

But there was a side to Iberus that was questionable. He worked with the Daley machine when it was in his interest, and that means when it meant funding his projects. Some of the funds disappeared, and fingers were pointed at Iberus Hacker----but I always felt the Daley people had it in for him and were trying to denigrate him any way they could back then.

The photo I took of him was in a small coffeehouse he opened up on Lincoln Ave. in Chicago. I was walking home one day, passed his place and stopped for coffee and some good conversation. So I took a shot of him. It wasn't a good one, but since it was the only photo I had of Iberus, it got included in my on-line collection.

I also mentioned to "cat" that because of some vibes I got from her uncle, I didn't want to get too close to him. Looking back, I suspect that was possibly my loss.

Art

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 12 May 07 - 12:21 AM

I just went back and looked at the photo of Iberus. I noticed a few other things:

The young fellow sitting to Iberus' laft, I believe, is Iberus' son. But I never knew who his mother might've been. I don't remember his son's name. At that time Iberus was sort of married to a gal half his age (I thought) named Ruth. Iberus had some different/unique emotional attachments.

Also, there is a mirror leaning against the back wall---about four feet high and maybe 2 wide. Reflected in that mirror and quite blurry
is me--taking the photo!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:15 AM

I haven't trawled through all 400+ postings to this thread so apologies if these were mentioned earlier...
I was watching reruns of old Two Ronnies on BBC4 - there was a trio (2 guitarists, guy in the middle with restrained afro like Ray Dorset used to sport)singing polite folkie stuff called New World- can't remember them coming into my consciousness at the time. Any info?

RtS

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 12 May 07 - 09:28 AM

I found this on AllMusic guide: they were active in 1970s tho':

Broad of collar and bright of shirt, New Zealand's New World exemplified the kind of bright-eyed, lightly sentimental folk-pop that threatened to devour the UK charts of the early 1970s. Pre-glam, pre-prog, and almost prepubescently harmless, the trio emerged out of British television's Opportunity Knocks talent show and briefly threatened to become their homeland's biggest ever export. Especially after the all-conquering combination of label-head Mickie Most, producer Mike Hurst, and songwriters Nicky Chinn and Mike Chapman ganged up on a generation's ears and soft-soaped them into submission.Between 1971-72, the New World trio scored four UK hits of note, each of which distinguishes this (otherwise over-ambitious) collection. "Rose Garden" was a moderately successful pop rival to Lynn Anderson's contemporary country number; "Sister Jane" is a compulsory singalong; and "Kara Kara" is an irresistible slice of rhyming nonsense that should have been their biggest record ever. Instead, that honor went to "Tom Tom Turnaround," the smash hit version of a song that the early Sweet also recorded, and a recording that producer Mike Hurst later admitted he hated. "It was everything I disliked about pure pop, right down to the execrable talking bit." In fact, the only thing that salvaged it in his opinion was, it wasn't as bad as "Kara Kara."The remainder of this collection trawls a career that, somewhat surprisingly, remained musically active until deep into 1973 — and long after the record-buying public had forgotten the group. For the chance to relive those early hits, however, The Best Of New World is exactly what it says and, so long as you don't want to hear anything else that the band ever wrought, it's everything you could possibly need.


RtS

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: webby
Date: 12 May 07 - 11:26 AM

further to my enquiry, a lot of people mention Colin Scott! where is he, us Coventry Kids would love to know if he ia still alive and kicking, Scotty if you are out there, remember the Sportsmans Arms
and the Gosford park Hotel, the Mercers Arms And the Turk Head etc. etc We would love to know if you are still out there, and if you are
PLEASE get in touch. We would really like to hear from you. Otherwise
Does anyone know of Scotty s whereabouts I would really like to here from this blast from the past

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 12 May 07 - 12:01 PM

Hi, Guest cat,

    Art just emailed me and had me look at this thread. My singing partner, Margaret Nelson, knew Iberus from working at The Great American Coffeehouse. That may be where Art took the picture. Iberus officiated at her wedding to Rick Friedman. Her recollection of Iberus is similar to Art's, that we was a mixed bag. Good community organizer, larger than life, and could be hard on the people close to him. Margaret's not on email regularly. Art said he has contacted you via email. If you want to forward a request to Margaret through Art, to me, I'll get it to her.

--Phil Cooper

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Arieh Lebowitz
Date: 18 May 07 - 10:28 AM

Robert Pierpont , a friend of a friend, is organizing a reunion of people who were members of or otherwise involved with the Young People's Socialist League - known as YPSL or often "Yipsel" - and I discovered this website. If anyone "here" is interested, just drop him a line. Most of the people who have responded so far I believe were involved in the late '50s, and early '60s, but the group existed quite a while before that ...
>> Arieh Lebowitz

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 18 May 07 - 11:30 AM

anyone heard of Mike Fairbanks and konw what became of him?......or Janet Klimoski?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Moleskin Joe
Date: 18 May 07 - 11:36 AM

Does anyone know anything about Murray Young, a singer originally from the West Indies who was around in the early Sixties ?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Martinez
Date: 20 May 07 - 07:57 PM

I remember the Chanticlairs from about 1964-65 in Niagara Falls, Ontario. I think they were Bev, Klaus and Joe. I wonder whatever happened to them.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 12:56 PM

Don't know if these count because it was in the Fifties, not the Sixties.

Bob Gibson, Jo Mapes and I were a trio at the Gate of Horn. Bob Camp came along later.

Sandy Paton, Valucha Buffington and I attempted to be a trio in Chicago around that time. It was an odd assortment and I think Sandy might agree.

Osborne Smith around that time played and sang with a drum in Chicago. I accompanied him.

Early on, in LA I worked with Odetta playing the harmonica in back of her.

Guy Carawan and I did concerts in the LA area in the early Fifties...some with Jo Mapes and Rolf Cahn.

Jo Mapes, Frank Robinson and Rolf Cahn did a memorable concert in the early Fifties in San Francisco. Often wondered whatever happened to Frank Robinson (an entertaining five-string banjo player).

Larry Sparks and Odetta at the Tin Angel in San Francisco.

Odetta was not a student of Bess Hawes. I showed 'Detta a strum or two in the early days.

Anyway, this is way before the Sixties Scare.
So I don't know if any of this counts.

Oh yes, Guy Carawan, Ethel Raim and Erik Darling were briefly a trio in concert in New York. The Villagers (?)

Rick Von Schmidt and Rolf Cahn worked together.

Jack Elliott, Guy Carawan and I were the "Dusty Road Boys" traveling through the Fifties South collecting folk songs and singers.

There was some mention of Pat Foster. I often wondered what happened to him.
I knew him in LA.

Yvonne Marais and Guy Carawan were a beautiful duo in LA in the early Fifties. She is the daughter of Joseph Marais and Miranda, one of the best "folk" acts heard anywhere and frequently on the Meridith Wilson radio program. The Marais's were famous in their time but never mentioned today.

Anyway, this was all before the Sixties so who cares?

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 May 07 - 10:26 PM

Frank, I feel a bit as if you're talking about the Gods of Mount Olympus.

I first got "hooked" on folk music in 1951 when a girl I was going with inherited a neat old parlor guitar from her grandmother and set about teaching herself to play it, and started learning songs from "A Treasury of Folk Songs" compiled by John and Sylvia Kolb, a drugstore paperback (and still a very good collection). I bought a cheap guitar and a copy of the book, and she started showing me chords. Then we took in a concert by Walt Robertson (he had a local television show at the time) and that really got me going! I met him a day or two later and hit him up for guitar lessons. I bought my first really good guitar in 1954:   a Martin 00-18 ($95.00 back then I felt like a junior executive with his first BMW).

In the early Fifties, there were a fair number of people around Seattle who were interested in folk music, and they were a pretty avid bunch. Sandy Paton was one. He went back east shortly thereafter. At the time, whenever you mentioned folk music, a few people might say, "Oh. Like Burl Ives?" But most people thought you were talking about Country and Western or "hillbilly" a la Grand Ole Opry.

Several people of note managed to make there way out here. Pete Seeger did a concert here in 1954, and it wound up with a party that went until 4:00 in the morning (including Pete). Guy Carawan made a couple of trips to Seattle in the late 50s, once just barn-storming, then a couple of years later to do a couple of concerts. Pete Seeger again in '57. In '57, I went up to Bellingham, Washington to hear Richard Dyer-Bennet (he wasn't booked in Seattle) and had a chance to chat with him for awhile after the concert. Very pleasant and encouraging. Then Bob Gibson and Dick Rosmini in '58. They stayed in Seattle for a couple of weeks, and a lot of song-swapping got done. Roger Abrahams came here a couple of times. I learned several good songs from him, as did a couple of other people.

The Gateway Singers did a concert at the University of Washington in the late 50s, and although the other three had to take off, Jerry Walter hung out for a day or two. One evening at a song-fest, he sang one of the nicest renditions of "Pretty Saro" I've ever heard. I tried to reconstruct it and sing it the way he did.

I'd heard of Rolf Cahn and Jo Mapes early on (learned some good songs from a record they did—Bay Concerts label), and through records, knew about people such as Paul Clayton, Cynthia Gooding, Billy Faier, and Barbara Dane. I met Rolf in Berkeley in 1959 and Barbara Dane a couple of years later when she and Dick Rosmini opened for Bob Newhart (this led to another all-night song-fest).

I met all kinds of well-known singers and academicians (such as Alan Lomax and Charles Seeger) at the Berkeley Folk Festivals, including Peggy Seeger and Ewan MacColl in 1960 and Marais and Miranda in 1964 (a couple of thoroughly charming couples!).

Around the Seattle area in the 50s there was Walt Robertson, Bob Nelson (Deckman), Bob Clark, Dick Landberg, Rae Creevy, Claire Hess, Patti McLaughlin, Mike Reedy, Danny Duncan, John and Sally Ashford, Ron Ginther, and several others that my memory can't conjure up at the moment (my apologies!). Some of these folks are still around and singing, and some have disappeared into the mists. Coffeehouses started opening in Seattle in the late 50s, and a lot of these singers performed in them regularly.

This incomplete list of local Seattle singers got started well before fall of 1958, which I (albeit rather arbitrarily, perhaps) mark as the beginning of the pop folk craze—the advent of the Kingston Trio's recording of "Tom Dooley" hitting the pop charts, followed by a host of other similar groups, ushering in "The Great Folk Scare." I could reel off another dozen or so, such as Paul Gillinghan and Don McAllister and Alice Stuart and Nancy Quensé who started out in the very late 50s or early 60s, and whose interest was ignited, not by what they heard on radios and juke boxes, but by local singers such as Walt Robertson and Bob Nelson (and, with a blush of modesty, myself), who were out and performing.

I also recall going to a Weaver's concert in Seattle. Pete had left the group by then, and they had another singer with them. He didn't see me because I was up in the dark balcony, but I saw and heard him.

His name was Frank Hamilton.

Lots of folks these days have no idea of the amount of activity that was taking place in the Fifties—and before that!

Don Firth

P. S. Susan Reed. I first saw her in a movie in 1948 and learned that she had some records out. Somehow, when the pop-folk fad got under way, she just seem to disappear.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,jonathan
Date: 22 May 07 - 11:53 AM

Anyone rememer Leonda Hardison? I think she was cherokee, with voice of an angel, and such beauty. She played at my parents coffee house, The Turks Head, in Boston in the early 60's.

Jonathan Comins

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 22 May 07 - 12:26 PM

To Don Firth:

I don't believe we ever became acquainted, and you were certainly ahead of the curve in terms of how you met and approached folk music. I was aware of the Weavers and Burl Ives and a few others as a teenager, in the early to mid-fifties, but I freely admit to being one of those "hooked" by some of the "pop-folk" music of the late fifties. There were two coffee houses in Fresno, CA in those days. Those of us who were habitues of one or the other started asking if there wasn't more to this "folk thing" than the slickly produced stuff coming out of Capitol Records, et al.

I had the good fortune to come into contact with some local folks who were serious about the pursuit of the real article. Jon Adams, who still does some performing and storytelling up and down the coast, was a sort of role model for a lot of us. Later, while at Ft. Lewis, in 1961 and 1962, I had the chance to perform at The End in South Tacoma for a time. I got up to Seattle on weekends, when I could, and had the chance to pop into places like 92 Yesler. I developed quite a crush on Nancy Quense, who made me look at the music a little more seriously. After the service, I took college classes in folk music and folk literature from Pete Everwine and Gene Bluestein at Fresno State, which opened my eyes a bit further.

I no longer perform, preferring to play for my own enjoyment and sharing with a few friends. My time in Washington was life-changing in a lot of ways and I thank those of you who might have been a part of it. I have shared the love of this music with my two sons, one of whom has obviously been influenced by it, even though his primary genre is rock. He still plays my old LP's and tapes.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 22 May 07 - 12:52 PM

Addendum:

Just where, in the great cosmic scheme, would one place Oscar Brand? I have two old albums of his, "Bawdy Songs and Backroom Ballads," and another with sea shantys, the name of which escapes me. Of course, he was primarily known, among testosterone-crazed teen boys, for his more-than-risque' material, like "The Winnipeg Whore" and "The Hermit," which showed up at parties along with somebody's dad's Redd Foxx albums, etc.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 22 May 07 - 01:20 PM

Jonathan Comins......I played in your parent's coffee house many times in the late 60's (assuming they still owned it then)......Mike Orlen

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 22 May 07 - 01:25 PM

Jonathan Comins......that would make you Josette's son?.....it's been a very long time and I probably got her name wrong....a lovely French lady.....

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 07 - 03:09 PM

TJ in San Diego--

Most of the singing I did in coffeehouses and clubs was at "The Place Next Door" (next to the Guild 45th theater—foreign and art films mostly—and owned by the same man, hence "the place next door"). It later became "The Corroboree" (Stan James, who bought out the business was an Australophile). I also sang a lot at the Pamir House. Pamir House was kind of a hole, but it was a good place to sing. They usually had two or three singers up front, swapping songs and playing off each other. The audiences loved it. It was like a party. And we got paid for it!

During the Seattle World's Fair in 62, in addition to clubs and coffeehouses and a few out-of-town concerts, I sang every Sunday in the afternoon concerts at the U. N. Pavilion, and I got to 92 Yesler fairly often. I did a bunch of guest sets there, but I didn't sing there regularly. Mike and Maggie Molosso were the house musicians. Maggie (now Maggie Savage) is still around and still singing, last I heard. Great voice!

The lovely Nancy Quensé is still very much around and singing actively. Still with folk music, but most of her musical activity is with the Medieval Women's Choir, sometimes as a soloist. They did a concert just last Saturday (May 19th). The music of Hildegard of Bingen, at Seattle's St. James Cathedral. Big. Kind of echoey. A great setting for that kind of music! In addition to the guitar, Nancy has also taken up the hurdy-gurdy and the medieval vielle.

Tacoma. I sang a concert or two at Pacific Lutheran University during that time, one, as I recall, with a lovely young woman named Arlene Flynn. Only once in a Tacoma coffeehouse, but that was in 1964.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Rosalie
Date: 22 May 07 - 08:36 PM

I just came across this thread and enjoyed the stories and seeing familiar names. Billy Vanaver seemed to disappear from New York City years ago after he & Livia got married. I heard about them performing and teaching in other areas. They will be appearing in New York City again November 16-18 in Eisteddfod-NY (see www.Eisteddfod-NY.org for details). Do come see them!
A number of the other people mentioned in this thread have appeared at Eisteddfod-NY in the last few years. I don't think of Andy Cohen as a little known singer from the past, since he is performing full time now and was the director of Folk Music Week at Pinewoods Camp (Country Dance & Song Society). He was a big hit at Eisteddfod-NY last year - blew away some high school students who were volunteering. Others mentioned above who've appeared at Eisteddfod-NY are Joe Elias, the Kossoy Sisters, Alan Friend, Hedy West, Steve Suffet, and Jeff Davis. Probably a few more.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 23 May 07 - 03:52 PM

Don Firth:

Thanks for that response. I'm certainly not surprised at Nancy's musical direction. She was always proud of her Norwegian heritage. I recall once, when we were driving near Ballard, that she said, in a mock accent, "Ten thousand Swedes crawled through the weeds - pursued by one Norwegian!" I don't know what she would have made of me - my Grandfather came from Denmark. I'm glad she is well and still so active. Hers was always a more intellectual approach, I think.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 May 07 - 07:05 PM

TJ in San Diego—

A couple of weeks ago, I was trying to find some information about the concerts that we did at the U. N. Pavilion during the 1962 Seattle World's Fair. I checked through the Seattle HistoryLink website and didn't find what I was looking for, so I started googling, putting all kinds of odds and ends into the search boxes to see what I could come up with.

And I blundered into a bunch of photos that the University of Washington Libraries have archived. As I went through the photos, I ran into one that just about blew me off my chair!

There were photographers all over the place, and we had to just learned to ignore them. This photo was taken at the U. N. Pavilion before one of the Sunday afternoon concerts as we were getting tuned up and ready.

HERE

That's me (with the high forehead) seated in the foreground, showing my newly purchased guitar (flamenco) to Judy Flenniken, young lady with a very big voice (the following year, she and I did several concerts together). She was interested in getting a guitar like it, which she did. In the background, I don't know who the left hand and banjo headstock belong to, nor do I recognize the banjo player. Nor do I recognize the lad in the background or the man on the far right.

But there, also in the background, and between the banjo player and me, is Nancy Quensé warming up (playing a D chord, it looks like).

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 23 May 07 - 08:05 PM

Hi Jonathan -- Leonda had left town ere I arrived, but I do recall a tale of Paul Geremia having to share the back seat of her car with a pet ocelot.

Mike - Arnold "Doc" Comins sold the Turk's head to Josette c. 1967, but subsequently opened another Turk's Head in Orleans at which place I shared a great weekend performance with Paul MacNeil -- Tom

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frandsen
Date: 24 May 07 - 01:44 AM

Paul Geremia and an ocelot in the back seat of a car in 1967, you say? Yeah, I heard that story...he did horrible, unspeakable, perveted, Rhode Island Folksinger things to her in the back seat of that car, he did, or at least that's what I heard...and when the State Police and ASPCA ran them down and pulled them over, "Young Paulie" (as he was then known) said that it had been such a long time since he'd had (as he put it) "a little pussy" that the whole thing was hushed up on account of the cops laughing so hard. That's what I heard, anyhow. I think Pat Sky told me. Really.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 24 May 07 - 04:51 PM

Don Firth:

What a shot! Priceless. Thanks so much for sharing with me. That guitar you have looks a lot like a Goya I had back then, complete with the double white scratchguards. It was lost in a fire years ago. Now, if we could just return to "those thrilling days of yesteryear." Then, again...

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 May 07 - 04:40 PM

Hi, TJ—

The guitar in the photo is a Casa Fernandez, made in Madrid.

I'd had a guitar made for me by Arcangel Fernandez that I still have. I knew it was an outrageously good instrument when I first got it, but then when I learned that Carlos Montoya had retired his Barbero for a guitar made by Arcangel Fernandez, I knew I had something really special. Later on, several of the top flamenco guitarists were using them. Back then, even top grade Spanish-made guitars weren't all that expensive, but you did have to wait a bit because they were usually made to order. I've had several rather breathtaking offers for it since then, but it's not for sale.

The "Arcangel" has a clear plastic tap-plates (golpeador), whereas the Casa Fernandez has white plastic ones.

I didn't want to take the "Arcangel" to places where it could be sat on or stolen, so I got a second guitar made by one of Arcangel Fernandez's apprentices. Fernandez inspected them all and allowed the good ones to be sold with a "Casa Fernandez" label. It wasn't quite as good as the Arcangel, but it was a darn nice instrument. Big voice—bitey, like a good flamenco guitar should be. Very good for song accompaniment. It became my "work guitar" during the early 1960s.

I don't recall what Judy Flenniken was playing at the time. It was okay, but not great. She heard my Casa Fernandez and wanted to know where she could get one like it. There was a place called "The Guitar Workshop" here in Seattle that imported Spanish-made instruments, and she got one there—a twin of the one in the photo.

Later on, I sold the Casa Fernandez to one of my students. Not happy! He'd only had it for a couple of weeks when someone broke into his car and stole it. A bunch of us were cruising pawn shops long afterwards looking for it, but it never did turn up.

The guitar Nancy is playing is a Goya G-20. Nice little instrument. She still has it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Angela
Date: 26 May 07 - 05:12 PM

Since I found his name here, might I mention that I have an album of Seraffyn Mörk, from my mother's collection. According to the bio on the back cover, he graduated from Harvard and the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts, and received the Folksong Award at the Int'l Eisteddford in Wales in '53. The record is "Of Love, Of War, Of Many Things Seraffyn: The Last Great Troubadour, and was put out by Columbia, can't tell which year. Looks very 60s. The guy was a freak.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lew Linet
Date: 28 May 07 - 05:10 AM

Diana Marcovitz is alive and well and writing songs, plays and short stories. She is also acting and directing. She is living and working in Israel and, when not dodging Arab rockets, she writes to me. I was her personal manager when she lived, performed and recorded her Columbia and Buddha albums in New York in the 70's.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jack Silver
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 01:17 AM

I just found this thread. What a treasure! So many friends and heroes - I camed out of California and moved to Boston in 1968 to play the clubs there. And I just played this memory game with Paul Geremia a month ago. Mary, if you really have a contact for Paul McNeil I would love to have it. The last time I saw him he gave me the pipe we had just uh, well it was long ago.
Boston names not yet mentioned: Bob McCarthy, Paul Rishell, Ragtime Elliot Kennin, John Compton.
Now some questions for the impressive panel of experts: Does anyone here know or remember Californians Ted Staak/Stack or my old bud Tim McMullen?
From Montreal there was a good songwriter who hosted the hoots at the back door. He played a song titled 'Soup d'Jour" that I always wanted to learn. Had a long beard and a blind backup fiddler. Anyone remember his name?
Valdy got past us, as did David Rea. They had several albums each.
How many of us have Pat Sky stories we can't tell?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 09:53 AM

If you're looking for Paul MacNeil, go   here.

Haven't seen Bob Mc Carthy for a few years. Same for Elliot, except for hearing one of his songs, "You Ain't Done Nothing If You Ain't Been Called a Red," by someone whose name I can't remember on an album I can't lay my hands on. I'll post again when I have time to look around some more --Tom Hall

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 10:29 AM

YOU AIN'T DONE NOTHING IF YOU AIN'T BEEN CALLED A RED was recorded by Faith Petric. Pat Sky is working for the Pest Orifice in North Carolina these days, I believe.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 12:35 PM

Friends: Just got reminded last night at Le Festival de Jazz de Montreal of Tex Koenig's walking with Bob Dylan (memories, "The Village," N.Y.C.) through Mariposa(Toronto) so many years ago. And how that could happen without anybody paying too much of a mind. Ah, the days of Peace and Love. Sadly, the conversation included the passing on of Scott Lang, brother of Penny Lang, "Canada's First Lady of Folk." Bless...
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 02:41 PM

From Montreal there was a good songwriter who hosted the hoots at the back door. He played a song titled 'Soup d'Jour" that I always wanted to learn. Had a long beard and a blind backup fiddler. Anyone remember his name?

The songwriter (now beardless) was Chris Rawlings. The fiddle player was Gilles Losier.

Friends: Just got reminded last night at Le Festival de Jazz de Montreal of Tex Koenig's walking with Bob Dylan (memories, "The Village," N.Y.C.) through Mariposa(Toronto) so many years ago. And how that could happen without anybody paying too much of a mind.

You're really wrong about people not paying too much of a mind the time Dylan showed up as a "tourist" at Mariposa. If I recall correctly it was 1972 or '73 and it caused such a commotion that he has to be evacuated by security from the Toronto Islands.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:33 PM

C.Ham: HA HA HA HA HA!!!. I didn't hear that part. Tex was a close friend, and the person I got that from knew him as well, and was there. I guess that little walk didn't last TOO long before somebody said, "Hey. Isn't that Dylan?" And then the S#!% must have hit the fan...Tex knew Dylan from the Village so I guess they met for a bit before the crowd took notice. I don't know for sure. I wasn't there.
Tex used to talk about Dylan all the time...Another friend gone to Folk Heaven. Anyhound(I think I got that expression from Tex, an old memory), Chris Rawlings was just over here at my studio on Monday, along with the rough edit of his new CD. We talked about going to that Ormstown thing that's coming up. He's in, for sure. And anybody that can memorize "Rhyme of the Ancient Marriner" and turn it into a 50 minute performance piece has got to be some kinda Folksinger, right? Yes, Soup de Jour, Pearl River Turnaround, all those songs... Gilles Losier was the piano tuner for Place des Arts( or at least in their doing it from time to time.) Gilles plays fiddle, upright bass, piano, and God knows what else. I haven't seen him in years. Once told me you can't imagine what it's like being born blind and then experiencing color for the first time(I think it was around 6 years old)A great memory. Funny I don't remember any Hoots at the Back Door. Maybe for a short period. That was usually reserved for top shelf artists. Tex worked the coffee bar for a bit. Do you mean The Yellow Door? The hoots were always on Sunday nights. The second floor near the fireplace was where we used to tune up before going in the basement. I wish they would have recorded some of the stuff that went on. It would have made for an incredible compilation album. You would have gotten artists "trying out " songs on the audience. Wish you well...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:39 PM

Hi Bob,

I never said there were hoots at the Back Door, I was just quoting the guy who asked the question. From his description I knew he was talking about Chris Rawlings and Gilles Losier.

I knew Tex real well. We both moved from Montreal to Toronto at about the same time and he used to call me up and arrange meets in Chinatown noodle joints two or three times a year. Somehow, I always ended up treating him. I miss the big guy.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:43 PM

P.S. I don't remember Chris Rawlings hosting the hoots at the Yellow Door. I remember Chuck Baker, a guy named Wayne something, and Mike Regenstreif (now the folk radio host in Montreal) before he started up the Golem which was more Back Door than Yellow Door in terms of the musicians and structure.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:48 PM

Chuck Baker hosted almost every hoot that took place at the Yellow Door. I don't recall hoots at the Back Door, but I do recall that that is where I saw a microwave oven for the first time.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:52 PM

Mike R and Chuck B (with help from their friends) did so much to keep 'folk' alive in Montreal, live music happening, and audiences involved. There are lotsa folkies out there who owe those guys a serious debt of gratitude. I'm one of 'em.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 04:58 PM

Hi Peace,

I remember Wayne and Mike hosting a lot of the Yellow Door hoots. Chuck spent most of the Sunday night hoots in those days in the office at the top of the stairs; sometimes coming part way down the stairs and holding up a funny sign to the audience. This would have been the early-1970s. I left Montreal in 1975.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:00 PM

Forgot to mention Penny Rose who used to hold house concerts at her house in Morin Heights--before folks ever heard of house concerts. She called the place "Rose's Cantina". That was back in the very early 1970s, I think.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:01 PM

Whenever I get to Vancouver, maybe one every five or six years, I stop by Rufus' Guitar Shop and have nice visit with Chuck. Still the same sarcastic 'bastard' with a heart of gold.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:03 PM

I just had a pic of Wayne flash into my head. He had black hair, kinda longish, and he was gettin' some bald areas on the top in front/ Nice guy. Yep, you be right.

Mike? No bells on that.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:04 PM

I think Rose's Cantina got started around 1973. Chris Rawlings and Bill Russell were part of it with Penny, at least in the beginning. I lost track of that scene after I moved away.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:04 PM

Chuck is one of the finest people a guy's ever likely to meet. Bar none.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:11 PM

Yes. It kinda threw me off. Chuck Baker ran the hoots at The Yellow Door. I guess you also mean Wayne Rose(Penny Rose's Wayne. she ran Rose's Cantina in Morin Heights) And Mike Regenstrief, Folk Roots/Folk Branches, CKUT, also on myspace. I just emailed him a short time ago. The Golem was a nice room, I opened for Roger"Jim"McGuinn(Byrds) there. Mike's a real strong supporter of Folk Music.
Dylan is playing Le Festival de Jazz de Montreal, at Place des Arts, but with tix at $125.00, the times are gonna hafta be changin' before I go. Or, maybe not. I'll have to speak to the gods of denari on that one. Or, throw caution to the wind and just do it. I don't expect Bob to be comin' over the house in the near future. If you know what I mean. His new stuff is strong, but I'm from the generation of "It's all over now, baby blue". Chris(Rawlings) was saying something about Dylan hosting some form of radio program or something. We didn't get into details. I gotta get downtown to the Fest. So it's so long for now...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: lefthanded guitar
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:16 PM

I am not sure if Chris Rawlings is the songwriter I had an album by (it was recently ruined in a basement flood)

If so he was an amazing songwriter.I think One of the songs was
Pearl River Turnaround, and went:

It's twenty six miles to the Pearl River turnaround
Never very far in the sun and the rain
If you dont' get back to the Pearl River turnaround
you'll never get back again


or something like that.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:18 PM

That's Chris Rawlings' song. But "it's ONLY six miles to the Pearl River turnaround."

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:21 PM

Chris is one heckuva songwriter. I'm lookin' forward to hearing him come the end of July.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:28 PM

PEACE: Just saw your name pop up. The posts are coming in so fast, so I didn't see the other posts before I could react. You know Scotty's gone. I guess you picked it up from the thread. Saw Diane last night. She didn't know and asked me if I told you. Life is LIFE bro. Hope to see you one day...Remembering Lindsay. Got to hit it for downtown. Hang in there. Bless...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:31 PM

Thanks, Bob.

Hey, any chance you'll do one song with me at the festival? Maybe two?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 12:24 PM

PEACE: You know, I was just thinking about that...I could call myself "LOVE", and we could then go on as "PEACE and LOVE". Then maybe tour. Sorta like Sonny and Cher, but I WILL NOT wear one of those slinky sequined dresses, no matter what!!! And forgettaboutit on any of that thong thingy, "If I could turn back time time wardrobe malfunction costumey stuff," I have my pride, not much, but some. (Unless, somebody comes up with some SERIOUS coin...) Tell ya what. I was thinking about how to motivate you. You know, how to get that best performance out of you. The "Che Guevara Child" that I KNOW is deep within...So, I have just two words to say to you...George Bush! Hey! We COULD put our old band back together. As soon as some of the boys finish their sentences. Ah yes. These Mudcatters cannot hope to realize the sheer awesome power of THE GREASE REVIEW. The "differences of opinion" before the shows. The mammaries. Er, make that memories. And O.K. O.K., I'll leave the switchblade at home. After all, we are now Peace and Love!
But seriously Folks, I'm working on a way to get there as I'm Vehicularly Challenged at the present time. And in closing, a bit of shameless self promotion, My album, "The Ghost of Elvis" was released worldwide on all major digital distribution sites, iTunes, eMusic, etc. last night. So it's Celebration City over here....See ya 'round the festival...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 04:07 PM

You bring a copy with you because I want it autographed. Also, your memory is going. It was THE SUPER GREASE REVIEW. As for the switch blade, it was a gravity knife. Man, you HAVE mellowed. Man, ya gotta get there for Saturday. We can practise for a half hour before the show and the songs will ROCK!

OK then, I'LL wear the sequin dress, but no clashing colours. Like, we gotta sound OK but more importantly, we gotta look GOOOOOOD!

Bob, I wish you lots and lots of success. I love what I've heard of it. And hey, I ain't got a CD to sell, so why not bring a few with you and see if we can sell them there? I haven't checked with the Festival people, but since we're not gonna carry weapons, maybe they'd consider a quid pro quo.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 04:35 PM

PEACE: There is no CD, yet. I'm doing a "Paul McCartney"(Memory Almost Full). It's a digital download only, but with 100,000,000+ iPods out there alone, PLUS, every computer, phone, and MP3 player totalling 1 BILLION people on-line, do you think anybody will notice? I got ads in N.Y.C. & San Francisco now, and more to come... You can see it now at eMusic. They got me listed under Jazz/Blues. I guess everybody's gonna have an opinion as to what it is. BOOYEAH! bob

p.s. it WAS a switchblade!!!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 08:36 PM

Dammit. So PUT it on a CD and autograph it and sell me one. I have no bloody idea what I-pods are. There's a guy on another thread who had a colonoscophy recently and I think he said he said they found some there. You absolutely sure it wasn't a gravity knife?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jun 07 - 08:50 PM

BOB, if you need a ride to the festival I have friends who live near you and will be going, I can ask if they would be willing to accomodate you.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 01 Jul 07 - 11:56 AM

bobad/PEACE: That would be great. Chris Rawlings is looking out for a ride for me as well. Thanks.
In the last 3 months Apple sold it's 100,000,000th iPod. The mobile device that attaches to computers to download MP3's. I think just about every kid I've seen has one permanently attached(almost). Then Warner Bros. laid off 400 people and Sam the Record Man in T.O. closed it's doors. Then, Paul McCartney did "Memory Almost Full" as a digital download. I keep my ear to the ground on this stuff. And as a suggestion to all Mudcatters, if you want to get your songs to the people, this is going to be the way. Example. My album was released on all major digital download stores on June 29. This morning, it showed up on Google and was listed on the "This is Jazz" blog. Google my name to see what's happening. I'll take care of you Peace. And, if I look carefully through my screen here, you look a little bit like this great Singer/Songwriter I saw a long time ago. He used to do some protest songs and ballads. If you see him, tell him to get writing, find some tekkies, and get his stuff out on the net as MP3's. Thanks. bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 07:24 PM

OK Bob, I've been in touch with my friends in Pointe Claire and they are willing to haul your butt down to Ormstown, they are going Saturday AM and returning Saturday evening. If you are interested just let me know and we'll arrange details as the event draws more nigh.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 02 Jul 07 - 08:31 PM

Bobad: O.K. Sounds Good...Thanks! bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 08:48 PM

I've just now checked back on this list to find the responses about Leonda Hardison.

My dad "Doc" Comins did sell the Turks Head in Boston in '67. He thought it was getting too crazy in the city after he and Rolf Cahn, when walking along the Boston Commons, were mugged by 3 men. The story goes that Rolf spotted them coming and said to my dad: "You take the one on the left, kick him in the balls with all your might. I'll take the other two."

Sure enough, the fellow in the middle pulled a knife. Rolf emitting a blood curtling karate scream kicked him in the head, knocking him out. My dad kicked the other guy in the nuts, and Rolf had the third guy by the throat. He quickly gave up the assault and ran. The man with the knife was completely motionless. Rolf and Arn departed the scene swiftly, and they didn't look back.

Which reminds me that Rolf was a pretty heavy duty guy, when he was mad. I have other good stories about Rolf. Probably not appropriate for this thread.

How many on this list have played at the Turks Head before '68, and who are you. I was the smallest of the 4 kids running around.

jonathan

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,carol
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:13 AM

I remember a man in a elk skin out fit at the St. Louis folk festival Im guessing it was april 1955,his name was Lingo the Drifter. What happen to him? I was 10 years old and impressed. He said he lived in a mt. top in Tenn.
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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 12:08 PM

If he had a coonskin cap and claimed to have "killed a b'ar when he was only three..." it would have to be Davy Crockett (the Walt Disney version) as portrayed by Fess Parker. Ironically, I marketed wine for Mr. Parker several years ago. He retired to a beautiful place up in the Santa Ynez Valley, near Santa Barbara, CA.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Andy Leader
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:04 PM

I also met Luke Faust, probably 1961 or so, at the Indian Neck folk festival outside New Haven, CT, and I was deeply impressed and influenced.   I still occasionally perform one of his pieces, "The Spring of 65", accompanied by frailing banjo. Incidentally, I'm one of those little known 60's folksingers. I roomed with Rick Lee for 3 years, was friends with Taj Mahal and Buffy Saint Marie, and I played with them at the old Saladin coffee house in Amherst, MA. The four of us and some others traveled to New York to hear Bob Dylan, whom we had also met at Indian Neck, when he was the new kid playing at Gerdes, and I drove around NYC with Dylan in my fathers Oldsmobile. I was friends with Hedy West, who was infatuated with "Bobby" at the time, and she introduced me to Alan Lomax for whom I played a version of "Come All You Texas Rangers" which I had heard while hitchhiking through Nebraska. He said I should recite, rather than sing, the song's final line. In 1963 I was living in Dublin where I played at The Pike, an after-hours unpstairs venue, and jammed with Andy Irvine, Johnny Moynihan, Dominic Behan, and others. From the mid 60's on I've been living in Vermont, been in a few different bands, including Rooster Pie with Fiddlin Slim Baker, Fallen Arches with Fred Calrson and Suzie Norris, Barleycorn with Charles Woodard and Steve Hinds, and Rise Up Jack with Charles, John Drury, and Janet Leader. We did the coffee house circuit and some area festivals and First Nights. These days I mostly play fiddle for contradances, though I also do some singing of folk, old time, and parlor songs with Janet for small groups.    Andy Leader

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 03:47 PM

Cisco Huston

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,old village
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 01:33 PM

Effie siegerman, query 489, was less a folk singer than an early music specialist. He ran a madgrigal group in the West Village in the mid to late 1950s, doing renaissance and medieval music: Purcell, Monteverdi. He may have played lute or harpsichord, had a wife or girl friend named Felicia and was in a science or math doctoral program at NYU. All of which are distant memories, insecure.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: coldjam
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 02:49 PM

This is a wonderful thread. Thanks to all youse guys, Frank Hamilton and Bob Rysakiemurflelemumble, Stringsinger, Suffet and the rest who offered those snapshots into the folkera...someone should put them all together in a book...it would make for some interesting reading-especially where and when everyone's paths crossed.Especially since you never hear the real story from the ones who made it to the big time. They seem to gloss everything over.

Frank, you didn't mention Pat & Barbara? Atlanta underground era. I woulda been there but I had to be in bed by 8:30. My husband and I do much the same thing, folk & comedy. Except P & B sounded more like Hedge and Donna and we sound more like, oh, Bugs bunny and Daffy Duck.They put out one album which I've heard-made when Barbara had a bad cold, but still good. My husband was their writer & producer, & told me all about it.I'm a boomer, but I'm a late boomer...that's right I'm a trophy wife. Oh yeah. :)

Charley, as for representing Michigan I can only offer a duo we just discovered that made some albums in the '60's called "The Keystone Bros". Bill & Steve. Hot musicians and very funny guys...banjo & piano! Trying to find out what happened to them. Cadillac Record in Detroit...anybody know anything about that there?

Mike: "Don't cry for us Argentina-just send us some Columbian?" Consider it stolen!

Judy

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:08 PM

coldjam: BEST mispronunciation of my name, EVER!!! (I have a collection) Now, you COULD have looked down the thread to find out how to spell it, but I'm not complaining... as I adjust my "air-tie" and do my weird Rodney Dangerfield impression, " Hey, I don't get no RESPECT around here!!!
Or, as Paris Hilton might say, " Hey, any Press is GOOD Press..."
But, kidding aside. This thread, the memories and all, is kind of a tribute to some very talented boys and girls who did the best they could with what they had, and put a smile on a great number of people's faces. Not to mention a song in their hearts. It's a GOOD thing for all of us to remember them, as I think of the great number of bluesmen that were my heroes who passed on with little notice. Maybe someone in the distant future will find this thread in some "cyber-bottle", time-capsule-thing-a-ma-jing and say, "that's the way it was..."
It's been a good day as I just got "Top Friended" on Gordon Lightfoot's "Official" Profile on myspace. He had 47 friends so far! Is it real? Don't much care. The thought was great...
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: coldjam
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:25 PM

Bob, I actually had the correct spelling of your name right in front of me, as I planned to stalk you to your myspace. I can readily see your chagrin (might check that zipper)at the constant misspelling of your name. Our duo name has been misspelled and mangled so many times that we've considered misspelling it ourselves and seeing if THAT would get them to print it right! And ours doesn't use all the letters in the alphabet (that's just greedy Bob)

The cyber-bottle is a nice concept, I'd just like to see it put together. Someone, who has more time than I do could make an darn good start on mudcat.

I surfed across a family tree of musicians that revolved around the Kingston Trio a while back. It branched out to include an incredible number of performers who all worked with people who worked with people...kind of a 7 slices of bacon away from Bob Shane or something like that. Expanded, I think it would show clear back and including "Noah and sons" as the original folk group.It's an inbred little group isn't it?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 06:14 PM

coldjam: Was going out for milk, then it started to rain. As my transportation is a bicycle and BMW(Bus-Metro-Walking) I'm back doing this... The Kingston Trio more or less started the Folk thing for me. Before that, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Chris Montez(who I "talked" to on myspace, still doin' it..), Fats Domino, so many others and my trusty 1960 Emerson transistor radio(a birthday gift from Mom, God Bless...) occupied many an hour. Before that it was a crystal set, (headphones, oatmeal box, needle, wire to the plumbing) Got New York with that from Rhode Island, not bad for a 10 year old. The mind jumps back to Lightfoot, who I met at the Yellow Door in Montreal around '71-72'(It's all pretty much of a haze) Or as a biker friend used to say, "If you remember the 60's, you weren't really there..." Anyhound, he was up on the 2nd floor near the fireplace. Where the performers tune up. He was doing Place des Arts, I think, and stopped in to check the place out. I only knew him from "Early Morning Rain", and was expecting this 6'5" Indian wearing buckskins and all and being American, I had never seen him....The Yellow Door was strange like that. I think Leonard Cohen was in the audience at one point and used to go to the Spanish bars along Park Ave. in Montreal. So Lightfoot is in town and my friend, Josh Onderisin is living next door, living on corn flakes and music. Murray McLaughlin was up in that apartment, visiting at one point. Along with Bruce Cockburn, who stayed at a place called "The Ranch", not too far away. This is during the time he had "High Winds, White Sky", the big fuzzy dog, and dressed in "peasant clothes," complete with walking stick. We were all up there and Bruce is standing on his head in the corner of the room. I ask, "What's he doing?" Meditating. As we used to say, " you could smoke the rug in that place..." But Bruce wasn't into it. It's great that he became famous and is doing all the humanitarian stuff...We had a guitar show here in Montreal, July 6-8 at The Hyatt. Got to meet Linda Manzer,(who I'd heard about for (+/-) 37 years a Luthier from Toronto who tells me she made 5 guitars(+/-) for Bruce. What an Artist! And, I got a pick from the late 40's(a National) from one luthier, and a free T-shirt from another. A GREAT memory... Anyway, Jumping around in the time line here, Lightfoot is looking for a guitar player and offers the job to Josh. Don't quote me here, but he had Red Shea for years, but there was one point when the offer was made. $25,000/year in '71-'73 dollars, a princely sum. Josh TURNS IT DOWN. He was working with Chris Kearney and their album, "Pemmican Stash" was just coming out, and he followed that path. I still remember talking to Josh in that apartment. Playing guitar for Gordon Lightfoot was a big thing. You could still do sessions and the shows, but that's the way she goes...Josh and his lady Mary, listening and recording Ram Dass from the radio. All that stuff. He went on to work with Ian Thomas(Painted Ladies), Dave Thomas'(Saturday Night Live) brother. You can see him on one of Rush's album covers, the gray one with the guy and the pentagram. Josh is on the back, dressed as a puppet. Hugh Syme did the artwork. Milan Kimlicka was the arranger. Ian had 6 hits in the Top 10 over a period of a few years, in Canada, and had to go back to Producing at the CBC to make ends meet!. There truly is , no business like show business... That was when everybody was listening to music and, for me, practising 8 hours a day. Getting the technique from the records. It's funny how these things are a moment in time, then drift away in the clouds of your memory...Oh well, I guess everybody reading this has their own stories..More bubbles surfacing from the depths: I hear Gordon Lightfoot offers to play a show for $5000, I think, to the people who ran The Door. For an intimate concert. Which never took place as 5 G's is one thing to Gord, and the Federal Reserve to others. I can't really vouch for the complete accuracy of all of this, as some of it was second hand. We were all just players. It was the love of the music that kept us together. All the hoots at The Door. Oops, the thunder is coming in, gotta shut the computer down, and get that milk...See you all...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 07:56 PM

Hey Bob,

What ever happened to Chris Kearney? I remember him playing the Golem quite often in the 1970s, but haven't heard of him since.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 08:53 PM

C. Ham: Haven't got a clue re: Chris Kearney...
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 09:13 PM

Hi Kids!: If you Google Chris(he preferred Christopher)Kearney, Pemmican Stash(Food carried in a pouch by native Canadians) you'll find that he formed a band called CHINA. Lee Ritenour, and Jeff Baxter of the Doobie Brothers did some of the session work. Bill King was on keys. Don't know if it's the same Bill King who is one of my friends on myspace, working out of Ontario, a killer player that sounds like Jerry Lee Lewis, Professor Longhair, and James Booker all rolled into one. Bill Baird(hope I got it right) was in there, but you can get the whole story(in part) for yourselves on Google. No trace after that it seems...
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Tony Smith
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 11:53 PM

If Toronto folksinger Al Cromwell had been ambitious, I think he would be perhaps as well known to most people who know the 60's
folk and blues scene as Ritchie Havens was. Al was incomparably smooth. Uncharacteristically, Al got heavily into booze a his early fiftees and died, I'm not sure why, but probably for reasons that had much to do with his downfall in general. Duke, do you remember Al . . . do you remember his Josh White, Oscar Brown sort of delivery? Do you remember Brigitte D. and Doug Stewart, too? The
Dupont restautant? Gee, so long ago. Would we ever have imagined then that we were headed for dumb and dumber, and dumber stil, ecologically above all. Ah, yes, the last time I saw Al was when he played "The Work Song" at my anti-fur demonstration on Yongue street. He did the verses free tempo using a kind of flemenco style continual strum, and then shifted into a shuffle beat for the chorus . . . I've been workin' . . . I've been workin' . . . you know the rest, I'll bet. Oscar Browne died, too. Zal, as you must know. How about Doug Bush? Were you a friend of Chick Webb's?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 12:01 PM

Dang it, Bob R., you've got interesting things to say (love your BMW line) but have you not heard of science's latest triumph, the paragraph?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 03:48 PM

So much going on here. So little time to address it all. I will just say to Tony Smith that Al Cromwell and Doug Bush were great friends of mine when I was a little-known Toronto folksinger in the sixties, working under the handle Joanne Hindley-Smith. And I hung out in the laundromat with Zally Yanovsky next door to the Dupont cafe at the corner of St. George. These days I go by Crabtree and I'm having the most fun of my musical life. I have the world's greatest duo partner in Paul Mills, and I have to say it's way more fun than working alone! You can find us at
www.myspace/crabtreemills
Btw Doug Bush seems to have disappeared without a trace. Ruth Jones and I have both looked for him to no avail. If anyone knows anything, I'd appreciate hearing from you.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: coldjam
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 05:22 PM

Do any of you you Canucks know James Gordon? I know he's been around since the '60s but he's still going. One of my favorite singer/ songwriters (obviously cause he does/did lots of humorous stuff.)

Bob I second the paragraph request! I'm really enjoying your input-it's just hard to keep my place in that sea of words! Maybe the words up there get so cold they group together for warmth?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 07:19 PM

Cool Beans/coldjam: Paragraphs are for wussies. Next thing you know you'll be wantin' me be be articulate!! And sure the words group together for warmth. It's like a a a a a WORD ORGY!!
When it's -40 wind chill, you don't leave anything hanging out by itself. Zippers freeze in weather like that...REMEMBER, I AM AN ARTISTE! This verbiage is a STYLE. A Marshall McLuhan, Stream of Conciousness, Indubitable, Extemporaneous, Inconsequential, CONNECTION with the Source of All Creation!!!! Did Anybody believe that?

O.K. O.K. Never let it be said that I would refuse a request. Here's your paragraph...

But at the
    same       time      let       us      not
             forget .....................................e.e. cummings

I             create                   I AM                                                                      THAT...

AND,    I    CoUlD hAVe wRIT tEN IT lIke tHIs, So       in TRuth

YOU                                              R                                  Lucky...

bob

p.s. And, on a cold night, if you stare at the above, and it begins to take the shape of an instrument, or you find a meaning in just the form. It will be time to go to the farm..

rebob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 07:55 PM

Washburn house. Anyone recalling stopping by the Washburn house on Root Street in Flint, MI playing with some of the era's best?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,jlmosher
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 08:07 PM

Hi-
I wanted to know if anyone knew about this post below. I am a little unclear because Monte Dunn is mentioned or did he write it? Monte was a big part of the Folk Music scene and he passed away this April 25, 2007. His discography is rather extensive to include Ian & Sylvia, David Blue, Music director for Chad Mitchell, Sonny and Cher, Richie Havens, Peter, Paul and Mary as well as a guitarist with Jack Eliot for the 1976 Phil Ochs Memorial Concert at the Felt Forum. He left his wife Liane Dunn and also three daughters on the West coast, Cleo, Jesse and Pam. I am his step-daughter, Jacquie.

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 02:07 PM

Monte Dunn.

And thanks for mentioning Raun MacKinnon. Took me back to a night in Toronto when we were both about eighteen and we sat on the floor of her hotel room swapping songs till dawn.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 08:19 PM

Guest jlmosher, the post was made by balladeer and he was citing Monte Dunn as a "Little known 60's Folk Singer", my condolences on the passing of your stepfather, it sounds like he made quite a mark on the folk music scene.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Thank you
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 08:43 PM

Thank you so much for the clarification. If anyone knew him then or now it would be great to hear and I could pass it on to his children. I don't think too many people know he is gone as it just happened. Maybe people will see the post and let others know who knew Monte. My mother phoned Peter Walker, but we have heard very little from the wider music audience. We miss him terribly. He did not use the internet and he was unaware of all the times he was mentioned in interviews and on CD reissues. He spent a lot of his later years writing (both music and journalism) and playing.
Thank you for your heartfelt response.
jacquie

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: lazeebabee
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 11:18 PM

Just found this thread. So many memories, thanks! Didn't Sean Gagnier move to California with his wife and she passed there when she was around 28?

I first met Tex in the village at the Four Winds where I hung out and even worked in the mid-60s. He and his friend that drove a cab would come by and pick me up and whisk me off to Chinatown. Then he came to Montreal and would whisk me off to Chinatown. I was in a grocery store in Toronto one night and ran into him as he was buying a lemon meringue pie and before long we had added one of Toronto's Chinatowns to make it a truly holy trinity. After a couple of years we moved out of the Annex and fell out of touch with him.

Had heard rumours that Lindsey C. had passed awaya but wasn't sure. Some of you probably know that Gary Eisenkraft is gone also. He's the guy that packed up his guitar and moved from Stanley St. (after moving from Bishop) to Sherbrooke and that 'other' music scene, The New Penelope.

Saw Thom Ghent's name way up the thread ... dead or alive? Anyone know? And what about Jeremy Taylor?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 14 Jul 07 - 03:45 AM

to guest,jlmosher:

Dear Jacquie:

As I write this I'm very upset. I didn't know Monte was gone. I'm very sorry for your loss and the loss sustained by your mother and sisters, and indeed everyone who knew and loved Monte.

I certainly did not mean to minimize his role on the music scene. He was a very powerful presence in everything he did and a wonderful and popular instrumentalist, but to my knowledge not well-known as a singer in the sixties, which is when I knew him.

Monte and I dated during his time with Ian and Sylvia. We were both very young. I moved to England for a while, and never did meet up with him again.

Thanks for letting us know of his passing. I hope he didn't suffer.

Warm regards,
Joanne

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,jacquie
Date: 14 Jul 07 - 05:50 AM

Joanne,
Thank you so much for writing. I did not take your writing as an insult to Monte at all. He would be honored that you mentioned him. I am trying to gather information to write a story and eulogy for Monte. No one has written anything, which makes me very sad. But he knew I liked to write and I thought the other day that he would probably tell me "well, why don't you write it" because we used to talk about how much fun it was to work with words. I wrote my first op-ed piece on his little word processor which I have with me and 20 yrs of his writing I have been printing for his kids!!! I would like to write it and maybe you could be a part of it and others if they would like. I would love to write it for him.

Monte was a grandfather too! He has 3 grandchildren , one step-grandchild and another grandchild on the way.
My mom told me when they used to go to Canada to meet Ian and Sylvia, that they visited someone else up there that he knew non-musician-- woman-- wish I knew so I could contact her-- had a horse farm, upper Ontario I think), but she could not remember. I wrote an email to Sylvia, but never heard back. Monte did quite a bit back in those days and continued to do much for many and I wish he was more acknowledged for his efforts, but many folks were not. You dated Monte before he met his now ex-wife Karen Kruse? I am sorry this news upset you, but by the same token I am glad Monte was recognized by someone who knew him. His children and myself, I am sure would love to know anyone who knew him in his early days. You and people like you are bridges to him and to time.

His passing is a very big loss, that few, if any of us, are handling very well. His health had deteriorated over the years and he was not well. I am sure he had a lot of spunk when you met him and dated him. He had one of the most brilliant minds I have known and his creatvity was boundless. I found old paintings he did, his writing, his book collection -- library is unimaginable and he read most of everything, and for the record he played every instrument he could-- he was known for that beautiful Guild guitar which we have both ( acoustic /electric acoustic)-- the acoustic he had when he recorded for Ian and Sylvia we just sent to his oldest daughter which even has his old songlist taped to it. He played the banjo beautifully and mandolin and he had saxophones and also a bass, but his love was those guitars. I have a tape of him from a little concert he did in Coe Park here in Ct that I am trying to convert to a CD for family members. You are welcome to one if I can find someone to tape it. Monte's wonderful humor is on it as well. He would be thrilled you connected with me.
One of the local musicians who played on that gig said that Monte played "Misty" a key lower and the horn section and rest of the musicians were struggling to play it and Monte would not let up or change keys.....(Monte was the lead of course!) and in the end he non-chalantly told them he was sorry but he couldn't sing that high so he had to drop it down an octave or two! My late sister used to sing with him on some gigs and he would change on her too and it drove her nuts! I love the stories, the happy and joyful moments especially with regards to music. He did cut one album with Karen on Cyclone Records. I have a CD if you would like one.

I am glad you thought of him-- no insult at all.   I was so happy to see his name mentioned.

Thank you Joanne-- I am glad you knew him. I wish he had continued with Ian and Sylvia. My mom tells me they made an offer for him to do that, but he moved on after 1965 and recorded with Sonny and Cher, toured with Carolyn Hester and Chad Mitchell, was Musical Director for the Mandrell Singers and recorded with Peter, Paul and Mary, and then came 1966.......with Tim Hardin, Tom Rush, Buffy St. Marie, Peter Walker and Kui Lee and that was just that year....

He contributed much.

I am glad you knew him. If you would like to hear him and what he was doing after all his recordings, let me know. And let me know if you would like to be aprt o fthe story I would like to write. Writers around here would not make the effort to stretch into the past which was very important time. Monte was also teaching a lot and he worked as a music therapist as well. He was quite a man and a very talented and giving one.

Kindest,
Jacquie

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 14 Jul 07 - 01:01 PM

Jacquie,

Thank you for responding to my note in such detail. I am very pleased to meet you.

I'm not an important part of Monte's story. We were close for just a little while. He was mostly on the road with Ian and Sylvia, and we saw each other during those times when the troupe landed in Toronto. When he left Toronto in 1965, I was already happily established on the British folk scene. So, though I have a few vivid memories of our times together, I don't have a lot of hard information to contribute to your written history, but I'd be happy to tell you whatever I can.

You mentioned a lady with a horse farm. I don't remember who that was, but I do remember visiting a rural property with Monte, somewhere near Peterborough Ontario, I believe. There were horses there (or at least a horse). This was late at night, so I'm fuzzy on the locale. Mostly the focus was indoors as Ian Tyson and Jack Elliot were swapping songs all night, but there was a point where Monte and I went outside to ride a horse. I remember having trouble with the horse and Ian somehow saving the day. Ian was already my hero, but he REALLY was after that. You might be able to track down Ian in Alberta, where he lives now.

I would be interested in the CD you spoke of, and anything else you'd be willing to share with me.

If you want to quickly learn more about who you're dealing with, the precis of my life is at www.joannecrabtree.com and that site will give you a way to contact me directly.

cdbaby.com/cd/jcrabtree and www.myspace/crabtreemills will give you lots of samples of music.

Thanks for taking the time to explore this tiny connection.

Best of luck with your on-going search.

Joanne

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Knutson
Date: 14 Jul 07 - 02:50 PM

Pamir House... Now there's a memory. Whatever happened to Mike Atwood?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: lazeebabee
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 09:19 AM

Is it possible that the lady with the horse connection's name was Norma? Became friends with a woman by that name when we lived in a house on Spadina and Bernard. She had friends who owned a french restaurant who came and picked us up one day and took us out to ride. That would have been near the end of summer 1966. She wasn't a folk singer but a definite folk fan.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 10:42 AM

Sorry, Sassy, I have no memory beyond the bits I've described.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 02:20 PM

Mike Atwood. Of the singers who sang at Pamir House, he probably had more longevity there than anyone else. For several months in 1961 in particular, but off and on for a couple of years, I also sang at Pamir House. On Friday and Saturday evenings, usually perched on stools up front (or against the back wall, depending on how you looked at it) and reading from left to right would be me, Mike Atwood, and most evenings, Jerry Murry, and/or Jim Wilhelm. Sometimes either replacing or adding to this mob would be Sue Hall, Judy Flenniken, Nancy Quensé, and occasional others (not all at once, of course). Generally no planned program, we just bounced songs back and forth and played off each other. Kinda like a party/songfest. I'd say that, as far as the entertainment was concerned, people were getting their money's worth! Most people seemed to really enjoy the informality of the whole thing.

After the Seattle World's Fair in 1962, I went on to do most of my coffeehouse singing at The Place Next Door (later, when Stan James bought it, it became The Corroboree), and Mike pretty much stuck with Pamir House. I didn't see him very often during that time. Sometime in 1963 I think, Mike, riding his motorcycle, got hit by a car in an intersection and lost a leg. After that, I understand that he moved in with his mother in Arlington, Washington (some miles north of Seattle). I know he did go to the 1964 Berkeley Folk Festival with three or four other people (Pamir House regulars like Jerry Murry and Jim Wilhelm). I ran into them there and we had an after-concert party one night.

The last time I saw Mike was at a "Pamir House Reunion" concert, held at a club/tavern on Ballard Avenue in Seattle in 1991 (I've got the T-shirt!). All kinds of people showed up, some folks who hadn't seen each other in a couple of decades. Those who were still singing (most of us) each sang a brief set. Lots of fun and gobs of nostalgia. Big party at Paul Gillingham's house afterward that went on to the wee small hours of the morning. I chatted with Mike a bit at the party. As I recall, he said he was still living in Arlington, but wasn't doing much singing (not much opportunity there).

And this I hesitate to mention, because I don't know if it's true or not, but a little while later, someone told me that Mike had passed away.

I'd like to hear some of your memories of Pamir House and the folks there, Knutson. Do I know you?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Knutson
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 09:45 PM

Don, yes we've met, but didn't really know each other. I, too, played at the Pamir House and most knew me as Doc Knutson. I came in there a little later, '64 or so, and played for several years until my MC'ing duties (replaced Ray Court at KING for the Hootenanys and later working for the Seattle Center as MC of the Seattle Center Folk Concerts & Opera House) got in the way. Had a strong duet going with Anne Billings (that was the best... what a voice she had). I knew Jerry Murray pretty well too. Is he still around... he had everything Van Ronk did down pat and a lot more... Later I partnered with John Hughes in some restaurants in the Seattle area (remember him?). What about Sue Molen (Molin?) Where did she go? Back then, I also played the El Matador (Lake Union), Three Thieves (Everett), a little at the Corroboree as well as Portland and SF. Eventually, career and too much travel got in the way so I drifted away from all of it. Many memories and a lot of really good people and fine music. Sounds like you have stayed very plugged in. By the way, it was John Timmons that owned the Pamir House but no one really saw him. When things were cranking, not only was there music in the front by the stove but also next door (south) and sometimes downstairs too in the passageway to the other side. Atwood still lived on Seaview, across from Ray's Boathouse for a while after he lost his leg with his girlfriend Cele. Still had the '49 Hudson too (still no brakes). It made for an entertaining ride to the Pamir house on the flatest roads possible. Ah... the days...

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 01:39 AM

I remember playing alongside Monte and Karen in the 70's in NYC. There was a jam every Thursday at an Italian restaurant on Houston St. They would show up to sit in, along with occassionally, Tony Trischka, Peter Rowan, a 16 year old Bela Fleck, Andy Statman among others. Not much money, but great food and drink and music.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Guest. David Jones
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 12:12 PM

Just got turned on to Mudcat and this thread. Noted reference to Gloucester Ma. by Frank Hamilton. I do remember Frank being in Gloucester.
I remember a fine singer at the Drinking Gourd in San Francisco named Chick Raines, he did a great job on "The Spoon River Anthology", and he had a song with the line "--you just sorta, stepped right on to my aorta--". Charles O'Hegarty made a big splash at the Berkley FF at that time, I think his big hit was "Body in the Bag". At Gerdes Folk City, the actor Dominic Chianese, best known for playing Uncle Junior in the HBO series "The Sopranos", held forth as a singer and the MC at the monday night Hoots. I remember him introducing a very young David Bromberg, and a quite young Lou Killen. Dominic still sings around New York.
David Jones

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 02:36 PM

The "sorta...aorta" was from a song called "You Done Stomped on My Heart (and You Mashed That Sucker Flat)" Years ago (must have been '72 or '73) I got a phone call on New Years Eve: "...Hello, Eriks, it's nobody but-a just Mike Porco. Can you come to the club (Folk City) and play tonight? Dominic just-a got arrested." Seems Dominic Chianese had a vengeful ex who would call the cops whenever he had a gig because he owed back alimony or child support. So I played the gig. Some years later I told that story to George Gerdes, who said, in his way, "You mendacious lying scumbag sonofabitch! That wasn't you, that was me!" Turns out it was both of us. It happened two years in a row.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 10:31 AM

Tony Smith: I know most of the people that you mentioned and also the Dupont Restaurant. What about Websters? The only Tony Smith I remember played piano and was a great pool player. Is that you? Doug Stewart I would love to see again. I spent a lot of time with Al Cromwell in the last few years of his life and when it came to his music, he was very special. I love this thread!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 11:43 AM

Slight correction to Duke: The actual name of "Webster's" was THE WEBSTER.

There is a song on my first CD, All the Good Times, that features two people who were very much on the Toronto scene at that time. I did not wish to name them because I was very upset when I wrote the song, but I did feel free to name the restaurant where the drama of our lives so often unfolded between two and six AM.

Here's the passage:

We'd sip coffee at the Webster
Every night from two till dawn
Scribbling one-act plays on napkins
Now the playwright thrill is gone
And the wedding we'd been planning
When I left for overseas
Just another bitter memory
Now you're living your disease.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 11:48 AM

I've asked before, but this thread seems to be attracting people who might know the answer to this (these) question(s).

Do you know where Doug Bush is?
Or if he's alive?
Or where he was last seen?
Do you know anyonw who might know?

Al Cromwell and Doud Bush were a duo back at the time when we were all besotted with Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee. So far, Google reveals nothing.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: lazeebabee
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 01:08 PM

Good old Webster's (aka The Webster). I worked at Sammy's Pizza place down the road for awhile. But Webster's was the best place to just hang out 'til dawn for sure.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 01:25 PM

Just to return to the Yellow Door hoots for a moment.

I had dinner last night with an old Montreal friend and he remembered both Wayne and Mike hosting Yellow Door hoots in the early 70's.

Not only that, he remembered Wayne's last name: Tuttle. Definitely not Wayne Rose, penny's ex.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 03:47 PM

To: "Doc Knutson and Don Firth" ...

Doc, I don't remember you, but there's a LOT of people of the era I don't remember. (sometimes that's a GOOD thing)?

"Bride Judy" and I and John Weiss went to a local Snohomish coffee house gig, maybe 6 or 7 years ago. Baby Gramps was the performer that night. From the stage, he recognized us and announced that he had just heard that Mike Atwood had died. I forget the circumstances of his death.

Mike certainly had a powerful impact on people ... some of them good. I always remember him singing ... "I'm Going Back, To Where I Come From"! CHEERS, Bob Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 03:32 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 04:31 PM

Deckman,

Thanks so much. Good to hear you're on a "tear"---I appreciate it!Got your message forwarded to me in Manitowoc, Wisconsin by Kat. Carol and I were there with family and hanging with Fritz and Mary Schuler at their great Golden Ring Music Store And Folklore Center all this last week. First vacation in many years.

Onward and upward,

Art T.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 07:27 PM

Ain't olde friends great! Bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,comins
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:12 AM

My mom Sallie Comins tells me that Leonda Hardison had a pet ocelot she kept in her appartment, so the story must have some truth to it. This gorgeous girl with a panther...

Agona, Leondas daugther, was born at the Turks Head Coffe House in Wellfleet, on Cape Cod. My dad performed the delivery there - they couldn't make it to the hospital.

jonathan

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 07:20 PM

C.Ham: Just saw your post re: Wayne Tuttle/The Yellow Door and the memory just snapped back to his face. Always had a smile and a laugh. With the beard and smoking the pipe if memory serves correctly. Was well read and articulate too. As Bob Hope used to say, "Thanks for the memories..."
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bostonboy
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:31 PM

And the great Rob Ambrosino.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,David Asia
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 07:53 PM

Well, I was sitting on my riding mower on a beautiful Methow Valley day, and I begin thinking about the Pamir House, about sipping Chocolate Ongeats, and, every now and then playing a set - a few Kingston Trio songs, some special Israeli music, other folky things. So I googled, and, low and behold.
I spent many hours listening, playing music, enjoying the atmosphere which made me feel like I was on the inside of something warm and special. What a great place to hang out, feel good about being young (or old) and alive. Part of my life which will forever remain special.
So it is good to know that those days live on in the minds and hearts of others.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:42 PM

Anyone remember Barry Skinner of Coventry. he did an album called Abroad as I was Working

Nice version of the Martin Graebe song Honiton Lace, and he was a banjo player too.

Also the husky voiced Pete Shakespeare - who came from sort of Cannock area, I think.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:52 PM

Some of you folkies out there were also rockers. Anyone remember "Natural Gas" that played in Montreal for a bit? And of course there was some Irish folk music as well. A great band in the late 60's was "Cutty Sark". Then in the country scene was "Pete and The Country Gentlemen". My brother and I were on our way to the place where they played (The Wagon Wheel)on Union Street when a few trunks being refused entry set the place on fire. I believe 37 or 38 lives were loss.
Adrien (beer)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 08:54 PM

trunks "mean drunks".

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Knutson
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:24 AM

To David Asia - Incredibly well put. My sentiments exactly.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 05:39 AM

To weelittledrummer, could that be Paul Shakespeare you're thinking of?
He lives in Toronto and writes funny songs ...

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 06:16 AM

could be!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jo Mapes
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 12:03 AM

So great to read Frank Hamiltons post. Like Frank's, mine is more about the fifties.
I lived in San Francisco when I did my first concert, with Rolf Kahn.Iturned my old Junior high friend Odetta,on to folk music when she came to San Francisco.Frank Robinson(Banjo)backed her up then.
Guy Carawan told me that folks were hearing about me, in L.A. Said they reffered to me as "That new Peoples singer" I said "The what?"
Moved to L.A. and met Herb Cohen who introduced me to Frank. We took him out for his first chili dog. Herb introduced me to Butch and Bess Hawes, and their home hoots on Goat Gulch.
The novice folk singers would be sitting on the floor,at the feet Pete Seeger,who usually took a chair.
The floor sitters were Jack Elliot, Frank Hamilton, Marcia Berman, Fred Gerlach,Guy Carawan,Dave Zeitlin,and me.(That I can recall)Dave Zeitland had a gorgeous voice,and taught me "The ballad Of The South Coast".
The best times then, were Butch and Bess's place on Goat Gulch.
Daryll Adams, Jack Elliot and I hung out one night in a parking lot, leaning against James Deans car, waiting for hm to show, while Daryll entertained passers by, laying his banjo. He taught me a little banjo work, and his song, "Portland Town, which was a well known anti war song.He played a really nice double thumb strum.

Frank's banjo was amazing work was extrodinary.I also enjoyed his singing,and would ask him if he would,but he was uncomforatable about his voice.I liked it a lot.
Ed McCurdy and I did a "Camera Three"(T.V."Culcha"),
Bob Gibson,Frank and I appeared as a trio on Hugh Hefners"Penthouse" T.V show.
One more nameI must mention: Mike Settle. I didn't hear him until later, when we were doing the "Hootnanny" T.V show. Mike had the most straight ahead,clear voice I've ever heard. It went out straight and pure as an arrow, with no strain at all. When we did a duet, they had to turn his mike way down, and mine, way up.
If I go into the sixties, I'm going to be pre-viewing my book about all of us over the years, and so....I'll stop.
It's fun being here at Mudcat, I remember Frank Hamilton fondly, among other memories of those days.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 12:46 AM

Wow, Jo Mapes right here on this thread. I'm thrilled and honoured to be sharing a tiny corner of the universe with you on the Mudcat. I would certainly never think of you as "little known" at that time, and neither was Frank Hamilton. I was a little-known folksinger in Toronto and London, Eng., working under the name Joanne Hindley-Smith. Now I'm plain Joanne Crabtree. I was delighted to run into Hedy West here some years ago, and if Len Chandler checks in, I'll freak out totally!!!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Gary LeDrew
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 08:02 AM

I hung out in folk scene in Toronto in the early sixties.
I knew Al Cromwell he hung out at my bar in the seventies http://garysbar.blogspot.com/ I remember Websters and the cellar, John Smith, Joanne Hindley Smith, Dirty Shames, the Fernwood trio, The Cellar, etc. etc. I worked at the second Mariposa Festival (note I am not a musician)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 05:43 PM

Jo Mapes.

Outrageous!

Do you remember the record that you did with Rolf Cahn on Bay Concerts label? It had a picture of a steep San Francisco street on the cover and photos of you, Rolf Cahn, and Fred Gerlach (I think he was backing Rolf on some songs) on the back, with notes by Rolf. I encountered a copy in the late 1950s and learned a bunch of songs from it, including the duet you and Rolf do:   a beautiful rendition of "Delia's Gone." I stole that one wholesale, including as much of the guitar part as I could.

I had a chance to be in the Bay Area in 1959, where I met Rolf Cahn. At a party, I sang "Delia's Gone," and Rolf sat there grinning. He knew right off where I'd learned it. When I finished, he came over, knelt beside my chair, and said quietly, "You missed a chord." Then he showed me how to wind it off with a Dm rather than a D, and take it back to the A. The perfect touch! Actually, in just a couple of days, I learned an immense amount from Rolf. Not just chords and such, but a whole attitude and approach.

And from your sensitivity and perceptive touch with the songs, I learned a great deal by just listening to you on that record.

From what I started hearing on recordings in the early Sixties, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one who learned a lot of songs from that Bay Concerts record!!

Thank you, Jo, for your music.

And keep us posted as to how the book is coming along. I'm already pawing the ground waiting to read it!

Don Firth

P. S. By the way, I still have the record. It's a prized possession.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mitch Gawlik
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 03:22 PM

I hope you don't mind a newcomer sticking his nose in, but I've
been fascinated by the post. And it's great to see that folks like
Frank Hamilton & Jo Mapes are among you.

As a teen in the '60's my only avenue into the world of folk music
was Chicago's WFMT and its' program "The Midnight Special". Of
course I got to hear Gibson & Camp, Paxton, Ochs, Eric Andersen,
Frank Hamilton, Ramblin' Jack and so many more established artists.
But there were the others that some of you have touched on that I
only heard once or twice and then never found recordings of like:

Joe Klee ("Old Town")
Sam Hinton ("The Bent County Bachelor" and "Coyote")
Terry Callier ("Blues For Marcus")
Andy Stewart ("Donald, Where's Your Trousers")
Aliotta-Haynes minus John Jeremiah ("Rockefeller's Blues")
Fleming Brown ("The Ford Machine")
Biff Rose ("Evolution")
Stu Ramsey ("Rumble On Rush Street")
George McAlvey ("The Ultimate Rambling Song")
Grant Brader ("Boil That Cabbage Down")
Kevin Henry ("Penny Whistle")

They were and, basically still are little known, by me, 60's artists.
Again, my only contact with them was thru WFMT. Which brings to mind
a recording I've tried to find for years, I believe it was called
"Train On The Island/Brazilian Train" by Frank Hamilton & Volucha.
Fortunately, I still have it on a 7" reel from the late '60's.

I finally got to see live folk music by going to The Earl Of Old Town
and Somebody Else's Troubles in Chicago and seeing Fred Holstein,
Jim Post, John Prine, Ed Holstein, who's great "Jazzman" was recorded
by Bonnie Koloc. These are my little known folk artists along with
Ginnie Clemmons, Stuart & Jerome, and someone who seems to have
fallen off the face of the earth, a fellow named Steve Unger (Ungar?). WFMT had three songs by him that they played;

"Play In The Sun", "Division Street" and "I'll Be Moving On"

One other thing I'd like to touch on, Frank Hamilton mentioned that
Michael Bloomfield became mildly famous and someone took exception
to that statement. He stated Mike was a founding member of the
Butterfield band. Not so, I'm afraid. Elvin Bishop was in the original line-up and Bloomfield was playing around Chicago with
Charlie Musselwhite and others. I believe Bloomfield joined up at
the request of producer Paul Rothchild, but initially refused.

By the way, if anyone knows more about Steve Unger, I'd sure like to
know about it.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Gurney
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 11:03 PM

WeeLittleDrummer, you beat me to it, mentioning Barry Skinner.
The very first folk club I ever went to, (modern jazz was my thing, right?) Barry did a spot. He snarled out 'Fanny Blair', the most powerful performance that I'd ever heard, then, or since.

Never been game to sing it myself. It might affect some impressionable young person like it did me.

Barry was one of the founders of the folk revival in Coventry.
Unknown? Then, people like The Furey Brothers, Sean Cannon....

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 02:47 PM

I did a floorspot at one of those 'can't run a piss up in a brewery' attempts to start a folk club at Tamworth Arts centre - must be about 1977. Barry Skinner was the main guest. i remember he was quite clued up. he could frail his banjo. he was playing DADGAD on his short arm Gibson guitar, in that sort of rumpedy bumpedy style that Carthy was playing at the time. In fact he did Arthur McBride in that style - so very different in feel from the slow reflective way Paul Brady or Andy Irvine had just aboout started playing it in G tuning. Rosie Hardman was going round at the time playing a song about Irvine who was very much her cup of tea - called The Man who sang Arthur McBride - although she wasn't there that night.

Julie and Chris Lloyd (traddy Tamworth couple - very accomplished) did the support slot.

I bought the album - Barry said he was running a restaurant and getting about one gig a month, which he felt was about enough. Don't think I saw him again.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Aug 07 - 02:47 AM

Mike Bloomfield was known throughout England as he had a track on a sampler album which was cheap in a time (1967) when albums were expensive. The album was called The Rock Machine turns you on. Bloomfield was playing searing lead in an ensemble called The Electric Flag and they did a track called Killing Floor.

After that he came over as the Paul Butterfield Band - they were damn good, but by then the Blues Revival as lead by Mayall, and the Yardbirds, and The Stones, the Animals etc was nearly three years in the past. And English pop audiences DO crave the latest thing.

Also on the album were Moby grape (Can You see me), Tim Rose (Come Away Melinda), Taj Mahal (Statesboro Blues) and Roy Harper (Nobodys Got any money in the Summer).

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 11:01 PM

Ruth Pelham
Judy Gorman-Jacobs

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 12:56 PM

Has anyone heard, heard of, or know anything about a singer named Joe Hansen?   Or "Hanson", but I think the name was spelled with an "e." All I know about him is that he had a record out sometime in the mid-1950s (a 10" LP). He had a pleasant voice, a sort of reedy tenor or light baritone, and the drawing on the album cover showed him accompanied himself on an autoharp, which he played flat on his lap, not held upright with the left arm the way lots of people play one these days. I have no idea of where he was from or where he may have performed.

Of the maybe ten or so songs on the record were "All Through the Night," a sort of fast rendition of "Greensleeves" (with more verses than one usually cares to hear), "The Drownèd Lover," and the nicest translation (from the Welsh) of "Venture Gwen" that I've ever heard or read. That's the song I'm really looking for, but there were a couple of other good songs on the record that I haven't heard anywhere else.

A friend of mine had the record, but when he passed away some years back, his kids sold his marvelous collection of folk records to some second-hand record store (#@$%&!#! mutter, snarl!!).

Anybody?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Colin Randall
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 11:43 AM

I have come late to this thread, and just rejoined Mudcat after a while away, but would also like to mention Marie Little - a great singer and terrific person, with whom just about very bloke I knew in North Eastern folk clubs was madly in love.

Two bands from then: Therapy, with Sam and Dave from Northern Ireland and a fine English singer called Fiona, instrumentally brilliant though their traditional and covered Dylan/Cohen etc repertoire was much better than their own, slightly pretentious stuff

And the Reivers, a rollicking Geordie/Irish group fronted by Geoff O'Connell. Our folk club, Bishop Auckland, was heaving - and happy - whenever they played. But is memory deceiving me? Both may have been 1970ish

I am also trying to get an old friend from Co Durham, Phil Steele, badly affected these days by MS and no longer able to play, to write on Salut! Live about his own contribution to the circuit (excellent guitarist, decent blues/contemporary folk singer)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 03:02 PM

I noticed this in the line up for Fylde Festival this year:-

103 10.45am CHURCH SERVICE   Mount Methodist Church free

12.00pm with Fiona Simpson   Mount Road

Festival goers welcome.



I guess that's Fiona from Therapy and I notice theres a songwriter called Anna Shannon booked. I suppose that might some relation of Dave.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Warwick Slade
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 03:33 PM

I have not read every entry here but a few names I remember from my club in the Isles of Scilly in 60s:-
Barry Skinner (already mentioned)
Gwen and Gordon (from Wales)
Peter Collins (my cat did whoopsie in his suitcase!)
Contrast
John Steel (mate of Cyril Tawney)(remarried!!)
Jimmy McKinley (great pipe player)(Died)
Jon Rennard (Killed)
Martin Winsor (WE argued all night)
Brenda Wooton & John the Fish (Brenda gone but Fish still around)
Jack & Maggie King (tried to find them but fear nolonger with us)
and a scottish plumber working in Plymouth call DICK GAUGHAN (I wonder what happened to him?)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bankley
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 04:51 PM

to Guest Bob Ryszkewicz, glad that you mentioned Fred Torak earlier on. He's one of my very best friends ever. Living in obscurity in an art gallery in Vankleek Hill. Still teaches a few students. You're right he is a musical genius and mastered many stlyes. Used to be in a Montreal band in the early 60's called the Four Frenchman. None of the members were French. Anyhow, their manager would bribe the big concert promoters to book the band as an opening act for the important shows. That's how they opened for the Beatles, Stones, Hermits, Dave Clarke Five etc. They would make the payola bread back fast from the better local gigs after the publicity of the big shows.
He had a folk group early on that played a lot in Boston and the New England area. Howard Roberts stayed at his house when he was still living on Tupper St. Anyhow, Rick Whitelaw introduced me to Fred in '75. A year later he was producing my first(and last) vinyl album.
That one took a year. Did I ever learn a lot. So lucky that he was involved. He could read flyshit at 100 feet, and had hearing beyond the normal range. you might like to know that he wrote the English liner notes on my last CD. "Insurgent Sun" and played a guit. intro
on one of the songs. One of my dreams is to do a guit. duo project with him, while we still can. A remarkable person that shaped many aspiring players perception and direction. Get in touch, I'll pass along his contact info. I expect to see him in a few days.

To Frandsen. we met once or twice. I lent your bass player at the time, Danny Counts, an amp for a gig at the Golem. I think Danny Greenspoon set that one up. It was an old Fender Super Reverb. Not exactly built for bass, but it was a folk gig, so it didn't blow up or anything.I'm glad that you're still around. Also, the mad Micmac, Wille Dunn is a dear friend of mine. We played a lot together over the last 10 yrs. He just turned 66 a few days ago. That story about him and Patrick Sky is a hoot. We got into a lot of funny situations. Spent a week with him in Berlin once..

also Paul Geremiah, use to drop by my house when I was living in Montreal. We'd sit around and play, he'd tell stories. The first time I heard 'Louise' by Siebel, Paul sang it in the kitchen. Man, that's a person who I almost forgot about.... but it's been a long while. Glad this thread triggered my recall !.. so stay well all. Ron

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 10:51 PM

Hi Ron Bankley&Friends: Yes Ron, I just sent you a friend req on myspace...That whole time with Fred Torak, Rick Whitelaw, Howard Roberts(probably when he was in town doing the seminar at the musician's union), Frank Quinn(Bless), Paul Geremia, and various other bandidos, Frandsen, Koenig, Murdoch, Greenspoon, the whole crowd, was like a meteor shower of some very talented people. Everybody floating back and forth. I met Fred through Frank and Rick while I was studying Jazz Guitar. Anybody who can transcribe John McLaughlin's "Birds of Fire" while it is playing has got my vote. Still remember, although I've mentioned this before...Howard Roberts turns his back on the seminar crowd, strums a chord, and Torak goes Em7Flat5. Howard says, "right".
   During this time I was with Josh Onderisin(Guitar-Ian Thomas) in T.O. and we go to George's Spaghetti Joint/House to hear Barney Kessel. Everybody's chompin' on meatballs and there's a free table up front so I pounce on it, which gets Barney's attention, so he asks, "Musician's?" We move our heads up and down like those plastic German Shepherd dogs you used to see in the back of cars, like bobbleheads. What gets me about all these guys was their humility and generosity.
   I found this thread open just after I visited YouTube and was watching Tommy Emmanuel. He's got some great stuff up... See Y'all...
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Guitaropsimath
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 12:12 AM

What a great thread! These days, strolls down Memory lane are short ones, but I was delighted to see Tom Rush on Youtube with his Remember song. I saw Spider John Koerner at Merlefest in 2005, says he hates Rent Party Rag. But whatever happened to Denny Henderson and Bill Moss, 2 New Yorkers who spent the mid-60s in Texas?

Doug

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,rowan kris hill, formerly kris robinson
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 06:14 AM

hi
wow,looking through this section shot me right back to the time i came down from vancouver to play briefly but happily with ph phactor, and met a lot of great people, including mike atwood.   i was sorry to hear of his passing.   i wonder how and where davey coffin is these days, and paul bassett. davey and john hendricks were just superb musicians. i live way up in the orkney islands now but i do know where jerry murry is; he lives in canada,in vancouver. many thanks for the tales of walt robertson, who helped me get through the terrors of my first year playing for other people, at the ark.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 06:21 AM

What ever happened to that squawking 60's knob... Bob something or thing...

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 06:23 AM

do any of you Yanks remember a terrific young banjo player called Pete Roberts who came to England about 1966 to tour with Bill Clifton?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bankley
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:45 AM

what about Fran and Gilles in the Montreal area. Fran Aiken lives out near the Ontario border now. played a couple of gigs with Torak at the Mayshow in Vankleek Hill. Gilles Lozier lives in the NDG area, still tunes piano and is a walking archives of obscure folk and roots music. He took up violin after his long association with Ti-Jean Carignan. I saw David Whiffen out of Ottawa a few years ago at a concert supporting the CBC on parliament Hill. Mr "Driving Wheel".....of course there's a whole crew on the Franco side of things... the chansonier... a list onto itself....

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 02:38 PM

Gilles Lozier lives in the NDG area, still tunes piano and is a walking archives of obscure folk and roots music. He took up violin after his long association with Ti-Jean Carignan.

Gilles retired from piano tuning a few years ago and moved back to New Brunswick. Although I think he still back to Montreal often. I saw him about a year ago at Kirk MacGeachy's funeral in Montreal. Gilles was playing fiddle long before he hooked up with Jean Carignan. He fiddled on an early Chris Rawlings LP several years before his association with Carignan.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 02:45 PM

old helmet mcdowell,30 stone balladeer,used to play the fiddle with his feet.He once sang on the back of a dumpster at Cleveland show,throwing jelly tots at a pig with a wooden leg.His wife was a scrum half for wigan,and knitted scarves for the local hospital.He died trying to morris dance on the transporter bridge and was buried in the odeon cinema in stockton.Sadly missed by all local butchers and pie makers

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bankley
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 03:53 PM

thanx Ham, a friend of mine ran into him in NDG early on in the summer, I wasn't aware that he played fiddle that long. I remember him most with the upright bass. interesting man,...R

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 12:39 PM

Hi Bankley: Yeah I remember that gig with Danny Counts, who is still living in Roanoke Va, and still writing ridiculously funny songs. Got an email from him just the other day. It read: "Silence Is Golden, But Duct Tape Is Silver."

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mrmoe
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 01:31 PM

Anyone know the whereabouts of Mike Fairbanks, Janet (Blair) Klimoski, Ed "Jingles" Richman, or Paul MacNeil?.....New England performers of the mid to late 60's.....

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bankley
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 06:43 PM

Hi Erik, that's hilarious. Glad to know that he's still at it. We can use all the laffs that we can get. My buddy Jim Page, has a new song out called "Petroleum Bonaparte".... Jim's been going pretty well non-stop since the '60s... lives in the Seattle area now...
I'll send away for some of your songs, if the offer still goes.. stay well....

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:18 AM

Paul MacNeil -- Tom Hall

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 10:01 PM

Hey Bankley: Sure the offer still stands, but my printer is, at the moment, totally FUBAR so I can't print out the liner notes, tho I think I can get my lovely neighbor to do it for me. I'll ask. Meanwhile I open on Monday in the new musical, "John Goldfarb, Please Come Home!", with book by Bill Blatty (who wrote "The Exorcist" and other comic novels) and songs by wonderful, talented, modest me (plus Bob Hipkens and Michael Garin) at the Fringe Festival here in NYC. We shall then sell the option for huge bucks and move to Broadway where we shall sweep the Tony Awards and then I'll be able to get my goddam printer fixed. How's that for a plan?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 01:31 PM

Fastblind Eric Flatpick: Ah, you theek yer messages are not beink intercepted? It has long been known you haf exscaped to that country(You should be reading this in some bizarre Russian/Oriental Dialect)...Sounds like a plan. But listen, no nudity in the show, O.K. Unless, of course, they come up with some serious coin, major dubloons, liquid cash. Then, you NEGOTIATE for a percentage of the rights. Then you MAKE the Sons o' Biatches have M&M's in your dressing room. But only in the color and temperature YOU demand!!! And in the memory of Tex Koenig,"GET THE MONEY UPFRONT!!!!!!!"

bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 01:20 PM

Subject: RE: Little known 1960's Folk Singers
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 11:42 PM
There were a few other folks doing some folk music back then. Like Bob Martin. Anyone remember him? He's still playing somewhere. Art Traum? And of course, Loudoun Wainwright. (Opps, too big a name. Sorry).

Bobert

Re: The above message. I didn't see it the first time through this endless thread. I used to play with a guy named Bob Martin in California. I have been trying to locate him - last seen in Arizona, I believe. Where was this fellow from?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lee Gilliand
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 11:00 PM

Who found my name and where are you? I was with the Journeymen way back when . . . .
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,MARC S. SILBER
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 11:39 PM

Iknew Nick PARRY-JONES when I was in Cambridge,England Summer of 1965, and a bunch of us crashed in his King 's College room. It was One eyed Davey, the Harmonica Whiz, Danny Kalb, and me.
Later Nick came to NY for a visit and it was just when the BIG BLACKOUT occured. I saw him around the Village for a while and then never saw him again. I remember hearing Paul McCartney sing "I'M DOWN" on a recording when we stayed there with Nick.
Peace without bombs, Marc S.Silber
www.marcsilbermusic.com

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 02:04 PM

Randy Otoole,the limbless pole vaulter,used to launch himself into the crowd whilst singing Spinners songs.He died trying to swim the channel,he got cramp in his ears

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk - Willis Alan Ramsey
From: toster
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 01:29 PM

A few months back someone asked about Willis Alan Ramsey. He's still in the Texas - Oklahoma area. I've seen him play at the Old Quarter in Galveston (a direct descendant of the Old Quarter in Houston in the 60's where Townes Van Zandt played). He's performed with Lyle Lovett a few times as well.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 01:54 PM

Sorry about the keyboard malfunctions!

For Lee Gilliand: The question about Bob Martin, AKA "Marty" Martin, was from me - your-once-upon-a-time group member from Fresno. I have not been searching diligently, but would like to know what became of Bob. I hope "Moondanse" is doing well for you. It must be great to be able to pursue the musical muse as you are, long after most of us have limited our playing to an occasional weekend or just "noodling around." My heartiest best wishes!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 02:09 PM

Lee Gilliand: This is your once-upon-a-time musical associate from Fresno. From time to time, I have inquired about Bob (who also billed himself as "Marty Martin" when last I spoke with him, just after he returned from Viet Nam). As I may have mentioned in an e-mail I sent some time ago, Bob became acquainted with mind-altering substances while in the Army. To what extent that led to later issues, I don't know. What I remember about him is the gentle, creative side he showed when we worked together in the early '60's. I hope he has found a way to reach back and get in touch with that.

I hope "Moondanse" is working well for you. I'm glad you are still able to pursue the musical muse. As for me, though I have a closet full of guitars, it is mostly a weekend thing or simply "noodling around." My son has had a band for the past seven years. They recently were asked to work on a soundtrack for a film; the first real big break for them. They all work full time to support the dream.

All the best to you!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,elbows
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 11:33 AM

Old Sharky Fester,the shanty king of Grimsby,used to gut fish whilst singing songs about the local trout farm.He once sang under water for fifteen minutes but sadly never recovered consciousness and was buried under Vin Garbetts patio.A truly remarkable man

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bruce Farwell
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 06:07 PM

It was nice to find this site and see that some other people from the past remember me from the '60's. After leaving the Village, I performed with the Bitter End Singers and as a soloist for a few years. I later went back to college, but I have always kept my hand in music and now perform with my wife Renata as "Gemini".

Seeing so many threads from others about folk singers from the '60's made me think fondly of my own remembrances of lesser-known singers from that era. Let me cite a few:

Len Chandler--powerful singer, writer, performer. Great songs and one of my earliest influences in folk.

Sonny Moore--light blues player with a great low voice. I believe he is gone now, but he was a fine performer back in the Village days.

Fred Neil and Vince Martin--both excellent performers as soloists, but a knockout as a duo. They were mesmerizing to watch on stage.

John Townley--terrific finger-style guitarist, blues player

Bert Mason--powerful, riveting singer, style very reminiscent of Richie Havens.

John Bassette--powerful singer and performer, wrote a lot of good songs. Played as solo and in various groups, particularly Sammy Davis Review. Died last year after suffering a serious stroke.

Lance Wakely--excellent guitarist, did some soloing, backed up a lot of groups. Now living in Poland and touring Europe as Dr. Harmonica.

Paula Ballan--used to sing a little in the Village, but helped to get many performers booked into clubs and festivals all around New York. Still a home base for many wayfaring musicians.

Jackie Washington--excellent performer, one of the mainstays at the old Club 47 in Cambridge. One of my earliest influences on playing finger-style guitar. I think someone wrote that Jackie is still performing. I would love to see him again sometime.

Chris Smither--still going strong, writing some great songs, superb guitarist, still tapping his feet with every song. I still remember him singing in Boston and his great version of the "Titanic".

Robert L. Jones--tremendous performer of Woody Guthrie songs. Played a beautiful 00-40 Martin guitar, the first time I ever saw one of Martin's special abelone-inlaid guitars. I now have a couple of those special guitars.

Bonnie Dobson--beautiful lady, lovely voice, mesmerizing on stage. I understand she is also a college professor in England.

Raun MacKinnon--had a strong voice, great guitar style, disarming smile when you talked to her.


There are so many more to remember and who deserve to be mentioned, but I have already taken up more than enough time and space. This is a great site for all of to reminisce about the special days and special music that we sang and played in the '60's.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 04:56 PM

Memo to Bruce Farwell:
I cannot bear to think of Len Chandler as "little-known", but I guess you'd have to say that as performers go, he was a folksinger's folksinger. He had such a huge influence on the writing and performing styles of so many of us, including some who climbed to the very top of the fame ladder. Fortunately, Len did very well in the song-writing end of things, and never did fade away. He operated a successful and high-profile song-writing school in LA until just a few years ago, when he decided to retire. Last time I spoke with him, he and his lovely wife, Olga, had just returned from travelling in Europe.
Balladeer

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Aug 07 - 08:00 PM

The thing about Sharky Fester (that people forget)was his comely good looks and and generally sexually obliging nature, when he was a slip of a lad. There was some talk that he was the original Handsome Cabin Boy - a depraved fantasy that beset fisherfolk, particularly when they were pissing over the side, and thinking 'there must be something else I can do with this bugger'.

Far be it from me to hypothesize, but I reckon Sharky had his front teeth removed to further his career as the ships tart. I daresay it supplemented his meagre wages as a fish gutter - though they do say, he had a way with whitebait that was bordering on the inspired.

When you hear a reallly bad impersonation of Martin Carthy singing three score and ten boys and men set sail from Grimsby town and the the motor cruisers and two man kayaks and they all were drowned - its just like Old Sharkey Fester is in the room, only its in key, sort of.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,elbows
Date: 26 Aug 07 - 04:28 AM

I am so glad you remember him with such fondness,Weelittledrummer,he cartainly was a maestro.His rather smelly family will find comfort at your kind words,Sharkeys brother has promised to keep his memory alive and will be trying to beat his underwater shanty singing record in Whitby on monday.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Peter Mork
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 03:33 AM

In response to Angela, 26 May 2007:

I am happy to see Seraffyn remembered. He was my father's younger brother, real name Donald Mork, based in western Massachusetts. Not sure "freak" does him justice, but he certainly lived an unconventional life, and as a kid I always looked forward to a visit from Uncle Donnie. The stories he told were spellbinding - he'd improvise yarns about an obnoxious mountain-sized coyote named Reynardine, whose two weaknesses were gold and mashed potatoes.

He traveled the world, and it was his great joy to meet new people and perform anywhere, at any time. It was a sad day for the family when he was killed in a car accident in 1963.

The Columbia album didn't really do him justice, in my opinion. I have some recordings he left behind which I think were closer to what he was all about.

Peter Mork

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 02:57 PM

Seraffyn.

I remember in the early 1960s rummaging through the folk music bin at a favorite record store and spotting this record. As I recall, the cover photo showed a man, dressed like a medieval troubadour and carrying a lute, striding down a road. At first, I thought, "Is this guy some kind of nut?" Then, after thinking it over, decided, "What a great image! Modern folk singers, buskers, and such, whether they realize it or not, are following a tradition that is over a thousand years old—at least! And here's a person who is not only aware of that, but who honors it."

I was in a bit of a rush at the time and didn't listen to the record. When I came back, it was gone. I always wish I had, at least, listened to it.

Thanks, Peter!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 02 Sep 07 - 04:40 PM

About Seraffyn:

Angela's post mentions, "According to the bio on the back cover [of the record jacket], he graduated from Harvard and the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts, and received the Folksong Award at the Int'l Eisteddford in Wales in '53."

Just for kicks, I googled "Donald Mork." I didn't come up with much, but (along with this thread!) I did find some listings for a Shakespearean actor who was active during the 1950s and early 1960s.

Could this have been the same person?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Peter Mork
Date: 03 Sep 07 - 01:15 AM

The very same. He did indeed act, as did his wife Ania Romaine, who also toured and sang with him as Cherubim - a sort of proto-Sonny and Cher.

I mainly know about his acting career the same way you do, via Google. I knew him personally as a boy, and my memories are those a kid would have. Lately I've been gathering together the recordings he left behind, as well as some film which my dad shot of the two of them performing, with sound on tape that was never properly synched, and another sound film shot to promote Treadway Inns around 1960. I've looked online for other material but there isn't much. I hope sometime to get this in the public domain in some way.

Other stray facts about Seraffyn: he converted to Hinduism, was friends with the late Del Close, his lute was named Gretchen, and his cat would come when you whistled a certain jig.

Thanks Don for your reply. PM

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lee Gilliand
Date: 04 Sep 07 - 02:49 AM

Hi T.J.

So good to hear from you again. I don't usually check out this link, but decided to do so again tonight.

I had been in touch with Marty until about two years ago when he just dropped off the face of the earth for some reason. Phone number got changed with no forwarding number, and since I never did have his address, I lost touch through the mail as well. As of my last contact with him, he was living with a lady, whom he had known for many years, in Cottonwood or Flagstaff AZ. That was the last place I knew he was located. Barbara was a nursing home administrator in that area, so possibly you could trace Marty by trying to locate her. I don't believe they ever got married and I can't remember her last name either. There are not too many nursing homes in the Cottonwood, or Flagstaff area, so you just might be able to contact her.

Things are quite well here in Eugene. We are in the studio finishing up on our second CD called "Yesterday's Tomorrow" which should be out around the first of November. We are also touring in the Northwest quite a bit now and it is such a good life.

We are in the mindst of developing a brand new web site which should be up and running in about two weeks. The site will feature four new tunes from the new CD and have a much better look to it. The CD features quite a few original selections so it should do well.

Speaking of that, our first CD called "A MoondanSe Christmas" sold exceptionally well throughout the Northwest last Christmas and we will be pushing it this year again. We hope to be able to sell another 1100 plus this year if we are lucky. We will have ways to purchase either CD off our web page coming in a bit.

MoondanSe site can be reached by entering WWW.MoondanSe.com or just looking up MoondanSe on your browser.

My email address is [e-mail]   in case you would like to email me.

As we are travelling quite a bit, I may not be able to get back to you as soon as I would like so please use my email address to reach me.

What holds for next year is that our producer will be marketing us at the MIDEM Music Festival in Canes France in January. We are looking to go International with our music as there is quite a bit of interest in Americana music over seas. A year or two over seas wouldn't upset us a bit.

Good to hear from you again.

Lee

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Waqidi Falicoff
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 06:06 PM

I grew up in the NYC area and spent some time playing and listening in the folk clubs in the early to late 1960s. I used to go and listen at the Cafe Wha, Gerdes Folk City and even played at the Bitter End as part of a folk group (we followed Woody Allen to the chant of "Bring Back Woody". The emcee was my friend Richmond Sheppard. I had the pleasure (if you could call it that) to jam with Bod Dylan before he was well known. Actually he borrowed my guitar on one occasion. I remember several wonderful folk singers/musicians that no one seems to mention here. One was Carol Hunter. I think the first open tuning I learned was from a friend (Ken Hoopes) of a friend of Carol. It was an exotic Gm tuning for the song Anathea. I also witnessed one of the greatest 5 string banjo players that no one seems to remember. Players like Eric Weisberg and Roger Sprung sat at Gerdes in amazement of this fellow who I believe came from Boston to play on the open performing night. His technique was different in that he played a series of notes like a scale but it sounded like Scruggs picking. Frankly he was the greatest banjo player I heard during that time. I seem to remember someone said he was wealthy and came in just to play the night from New England. Hopefully someone here knows who this is!!

I was a little known singer song writer in the NYC in the 1960s. I published my first songs in 1964 with Southern Music Publishing who also held the material of Donovan. I wrote mostly music in those days and my lyric partner was a fellow named Jay Rosenberg. At one point Peter Paul and Mary was possibly going to record one of our songs. As I remember it the group unfortunately broke up at the time do to a problem that Peter Yarrow was going through. No one showed up for the appointed meeting at a NYC Apartment) I did perform on several occasions with little known singing groups in the NYC area (The Wafaring Strangers, Dr. John and Abelard). I remember once being cut short at a major concert when the emcee told us that Ray Boguslav had just flown in from the West Coast and would need some of our time. We stalled until the hook came out. Does anyone remeber Ray?

In early 1969 I decided to quite my computer science job and try my hand as a professional guitarist/singer song writer. I was very lucky as Hamilton Camp was making a comeback and he took me on as his lead guitarist. Around the same time I also got to accompany a wonderful singer songwriter named Penny Nichols. She was Jackson Browne's girlfriend at the time and Penny and I practiced once at his apartment which I believe was in Silver Lake district of LA. Penny finally released a new album some 30+ years after the original one in the 1960s. She is known by many as a wonderful coach for singing and song writing. She is truly one of the underrated singer songwriters' of the 1960s. As a strange coincidence I went to school at SUNY at Stony Brook in the 1960s when Jackson Browne was creating his wonderful music. I used to see him in the H dorm (he did not go to school there but hang out). Later he would open for Hamilton Camp and our group (The True Brethren) in 1969 at the Golden Bear In Huntington Beach.   Frankly I don't believe we ever spoke to each other, which is strange given all the near crossings we had.

There were many incredible folk artists that were little known in the 1960s. Perhaps someone here remembers Norm Pederson. (I think that is the spelling of the name.) My friend Ken Hoopes was also a wonderful guitarist who introduced me to this wonderful instrument.    There were also some who were very minor folk performers in the 1960s who later became famous in other fields of music. I used to jam with a fellow named Jeff Kagel at Stony Brook. Much later he became the famous Krishna Das (Indian Kirtan singer and musician). Some even became well known in opera--Jane Olian. She wrote some beautiful songs in the 1960s and is now a famous singing coach and professor of music at several of the universities in the NYC area. There are others who I knew. I will post some more when I get a chance.

Waqidi Falicoff

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 07:55 PM

I keep thinking of Dave Van Ronk's comment in his autobiog, The Mayor of MacDougal Street:   "in vinyl veritas." No matter how good you might be, if you don't have a record out, nobody except folks in your immediate vicinity know you're there!

I imagine there were (are) a whole host of excellent folk musicians who were kicking around in the 60s who may have had avid followings in their own communities, but who the rest of the country never heard of.

Case in point, Ray Boguslav. Good singer, inventive guitarist. I swiped several good songs off his record, "Songs from a Village Garret." But I never would have heard of him if he hadn't had at least one record out.

I sang all over the Pacific Northwest during that time, and I knew a lot of terrific singers who nobody outside this area seems to know anything about. No records. Since my voice is still in half-way decent shape, and since good quality home recording is now possible, along with distribution through the internet, I intend to remedy the situation for myself, at least. I'm about to start recording for a CD or two. Or three. Or. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 09:50 PM

Hi Kids! In reference to Don Firth's comments I would like to say that I too have wondered in amazement at some of the incredible music that just was never captured. Many, fortunately, realized the importance of capturing the moment. Among them ,Jimi Hendrix, who did his best to record everything. If you study the recordings, you begin to gain insights of how his mind worked as a musician. Invaluable stuff. Another, Sammy Davis Jr., who with his passion for photography, captured his era on film.
And now, here we are in the digital age, where the computer has become an all-in-one recording studio and distributor. The next time anybody who is reading this is thinking, "Well. maybe I should record," check out the book by Chris Anderson(Editor-in-Chief, WIRED magazine) called THE LONG TAIL.
The book will show you why the three most dangerous jobs in the world right now might be: 1/ Bomb Disposal Officer, 2/Test Pilot, 3/Record Company Executive...(who in one bloggers quip, "are being measured right now for their coffins") The book is about the economics of the digital age, where all that we knew as "The Record Business" is undergoing it's most profound change in history. Ah yes, the mp3, no shelf space required...
In a nutshell, what they are finding is that the demand for music, the niche market, is insatiable. That is to say, if you record it, somebody will buy it. Maybe not in large quantities, but your music will find an audience. The hits will always be there. But, The Long Tail of millions of digital recordings are THE source for people searching for interesting music around the world.
We can only dare to imagine what the world would be like if this technology was available at the time of the pyramids. Wait a minute, maybe it WAS available, didn't like what it saw, and went back to the Mothership, and let us humans fend for ourselves. Maybe that craft was piloted by some intergalactic Folksinger, who knew "The times they are a changin' WAAAY before Bob..."

:~) another bob
p.s. Don't forget to buy my album on iTunes(pick a country)
Rhapsody, Amazon mp3(soon), eMusic, Napster, Sony Connect, HMV, Virgin Digital, Zune, (get yer ringtones on GroupieTunes), and as soon as I finish this madness, it's back to work on getting the ole bob into WalMart, Best Buy, AOL mp3's, Billboard, Barnes and Noble, Y Music, somebody HELP me!!! This Folkslinger has gone wacky bananas!!!Or, has he??? BooYeah! Has the lightbulb gone on yet? Have you figured out I'm INTO IT? I have one last thing to say: Mac, Logic, Triton, Internet....

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 27 Sep 07 - 10:44 PM

Great, great reading Bob.
Thank man.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: topical tom
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 11:22 AM

There was a singer by the name of Texas Jim Robertson whose radio themesong was "My Saddlebag of Songs".Also, there was another radio performer by the name of Stu Davis. Does anyone remember one or the other of these men?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lesley Moore
Date: 18 Oct 07 - 02:58 PM

The Boston folk scene was a big one. Players at the Turks Head, Sword In the Stone and Club 47 were coffeehouses, and those who performed there eventually made records and most still perform. Tom Hall, Jaime Brockett, Rocky Rockwood and Kenny Girard, live in New Hampshire, Paul MacNeil lives in the Phillippines and comes back to California occasionally, I have a music publishing company in San Jose California, and Paul Lolax is writing music for Mel Bay, and has recordings on the Internet. Dan Gravas still plays, and Paul Geremia and Chris Smither both have wonderful instructional music videos, and I saw them in a wonderful Public Television film about playing the Blues. Chris Smither plays all over Europe - all the time. Playing music just gets better.

Music is forever.
Lesley
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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 18 Oct 07 - 03:15 PM

Hi Lesley - Welcome to Mudcat. Become a regular member and activate PMs - Tom Hall

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mike Frenette
Date: 23 Oct 07 - 12:42 PM

I used to back up Mike Fairbanks in the mid-70s. We toured New England, had a gig in Chicago for a while, then moved our act to Canada. Last I heard (many years ago) he was living in Bangor ME.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,pj in texas
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 12:54 AM

just dug out old album of bob grossman recorded at The Buddhi in Oklahoma City during October 1961. I was fortunate enough to be in the audience at the time. Bob was a tremendous show.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 12:36 PM

Bob (now Robert) Grossman made another album, a CD, a couple of years ago, which I think I posted about way up on this thread. He does killer versions of "The Surrey With the Fringe On Top" and "Brazil."

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Debby Onderisin-Precius
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 09:05 PM

Wow...Just did a search out of no where on my dearly departed husband Josh Onderisin & you came up !! I am looking for photos of my husband for my daughter's collections.

After leaving Ian, Josh came to Calgary where we met & married. We have 1 beautiful daughter, Christina who is now 24 yrs. old. Josh was performing in a duo, Copperfield Skye in Western Canada until his death in 1996.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 11:58 PM

Hi Debby(Onderisin-Precius) : It is so very strange & surreal to meet you like this in a public forum. I was a friend of Josh's here in Montreal. This is the first time I've heard of his passing. He was a fine man. If you would like to know more, you can Google my name, or visit my myspace page. Hugs & Blessings...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 06 Nov 07 - 09:22 PM

i will never forget old Spoon nose Mctaggert,half man half alsatian dog who played the water pistol with his toes.His sea shantys were a joy to behold,and his one legged morris dancing was simply sublime.He once fired a tortoise out of a cannon and smiiled at a passer by.He was a true pro who spent hours talking to his teeth.A REMARKABLE MAN

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 07 - 11:34 PM

Yes...small world...tried to visit your space but my computer kept telling me something was trying to attack it. At any rate...feel free to visit my website...Caribbean Star Promotions and Caribbean Star Dance Troupe based out of Toronto. Feel free to email if u like Bob. So nice to have another link from the past.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,missoula singer
Date: 17 Nov 07 - 11:18 PM

anyone out there remember a fella named don crawford. kinda a richie havens lookin guy. not young when i met him. used have a record h put out but lost it along the way. looking for lyrics to a couple of his songs. Thanks

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 18 Nov 07 - 01:23 PM

You know what would be really helpful. If these names could include recordings that they
made and if possible, where you could get them.

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Nov 07 - 01:33 PM

Don Crawford. Absolutely!

I heard him in the late 1960s, singing at The Ark in Vancouver, B. C. Excellent. I only hear him that one time and often wondered where he went from there. He did what I would consider the definitive renditions of both "Old Blue" and "John Henry."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,mike gouthro
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 07:24 PM

What a treat to read the fond memories of contemporaries in the folk music era. Now age 63, I liked the Kingston Trio but didn't really jump in with both feet till Dylan's Freewheelin in Montreal in the spring of 1964. A friend, Mac Grundy, knew Bruce Murdoch. Bruce was our guide into this new world before he headed to Greenwich Village for the first time.

I particularly enjoy reminiscences from the 1950's and early 60's before my time. This thread illustrates the rich history in major U.S. cities in those years. But I crave some details of the Montreal scene prior to 1965 – the venues and the performers.

I have Montreal memories of:

The Fifth Amendment (Clarke St) closed early 1965
The Penelope (Bishop St below Café Prague) mid 1965 – mid 1966
Café Andre (Burnside?) 196? – 197?
La Femme Foetal (Mountain St) mid65 – early 66
Venus De Milo Lounge (St Catherine) 195? - ?    1966 Folk Rock
The Blue Lantern later renamed The Totem Pole (Stanley St) late 1965 -1968?
The Montreal Folk Workshop (Park Ave Moose Hall) late 1965 – 1973
The Yellow Door (Aylmer) 1967 – present
The New Penelope (Sherbrooke) 1967 – 1968?
The Back Door (McTavish? & Sherbrooke?)   1969 - 1981
The Karma (Crescent and De Maisonneuve)    ?
The Golem (McTavish?) 1973 – 1991

Can anyone share recollections of The Seven Steps/Potpourri, The Finjan and any other Montreal folk venues that existed before 1965?

Thanks

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 08:56 PM

The Golem was was at 3460 Stanley Street; not on McTavish which was two blocks east of there.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 19 Nov 07 - 09:30 PM

Two blocks east of Stanley St. was Metcalfe which turned into McTavish north of Sherbrooke on the west side of McGill campus.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 04:47 PM

Use to hang our at the Venus Pup De Milo (Venus De Milo Lounge) but it was an Irish band called "The Cutty Sark".
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 04:51 PM

I saw Fraser and DeBolt there in '69 or '70.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,mike gouthro
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 09:05 PM

Montreal Venues & Performers

Thanks for the corrections and memories. I'll accumulate all responses and repost an enhanced list if enough info rolls in. Please continue to add your recollections of the venues and some of the memorable performances you took in. Let me know if you think a separate thread would be more appropriate.

My memory of the Venus De Milo was in 1966 where The Stormy Clovers from Toronto played several successful engagements right on the heels of the folk rock explosion started by Dylan and the Byrds in 1965.

Here is the corrected list of venues. And if anyone can provide info on The Seven Steps/Potpourri, The Finjan or other older venues – please fire away. I've contemplated plowing through online newspaper archives to get info on the pre 1965 Montreal folk scene – but my curiosity exceeds my stamina.   

The Seven Steps renamed The Potpourri (Stanley St) ?? - ??
The Fifth Amendment (Clarke St)    ?? - early 1965
The Penelope (Bishop St below Café Prague) mid 1965 – mid 1966
Café Andre (Burnside?) 196? – 197?
La Femme Foetal (Mountain St) mid65 – early 66
Venus De Milo Lounge (St Catherine) 195? - ??    1966 Folk Rock
The Blue Lantern renamed The Totem Pole (Stanley St) late 1965 -1968?
The Montreal Folk Workshop (Park Ave Moose Hall) late 1965 – 1973
The Yellow Door (Aylmer) 1967 – present
The New Penelope (Sherbrooke at Park) 1967 – 1968?
The Back Door (McTavish at Sherbrooke)   Apr1969 - 1981
The Karma (Crescent and De Maisonneuve)    ?
The Golem (3460 Stanley north of Sherbrooke) 1973 – 1991

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 09:53 PM

The Potpourri became The Seven Steps which became The Rainbow Bar and Grill (usually just called The Rainbow).

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mike gouthro
Date: 20 Nov 07 - 11:31 PM

Thanks bobad

I recall the Blue Lantern opening (late 1965 I think) a few steps below sidewalk level beside an entrance to Sir George Williams, across the street from the Pam Pam.

I was told at the time that the Potpourri had been upstairs from the Blue Lantern - and that it was a bookstore in the front with a performance space in the rear with a pot bellied stove.

Did The Seven Steps have the same layout ie books and live music?

I vaguely remember the Rainbow Bar and Grill coexisting for a time above the Blue Lantern but with no live music.

My Montreal memories are fuzzy having lived in Toronto since 1979.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bankley
Date: 21 Nov 07 - 09:41 PM

I played the Rainbow with Brian Blain, Semi-Koma, and also Slim Chance in the late 70's. There was live music regularly by then, including some good jazzers like Richard Sasno, Joey Armando...

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 03:54 PM

Does anyone remember John Bassett from Richmond, Virginia? He had a very deep and rich voice, and he sang lots of African-American spirituals and gospel songs.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 05:12 PM

Hi Kids!: Happy Thansgiving(you must have SOMETHING to be thankful for..)
I've been trying to recall the name of a small coffehouse that was in the basement of the Church that's in back of The Bay in Montreal(near The Yellow Door). Circa 1968-70...
The place had it's walls painted black and it's lifespan may have been measured in weeks. I believe it was run by a French singer. Other Montreal names that just popped into my head. Stuart Wooley, Noah Zacharin, Tammy Baylis, Dennis Brown.(may have been mentioned before)
There was another club in Chateauguay that a few people from the Yellow Door used to play, don't remember the name right now...
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 05:14 PM

I used to hang out with John in the '60's, played the same joints. He went back to Ohio, died there, a couple of years ago I believe.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 07:07 PM

Hi Bob, that church venue you mentioned strikes a faint bell, is it that one with a red roof on either President Kennedy or Ontario Street's. I vaguely remember being at a "hootenanny" in a church basement in that area around 1969. It had the tables with checkered tablecloth and candles in Chianti bottle motif if I remember correctly. Unfortunately I don't recall the name of the coffee house but the church may be The Church of St.John the Evangelist. Hopefully somebody's memory will be jogged.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 08:51 PM

bobad: Yes, you got it. When you entered the place, the walls were painted black. The darkest venue I've ever seen. There was a small corridor that went left for about 20 feet that led to a very small room. And as I recall, there were few, if any chairs.
It used to remind me of the beatnik joints/coffeehouses back in Rhode Island near Brown University. Met my first East Indian friend named "Jai" there. He had a small shop that had Sitars in the window, which he let me play. I bought my first "kirta"(Indian Shirt) there. How 60's is THAT? Don't laugh. If you are from the era, either you or your girlfriend had one. See through. My My. The days when you had to say "man" at least once or twice in each sentence. The "Hip" factor... So, it was Hendrix, Man. Not just Hendrix. Jai told me the sleeves were loose so you could roll them up for fighting. One of those paper thin jobs with so much starch in it, you could stand it up in a corner. I asked him," do you guys fight all the time?" Big smile, no answer. Saw J.Geils in one of those clubs.The other was called "The Mouthpiece". Used to watch Ken Lyon there. Both are still going...
Got picked up by a girl while standing on the corner near there. Me and 2 other guys. She takes us around the back streets for about 10 minutes, and we end up in a back alley of the women's dorm. Climb a fire escape. She knocks on a door. It opens. The girl is wearing lingerie. And she has 5 friends. Haven't seen that much underwear since I peeked at the Victoria's Secret Catalogue. (Sort of like saying you never inhaled.) HA. Anyway, the one who picked us up says to Miss Lingerie, "Well, I got them for you."
Apparently, the girls were in need of "companionship". One of them, was walking diagonally back and forth in high heels, wobbling & bobbling to and fro., saying, "we shouldn't be doing this, we shouldn't be doing this."
We ended up just TALKING all night long, drinking beer, and listening to music. Ah, youth!...

bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mike gouthro
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 08:59 PM

I remember St John The Evangelist, with its wonderful red roof. It's on President Kennedy near Place Des Arts. I too vaguely recall that church housing a one day a week coffee house for a brief period although I never attended.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:06 PM

"I bought my first "kirta"(Indian Shirt) there. How 60's is THAT? Don't laugh. If you are from the era, either you or your girlfriend had one."

Hell man, I still have mine, it's a bit snug on me but my wife often wears it.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:07 PM

WHAT was the name of that place. I THINK it began with an "A"...
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:18 PM

bobad: The kirta. Crackles when you open it. About 3 feet wide. Embroidery at the neck. Not an object worthy of the Vatican Art Collection. But somehow, I could never throw mine away either. And, I bet if it underwent a lab test, some of that starch would still be in there...And, if you just LOOK at it, you begin to sing some Donovan, "Sunshine came softly, through my windoww..."(Sunshine Superman)

bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 09:42 PM

Bob, could the name of the place have been "The Ark" or am I confusing it with another venue?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 22 Nov 07 - 10:11 PM

bobad: The Ark? Not sure. All I remember was that it was one of the darkest places I've been in...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 08:38 AM

Wow. I remember The Mouthpiece form my Providence days. It was on Thayer Street, right? Had a big painting of a mouth somewhere on the entrance. Ken Lyon is name I haven't heard for 30 years. 'nother Rhode Island folkster was Jay Bolotin. Don't know where he is. There was also the Mediator coffeehouse at the Church of the Mediator. And one at the Community Church, which may have been a new name for hte Mediator. My band, the Roughstone Ramblers, played there. Great venue. Providence had a wonderful folk scne.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 08:49 AM

667. Only did it to bet rid of the devil's number

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 09:32 PM

The Mouthpiece. Providence, Rhode Isand.Thayer, maybe. Too many years gone by to remember. An L-shaped room. Strange to play, since one audience was in one part of the L, which couldn't be seen by the other. sometimes material would go over on one side, and you'd get a different reaction on the other. Weird. Ken Lyon would play there, with me in the front row watching. I'd only begun to play at this time, so it was like a school to me. He'd do "Stewball", "Thunderbird Lullaby Means Everybody." "House of the Rising Sun", and other classic stuff...The place was kind of a link to the Boston scene. This is when I met Roy Book Binder, Bill Staines, Bill Madison, Chris Smither, Paul Geremia, and others.
I was with Roy in his apartment one night taping old records, about 8 hours worth on my reel to reel. Both he and Paul were into the real deal, like Pink Anderson, Son House, Blind Willie McTell, etc. The list is long.
This led to trips to "The Sword in the Stone" in Boston. The Newport Festival was a big thing, but somehow I never went. Everything was revolving around school, learning to play, and the Folk Clubs. This was the time when I saw Tom Rush. "Panama Limited", "No Regrets", etc. My college friends included people like Ron McLarty("The Memory of Running," "Traveller," "Sex in the City", "Spencer for Hire," etc.
Vietnam was hanging over our heads.(The time when Phil Ochs, Dylan, Country Joe and the Fish, Richard and Mimi Farina, Bruce Murdoch, spoke real loud to a whole lot of people...) You're taking final exams and the letters would be coming home, "Mom send me my shotgun, the gun they gave me doesn't work..." Flunking out meant in three weeks you'd be in Saigon...That Marine Sergeant. a huge black man, getting the boys ready for induction. "Now some of you come in here wearing panties and shit like that, well let me tell you sumthin', we gonna give you a test, and iffin' you don't pass, we gonna make you take it again..." All of that, of course, means nothing. (R.I.P.J.F.K.) Because we've come such a long way in 40 years...Oh fnerk, I forgot! We're STILL in some war somewhere...My mistake...(May God Bless your soul, my high school friend, Lee Menconi, shot in the back by a sniper...)
Sorry 'catters. I can't forget...(stream of conciousness writing right now...)
Back to music...
It makes you wonder how all of that was a moment in time, where just the right blend of personalities, music, and passion all came together.
And when you look at what's around you today, the Rap & Hip-Hop and all of that. I feel blessed to have be given the opportunity to have passed through that time...

bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 10:24 AM

In the early 70s one of the radio stations in Providence experimented with Ken Lyon doing singing editorials--an idea that seems radical even today. Ken wrote some interesting songs for his editorails, but the gig didn't last long. I might have been thinking of the Rubicon instead of the Mouthpiece when I mentionid Thayer Street. It's been a while.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 10:13 PM

This is one great thread. In fact the makings of a great book. I find all who have contributed have slowly put a generation of great stories in reference to music as to what it was like. Some of which I can relate to when someone mentions areas I have visited.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Art Thieme
Date: 24 Nov 07 - 10:55 PM

Ah, good people, alas, as I'm fond of saying: "If it wasn't for time, we'd have to do everything all at once."

Art

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 25 Nov 07 - 10:48 AM

And on a quiet, Sunday morn, on the outskirts of winter:

If you go to YouTube, and type in Paul Geremia, you can see a film called "The Rainbow Maker"...for which he did the music. The film is about Fire Departments around the world
who have gone to various locations to make rainbows by shooting water into the sky...

bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 25 Nov 07 - 11:18 AM

Hay Bob, type in Patrick Sky.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 25 Nov 07 - 12:59 PM

Beer: Yes. Patrick Sky & Pete Seeger on YouTube..

Reminds me of my old Tai Chi Master friend, Mr. Lee(Yang Style). Whenever you'd ask him how he felt, he'd always answer: "Young!"...

bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 26 Nov 07 - 10:40 PM

For a few years around about 1962, there was a circuit of sorts that included The Fifth Peg in Toronto, Le Hibou in Ottawa, and ... what was the name of the Montreal club that completed the circuit?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mike gouthro
Date: 26 Nov 07 - 11:49 PM

Was it Le Potpourri or The Seven Steps or the Finjan?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 26 Nov 07 - 11:54 PM

No, Mike. Was there a Fourth Dimension in Montreal at one time?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mike gouthro
Date: 27 Nov 07 - 03:28 PM

Ah yes...it's probably The Fifth Amendment on Clark St - Gary Eisenkraft's first club - open from 1963 to early 1965 - up a long flight of stairs to a long narrow room on the second floor.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 27 Nov 07 - 04:58 PM

Here are a couple of chaps that sang in the late 60's early 70ties around the Montreal area.
Perte Van Leeuwen and Terry Sullivan

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 27 Nov 07 - 08:28 PM

Thanks Mike. Gary Eisenkraft is a familiar name.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,folkmusicgirl
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 01:47 AM

When I was visiting UK in the 70's I bought a record album at a folk music shop by a British folk singer, DEENA WEBSTER. LP was released in the late 1960's. Have tried doing an online search for her name and she also released a few 45's in the 60's. I don't think she ever went on to release any other albums and no one seems to know what became of her. She had a very good voice and played guitar.

Another great Irish folk singer by the name of ANNE BYRNE released some LPs during the 1960's and she sounded very much like Joan Baez. She seems to have entirely disappeared from the Irish music scene and even after contacting some Irish sites, no one knows anything about her. She had an incredible crystal clear soprano voice and a voice similiar to Baez but perhaps not quite as strong as Joan's voice in those days. Anne sang traditional and Irish songs and played guitar.

When I was a very young teenager living in Los Angeles I knew a folk singer guy by the name of MARTY OWENS. He used to play this incredible Martin guitar and had a great voice. He was very young, about 17 or 18 years old but was singing Dylan songs and had this really beautiful voice. He played at some small coffeehouses in L.A. at that time. Last I heard (many years ago now)he was living in North Carolina somewhere but I am not in contact with him at all. Don't know what city he lives in or if he is still involved with music. He even looked like Dylan when he was 17 years old.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Duke
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 10:17 AM

Balladeer: Gary Eisenkraft hung out with Elise(not sure of the spelling) Weinberg in Toronto for a while. I met him there. I did not know him all that well as I was a friend of Elise's and spent a lot of time with her. Haven't heard of him in years, or Elise either for that matter. Last I heard of her she was living in LA and had changed her name to Corrie Bishop.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 07:08 PM

Gary Eisenkraft died of a heart attack two or three years ago. He was in his late-50s.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,stuck in the 60's
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 08:47 PM

I just found this site. It brought back some memories. I was a waitress in the Cafe' Wha in the late 60's. Jimmy James and the Blue Flames just finished playing there. The house band was the Raves. We had Catmother, Kangaroo (John Hall w/Orleans and ND Smart w/Mountain), Night People (Bob Mason drummer), Hello People, Banchee, Cherry People (a lot of "People" groups), Ramones, gosh, so many of todays musicians played there. What a time to live in the Village.

The owner of the Wha, was Manny Roth, David Lee Roth's uncle.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,stuck in the 6-'s
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 09:26 PM

Now that I had a chance to read so many other posts, my memories don't fit the folk category, but since searching for Cat Mother brought me to this site, I thought I'd post a comment.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 09:45 PM

Sign up and be a member. You'll enjoy most of it and make friends. It's a great site.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 11:24 AM

Dear Stuck in the '60's, I worked the Wha and other basket houses about the same time. If you join we can PM each other. Love to hear from you.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 11:48 AM

Gary Eisenkraft
Music pioneer, farmer, son, brother, spouse, father, friend. Born April 9, 1945, in Montreal. Died Dec. 20, 2004, in Honeydew, Calif., of heart disease, aged 59
HARRIET EISENKRAFT

Globe and Mail Update

March 3, 2005 at 1:52 AM EST

Music pioneer, farmer, son, brother, spouse, father, friend. Born April 9, 1945, in Montreal. Died Dec. 20, 2004, in Honeydew, Calif., of heart disease, aged 59.

My sweet-hearted only brother, Gary, had a complicated start to life when he contracted polio at the age of 4; what he always remembered about that time was the intense care he received from his recently divorced, single mother, Diane. In 1950, Diane married Gus, whose last name Gary adopted.

When he was just 15, Gary travelled south to help in the U.S. civil rights movement. He came back home with exciting tales for his three fascinated sisters -- with a guitar in hand, and music to share: Woody Guthrie songs, gospel and blues, folk songs and anti-war protest tunes. He never went back to high school. Instead, he learned great lessons on the coffeehouse circuit, particularly in New York City.

Gary was still a teenager when he wondered how he could bring all the great talent he was hearing to his hometown. And so in 1963, he started what became a series of Montreal coffeehouse-clubs -- the Fifth Amendment, the Penelope, the New Penelope -- featuring the famous and the emerging-famous from the worlds of blues, folk and rock: among them, Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee, James Cotton, Frank Zappa and Dave Van Ronk, who one night included Both Sides Now in his set. Gary told me: "Next month, the songwriter, Joni Mitchell, will be appearing here; I think she's going to be a great star." He was right about that with so many others, too, who played his clubs before they hit the big time: Gordon Lightfoot, Kate and Anna McGarrigle (then part of the Mountain City Four), Jesse Winchester, Ian and Sylvia. He brought some of them home for Shabbat dinners or billeted them overnight, much to the delight of me and my teenaged friends.

With his elegant girlfriend, Melinda, at his side, in his granny-glasses and long hair, Gary was the epitome of cool in those days. But people who knew him now mainly recall his sense of humour and his generosity: all musicians got in free and there was usually a job and a couple of bucks for his unemployed friends.

Gary's forte was never the business end, so when the music world grew more complex and commercialized, he moved on. Later, he recalled the kindness of some musicians; after he locked up the New Penelope on its final night in late 1968, he turned around to find blues great Paul Butterfield waiting to walk him home.

When Gary and Melinda split up, he visited California and then Hawaii, where he learned to sail and met Susie, who became his wife and mother of his only child, Riva. Gary tried to make a go of fatherhood, near her family in Indiana, but he couldn't abide life there and headed back to northern California, asking Susie and Riva to join him (they never did). He settled in the mountains near the Lost Coast.

Over the last 16 years, with his partner, Elizabeth, he homesteaded a patch of land and then bought more acreage nearby to save his beloved redwoods from the lumber corporations. Gary's passion for music transformed into one for the environment.

Gary's health had started to deteriorate a few years ago, but his death still hit us hard. He wished to be buried on his land but, when state law forbade that, Elizabeth asked us to bring him back to Montreal. At his funeral, family and friends -- including some of the musicians who had played in his clubs -- honoured him: besides the traditional Hebrew prayers, my daughter played some fiddle tunes and accompanied us on guitar while we sang The Circle Game. We buried him on Mount Royal, far from his California mountain, but in the city that he had once loved and endowed with a musical legacy.

Harriet is one of Gary's three sisters.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bankley
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 12:13 PM

Gary sure woke up Montreal. wasn't too concerned about categories. The New Penelope... from Lightfoot to Zappa! I remember a young Elvin Bisop, J. Geils, Sonny&Brownie, Lynn County, Duke Edwards and the Young Ones.. always some great talent appearing... just a shout away from The Swiss Hut.. that's a story unto itself...

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GrandpaBill
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 01:23 PM

Well this is a cool thread!
Lots of names here I remember.
Bruce Murdock- didn't know he was from Montreal. His music is really hard to find, although I still have a very scratchy cassette of his 3 songs from Elektra's "Singer-Songwriter Project" (Farina's songs never made it to that LP, by the way. They are listed on the record jacket, but missing from the record! The whole Lp was 35 minutes long).
I heard Bruce Murdock at The '68 Newport Festival (only one I ever made it too). I remember he did a duet with someone (forget who) on "North To Alaska", the old Johnny Horton song. Heard Jean Ritchie and the then "young and up and coming" Tim Buckley and Taj Mahal that weekend too.

Len Chandler, Fred Neil, Eric Von Schmidt, Jo Mapes, Mark Spoelstra- all among my favorites, and I still listen to this stuff- prefer it to a lot of the "new" stuff out there, though some is quite good.

"The Sword In The Stone" in Boston- that brings back memories. I remember seeing Jamie Brockett with his dulcimer there- really good.
He had a tune or maybe even an album titled "Saint Botolph Street", if I remember correctly. I lived on St. Botolph street for a while- the cockroach capital of Boston. Bill Staines, as well. Played there myself one night, on the 'open mic' night. But not getting on stage until 12 midnight gets old fast.

Some of these folk's recordings can still be heard (legally) via "Rhapsody"- they have a rather amazing selection of 60s folk recordings. No Koerner, Ray and Glover, though ;-(, but lots of Paul Clayton ;-).

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 01:36 PM

So who were you then, before you became Grandpa, Bill?

Jaime Brockett lived on St Botolph Street at one time. Also, I ran hoots at the Sword from time to time - Tom Hall

PS - Bruce Murdoch is also known as Peace.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GrandpaBill
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 03:28 PM

Tom,
Well nobody, really. Just a kid with a guitar who decided to play at The Sword In The Stone on an open mic night. Would have been in the Summer of '69, probably.
I remember I played a rendition of John Fahey's "Last Steam Engine Train" as my opener. Fahey was my guitar idol- I played a lot of his tunes. Can't recall what my other 2 alloted songs were. One may have been a cover of Dave Van Ronk's cover of "Ace In The Hole", which I was quite fond of at the time. I was pretty nervous. Sang too loud to compensate. I was not the hit of the evening.

I'd moved to Boston from Syracuse, NY, on a whim and with a new girl friend, in the Spring of '69.
For some reason, Boston seemed like "the place to be". A number of people I knew moved from Syracuse to Boston that Summer. Syracuse did not seem like "the place to be".

I had a $20/week room on St. Botolph street (can't remember the exact address) during a 2 month period, when my gal and I broke up for a while. We later got back together. Happy ending. I bid the cockroaches Adieu. We moved to a great 3rd floor apartment on Harvard St. in Brookline. $140/month-that was a lot back then. Worked for the Telephone Co.- still good 'ol Ma Bell, back then.

My best Boston story:
A friend of mine, Danny, who was a very good harp player, also moved to Boston that summer with his girlfriend.
Danny and I had played music together since high school.
He comes to my place on St. Botolph one day and says: "Hey, I sat in with this guy last night." (I forget the club he mentioned) "He's a pretty good guitar player and writes his own songs. Name's Townes Van Zandt. I told him about you, and he wants to meet you and get together and play some music."

My reply: "Nah, I'm not into it right now. Not playing too much right now." (I was all bummed out about breaking up with my gal. Life had lost all meaning. LOL).

Pretty funny, huh? Nobody had heard of Townes Van Zandt at the time, at least I hadn't and Danny hadn't either, and we kept up pretty good with who was who on the "folk" scene. Always wondered what would have happened if I'd taken him up on it and played some tunes with Townes. ;-)

Fond memories of Boston back then. Saw Fahey and Seatrain at the Catacombs. Tom Rush at The Unicorn. John Lee Hooker at The Jazz Workshop. Ken's Sandwich Shop, on Boylston or Commonwealth, I believe. The Sphinx Bookstore at Central Square. And of course The Co-Op at Harvard Square for all my folk music needs.

When did you host The Sword In The Stone "Hoots"?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Josh Cohen
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 11:19 PM

My friend Joel Fleisher & I used to hang around The Cage.
I took my first mandolin lesson from Lee Aaron
around '63 as best I can remember but I began
playing (well, I called it playing (-; )
in the early 60's. My dad's old
Martin mandolin that was
eventually stolen.

Went to Union Grove where I saw Winnie Winston & The New York
Ramblers win Best Band playing Don Reno's "Follow The
Leader." I'll never forget it. Eric Thompson on
guitar.

Joel & I Saw Len Chandler at SF State Univ. about 9 years ago
& know he lives in LA. I used to hang around Kenin's Guitar
Workshop on 19th St. in Philly when my friend bass player
Dean Levitt & I lived directly above the R & W Deli next
door. About a half block from Rittenhouse Sq. Used
to hang around the at the previous workshop when
it was in N. Philly. (Hunting Park Ave.???)
Anyone remember Donny Green?

I knew Bob Tanner (Tangrea) in those days and brought him
to John Herald's house in Woodstock. Those were
great daze. Bob joined the John Herald Band &
I was at the live recording at Max's Kansas
City in NYC. I still have that vinyl.
I was a Greenbriar Boys nut...

I got the then new Community College of Phila. to put up
money for a resurrected Greenbriar Boys concert
that featured John, Eric Weissberg on Banjo
and I recall Jody Stecher (I see him
frequently as he lives in the Bay
Area) on mandolin. Of course
this was post the great band
of John, Ralph Rinzler & Bob
Yellen, but it was still
great music.

And what about "Separation Blues" singer &
Van Ronk's friend Pat Sky? I believe he
builds Irish pipes... Who can forget
"Separation Blues?"   

I should mention that I see Raun MacKinnon, now Raun Burnham
and her husband Jerry once every year or two. They are
great folks & live in LA. Raun just put an upload
of 70's tunes on CD Baby - Raun MacKinnon
Archived Sessions..

Wonderful! Check it out: http://cdbaby.com/cd/rmackinnon

Josh Cohen
Martinez, CA

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,C. Ham
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 10:58 AM

Bruce Murdock- didn't know he was from Montreal. His music is really hard to find, although I still have a very scratchy cassette of his 3 songs from Elektra's "Singer-Songwriter Project" (Farina's songs never made it to that LP, by the way. They are listed on the record jacket, but missing from the record! The whole Lp was 35 minutes long).

I have a copy of the LP that I bought circa 1968. Farina's songs are on it.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mike gouthro
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 11:36 AM

One evening in Oct 1966 I paid $1.25 to see pre-Woodstock Richie Havens perform at The Blue Lantern in Montreal. Gary Eisenkraft took over the management of this club during 1966. The Blue Lantern, on Stanley Street, was downstairs from the legendary Potpourri which closed in 1962/63. Dylan played several nights at the Potpourri in the summer of 1962.

Around 8:30pm the emcee announced that Richie had travel problems and wouldn't be able to make it to Montreal. Penny Lang, a local performer, agreed to fill in for Richie. 15 minutes into her first set the emcee whispered to her. She smiled and left the stage saying she would be back later after another performer played. We thought Richie had made it after all.

A few minutes later Gordon Lightfoot came in the front door with two guitar cases. The emcee announced that Gordon had just come from a local radio station where he was promoting his new single Spin Spin. The host of the radio show, Paul Reed, was rumored to consume a bottle of scotch every night on air. Gordon was keen to perform for us and alluded to helping the radio host kill his bottle of scotch.

In spite of the scotch, Gordon performed solo for over an hour and never missed a step. Near the end of his set, he said he wanted to try out a new song he had just written for an upcoming TV special. He apologized in advance for any possible stumbles then proceeded to do a flawless Canadian Railroad Trilogy on his 12-string Gibson.

I have a feeling everyone in the coffee house that October night tuned in on Jan 1,1967 to see Lightfoot debut a full orchestral version of the Trilogy on a CBC TV show celebrating Canada's centennial. The Trilogy finally made it onto an LP in the spring of 1967.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 12:46 PM

Great story Mike, thanks for sharing.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Josh Cohen
Date: 06 Dec 07 - 08:22 PM

Two quick reminisces:

Richie Havens -

My ex Sherry & I were on our way to Woodstock
on the NY Thruway or a similar highway
when we observed two guys on cool
'cycles to our right.

Richie Havens & I don't know who... We motioned
them over and sure enough we all stopped at
the upcoming restaurant-rest stop where
I spoke to Richie for about a minute.
Believe I said I was an acquaintance
of John Herald's and one or two
other things. Very short,
but after-the-fact a
nice remembrance.

Dylan -

I've been in and out of the art business for years and meeting important, well known artists never phased me. Same for MOST musicians. Many of us were around the coffee houses and
festivals we're writing about and met, saw or perhaps
played with a lot of well-known performers. I used
to hang around the small upstairs performers room
at Manny Rubin's 2nd Fret in Philly like some of
you. Many a now-famous performer played The
Fret and most were accessible.

Anyway, I was working back stage security at the Philly Folk
Festival (having worked my way up from Parking Lot!) and
Dylan came to see Bromberg perform. He and Robbie
Robertson (I'm 95% sure it was him)& a few
friend's were sitting & enjoying the show
in the secured area for performers and
press in front of the stage when the
Chairman of Back Stage Security or
someone of his ilk asked met to
get money from Dylan's
entourage, buy them
food and bring it
to 'em.

Well, I admit that I was a bit frazzled. Got special
treatment at the food tent & brought them their
order, standing about two feet from Bob when
one of the guys I thought was in
The Band (I recognized him but
couldn't place him) had to
ask me for his change.

I was embarrassed! Wanted to be oh so cool around Dylan. (-;

A lot of us knew he was there and there was talk that he
might perform but that didn't happen.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 07 - 09:52 AM

Alexandre Zelkine, a folksinger who sang in many languages. Anybody know whatever happened to him?

I think he was Russian, then lived in France and came to Canada in the '60's. I have a couple of LP's, the most recent from the early '70's. Haven't heard of hom since then.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 07 Dec 07 - 04:43 PM

Alexandre Zelkine. Yes, I remember him, but have since lost contact..
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 07 Dec 07 - 04:48 PM

A google of his name shows some stuff.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Dec 07 - 06:13 PM

Jon Toly was my brother. He passed away in Portland, Oregon in the early '80's.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Dave Hard
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 08:58 PM

Two folksingers I've never seen mentioned in the same breath as the 60's scene are myself and Adele Assante. We played the Tete-A-Tete Coffeehouse in Providence R.I. along with such favorites as Michael Cooney, Paul Arnoldi, Paul Jeremia, and Leonda. It was a real hoot and Adele had the voice of an angel. Unfortunately. people kept saying she was trying to sound like Baez....she naturally sounded like Joan and, I think, had a more pure voice. Still have some wobbly reel-to-reel tapes of us at the Tete and the Ballad Room in Newport...Curious if anyone remembers those days in Providence.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Ivan Ulz
Date: 24 Dec 07 - 04:37 PM

Don't forget Steve Mann of San Francisco, if he hasn't already been mentioned.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 30 Dec 07 - 09:41 PM

Hi Kids!:

"The fat jazz that a cat blows wails long after he's cut out..." - Lord Buckley

"AND HE SAID, DIG INFINITY! AND THEY DUG IT.." The Nazz - Lord Buckley

Happy New Year! All the best for 2008...

A little early, but it's got to be tomorrow somewhere...

bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Gary
Date: 03 Jan 08 - 01:37 AM

Thanks to everyone for sharing your stories and insights. As many have said, it brings back such memories.

Art Thieme and others covered Chicago scene pretty well. I didn't see Jim Post's name mentioned or the consummate side man, Randy Sabien. Last I heard and saw, Randy was living in Eau Claire, WI and still playing.

Someone mentioned Alan Arkin, but did not see a reference to The Baby Sitters.

The saga of Mike Bloomfield. Great guitarist. Up the thread someone mentioned his work with Electric Flag, there was Bloomfield and Cooper Super Sessions, etc. He had a brother who was as good if not a better guitarist then Mike. Don't know what happened to him.
(Old Chicago family, Mike's father was an executive with Beatrice Foods)

Finally, I may have some of this wrong, but here's what I remember. There was an effort to try to franchise a string of national folk clubs/coffee houses in the 60's called Your Father's Mustache. There was one out on Long Island, and others around the country. There was a group or possibly more than one by that same named that played at them. One played on the Johnny Carson Show one night.

Anyway, one of the guys had a dual career as an architect and was part of the design team for the clubs and played numerous string instruments in the band, Jeff Olswang. Jeff is still teaching architecture in Milwaukee. Also still dabbling in stringed music.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,folkmusicgirl
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 08:22 PM

Hi Dave:

Just wanted to ask you if you might have any tapes of yourself and Adele playing at the coffeehouse and do you have a website I can contact you at?

Thank you,
Lin

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 08:52 PM

Guest Gary.
I don't know anything about a franchise but there was a "Father's Mustache" in Montreal right besides the Montreal Forum. What a great place it was. Monday night was nurses night and the ladies would get their first beer free. There were some terrific groups that played there.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 08:55 PM

I just read back and see that you have it down as "Your Father's Mustache". Maybe this one was called that but I remember it as "Father's Mustache"

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: mike gouthro
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 07:58 PM

The Moustache in Montreal was a jumping spot for a few years. My recollection is that they featured Dixieland music. During the 1967 Montreal World's Fair, the theme song "Canada" was sung there nightly to raised glasses. It was one of the earlier clubs in Montreal to offer large jugs of beer.

My future wife attended a few times in 1967 when she was in nursing training. One night, two strapping jocks were impressing the women with their membership on the St Louis Blues - an new NHL expansion team. My wife was not sports savvy. She quickly noticed the disappointment of one of the jocks when she asked him what instrument he played.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 06 Jan 08 - 09:42 PM

Bet she trained at the MGH? I remember taking my brother in law there. He had never been in a club so I thought I'd give him a treat. He purchased the first round and after some time I was wondering why the fellows who came around to take your order was ignoring our empty pitcher. I asked my country boy hick if he had tipped the waiter and he said that he gave him a quarter but he gave it back. I promptly located the greedy fellow and apologized explaining that my buddy had no idea in the tipping procedure and ended up giving the fellow a 2 dollar bill which was way more than he should have gotten. I think the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band played there as well.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Robert Gahtan
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 10:42 PM

I had a regular gig at the Turk's Head and the Orleans Cafe on Charles St. in Boston. I was extremely irregular in a variety of additional cofee houses, under the name of Bob Gahtan. I am even less known than the curring folk singers on the list since I was not included!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,fiftyford
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 04:33 AM

Leonda was my closest friend and her ocelot was named Ouippi (I'm not sure of the exact spelling, but it was pronounced "yoo-wip-ee." When I first "met" Ouippi, I was known as "Bullwhip John," because I carried a black & white braided bullwhip over my shoulder... as an article of apparel. At Leonda's apartment, Ouippi was in his cage and when I showed her how I made my bullwhip "pop," he went bananas - growling and hissing. (He startled me and scared the crap out of me.)

I helped Leonda & Billy move to the Berkshires, where they still live. There, Ouippi was allowed to run loose around the house and in the back yard. He, eventually, disapeared into the woods in their back yard and was never seen again. They have 5 kids. Their oldest, Agonna, is a singer whose voice brings back memories of Leonda's singing... though her style of music is different. Leonda still makes a rare singing appearance. She played at the Green Rooster in Worcester a couple of years back and was scheduled to play at the Club 47's 50th anniversary show, this month, (1/6/8). I was in Florida at the time and don't know how the show went.

Her 1969 album, "Woman In The Sun" was recently re-released on CD and is currently available. (Google it.)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 08 - 06:23 AM

I saw Bill Barclay as a hairdresser on an old Taggart last night.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Deljeanne
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 06:23 PM

Wow!!!!! A friend of mine called me today to tell me he googled my name and this whole site popped up with my name in it! Talk about walking down "memory lane"! I played folk music in Providence, RI and Newport, RI, also had one gig in Boston at the Turks Head Coffee House. Mostly played in RI. Went to all the folk festivals in Newport. Played at the Mouthpiece which by the way was not on Thayer Street but Benefit Street in Providence. Played gigs with Paul Geremia,Bill Madison, Chris Smithers, Barry Brown and Leonda!!! Was playing at the Ballad Room in Newport when a young Taj Mahal rocked the joint!!! I was billed as a Joan Baez Disciple otherwise known as a Joanie Phonie!!!! Ha! Thayer Street in Providence was such a hip place in the 60's! I was a regular performer at the Tete-A-Tete and across the street a kind, gentle man by the name of Jagdish sold Indian saris and started a business called India Imports! A brash, blowsy, red-headed woman named Justine ran the Tete. The Providence Journal just ran a three page article on Paul Geremia. Paul has remarkably stayed true to his "muse" and hasn't "sold out"!!! He has a dvd coming out on his life and playing the blues for almost 45 years.Thanks for the memories!   Adele Assante

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 06:57 PM

Thanks Adele: That cleared up a few things for me. If you see Paul Geremia. Please say hello for me, last time I saw him, he was on his third motor...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 08:08 PM

Bob gahtan, I remember you well. You weren't performing that locally after I got to Boston. If memory serves, Eliott kenn brought me and maybe a couple others up to your pad for a great evening sharing songs. You were the consummate host, a coffee table sporting a large jug of wine, glasses, a pot of herbs and papers. Good to hear from you.

fiftyford John, were you the night shift computer guy who Id see at Haskell's and who once boasted a shirt from the original Broadway production of Camelot?

Adele, I'm afraid I can't place you in my memory. Perhaps that's because I was late coming to Boston. You mention Providence and some of my friends from there, Bil and Paul, but what of Pam and Ray, and Bill Brown?

To help fix myself in your minds, I mad a fw forays to Boston in 66-67 with Danny Gravas, settling there myself in June of 67Played the Sword in the Stone, the Turks Head, Adam's Rib, the New World, usually accompanied by Paul Lolax.

Keep the old memories coming - Tom Hall

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 12:07 PM

Anybody remember a Gil Turner song that went "Standin' in the rain, tappin' on the window, tappin' on the window on a Christmas Day."? Gil Turner, "Old Leather Lungs" as he was known in some circles. Great guy, helped me get gigs by strong-arming club owners, notably Mike Porco.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 12:31 PM

I was saddened to read, in yesterday's paper, of the sudden and unexpected passing of John Stewart by way of a brain aneurism. Granted, he may not quite qualify for lesser known status, but his integrity in the way he pursued his music almost guaranteed he wasn't a bigger name. He wouldn't "play ball" with the big music producers in order to gain wider fame and distribution.

I remember, in the early 1960's, when founding member of the Kingston Trio, Dave Guard, decided to leave fame and fortune behind for more traditional music and teaching youngsters, which he was successfully doing in Australia when cancer took him. The Trio took on a fellow with whom I was only marginally familiar, one John Stewart, who eventually became a more familiar figure than the man he replaced.

His legacy, headed by "California Bloodlines," is for others to reflect on, which I am certain they will. I had the pleasure of meeting him at a semi-private "reunion" concert with Nick Reynolds and Bob Shane some years ago in our area. Nick's family and friends were all in attendance, along with his very accomplished nephew, Joey Harris, a fine guitarist in his own right. John's contributions, as a songwriter, singer, instrumentalist and entertainer were all on display in a small auditorium which barely contained him. Bon Voyage, John. Thanks for the memories.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Carolyn R. Minke-Smith
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 01:08 PM

As far as little known folk singers go, my parents were some of Cleveland,Ohio's best in the 60's and 70's. They were the house group at Faraghers Back Room for quite a while.Dick,Georgie and Don Minke,who went by the name The Shawnee Three or sometimes Trio. From Faraghers, they went on to play at Gallaghers at 22nd and Euclid for over 2 years six nights a week. With many,many gigs in between,they wound up playing at Koepners Tavern in Hudson every weekend for a few years.They got to jam with such great people as Tedd Browne,Oscar Brand,the Dillingers,the Knoblick Upper 10,000,Judy Henske,Gustie Hervey,Sean Moore,Daniel & Dimitri,Bob Gibson,Jim Glover,the list is almost endless.I was glad to find this thread.Keep it a goin' on!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 01:18 PM

The Kossoy Sisters- Irene and Ellen, whose absolutely magical version of I'll Fly Away can be heard in the film O Brother, Where Art Thou?.
However on the soundtrack CD it is performed by Alison Krauss and Gillian Welch . Permission from the recording company (I think) was withheld thus the re-recording of the song. The sisters recorded their first album, Bowling Green, in 1956 with Erik Darling.

The Kossoy Sisters

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 02:41 PM

Someone just reminded me of the very underated Karen Dalton,who was associated with Fred Neill and Bob Dylan, among others.
two brief videos of her in performance can be found on You Tube, plus an Illustrated Discography

Karen Dalton on You Tube

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: eddie1
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 02:50 PM

Hi Erik
The song you're looking for is called "Standing In The Rain" and it's by Sydney Carter. Certainly recorded by The McCalmans amongst others.

Standing In The Rain
(Sydney Carter)
Chorus:
Standing in the rain, knocking on the window
Knocking on the window on a Christmas Day
There he is again, knocking on the window
Knocking on the window in the same old way

No use knocking on the window
There is nothing we can do, sir
All the beds are booked already
There is nothing left for you, sir

No use knocking on the window
Some are lucky, some are not, sir
We are Christian men and women
But we're keeping what we've got, sir

No we haven't got a manger
No we haven't got a stable
We are Christian men and women
Always willing, never able

Christ the Lord has gone to heaven
One day he'll be coming back, sir
In this house he will be welcome
But we hope he won't be black, sir

Wishing you a merry Christmas
We will now go back to bed, sir
Till you woke us with your knocking
We were sleeping like the dead, sir



Eddie

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 23 Jan 08 - 02:34 PM

Thanx, Eddie!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Little Known Folk Artist: Don Crawford
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 04:36 AM

In the early 60's I was going to UBC and was into the folk-music scene somewhat. I frequented a place called "The Ark" In Vancouver, among other coffee houses. There was no booze and the college crowd was enthralled by singers of all races and places. My favourite singer was Don Crawford who had a raspy voice and played one incredible 12 string guitar. Vancouver fan's loved him but he never caught on as the hit artist I knew he could have been. I remember that he sang "Dont think twice its all right" better than anyone I have heard including Bob Dylan and Peter Paul and Mary. He had a cute rendition of a song I have heard that had the line, "There's is in a little house/ There's is in a pear tree, full of pearses...they don't have no worries or carses". I had an LP of his but it was full of songs I never heard him sing live and was disappointed in it. No hits for him on Napster. He is mentioned on this website, as a singer at the Jabberwock http://www.chickenonaunicycle.com/Jabberwock%20History.htm
My email is [e-mail], if you want to correspond. I would love to find out what happened to him. I know he tried acting but apparently was a colour neither very black or white, and the story was that Hollywood had difficulty placing such folks back then.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jay
Date: 03 Feb 08 - 01:17 PM

In the late 60s, a solo female artist by the unforgettable name of Melody Tickell used to perform around Berks. & Hants. My diary notes indicate that she was very good. Anyone know what became of her?

Another one who played at the Troubador in London and in St. Ives was Roger Brookes- ring any bells?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 05 Feb 08 - 10:29 PM

My kind of folk song...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd7MVwET0QY&feature=related

bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,folkmusicgirl
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 12:30 PM

To Dave Hard:

I would love to hear you & Adele singing on this old tape you have.
Any chance you could make me a copy and I would pay you for this of course.

Lin

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 03:33 PM

old Shat Maddrawers the incredible man boobed crooner,sang through an old trouts arse while flicking a dog with a spoon. Once wrote a song about a sausage,but never sang it live because of his persistant flatulence.He was born on 25 of feb,1934,and died on his 62 birthday when he broke wind at a bonfire party.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 07:57 PM

Jesse Winchester on "The Wire"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_lLx-QnqO4
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 11:08 PM

Great find Bob. Do you know Jessie by any chance?
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 11:05 AM

Beer: Yes. I know Jesse...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 12:52 PM

I knew Iberus from the days of Cincinnati folk music back in the 70's. When he died, we lost a real character from that scene.

I did not, however, know him from the old days in Chicago.

AL Curry

Subject: The Place Stanley Street Montreal 1961
From: GUEST,monsieurvic at cooptel dot qc dot ca
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 12:09 PM

Hello,

I'm currently doing research on a 1961 Coffee House in Montreal called the Place. It was located on Stanley Street. It was ran by poets Bryan McCarthy, Milton Acorn and Joe Sage. Any information small or little related to this would be great.

Thanks!

Victor

monsieurvic at cooptel dot qc dot ca

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 03:29 PM

Victor: get in touch with the folks at Vehicule Press in Montreal. They could aim you at poets who might be of help in your quest.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 03:49 AM

A year ago I posted a list of 585 names which had so far been mentioned in this thread. Repeating the effort, I've now extracted the following list of 1,319 names. Probably quite a few of them don't really belong in the list, but I think I've caught most of the ones that do.

—BK

   1   Lee Aaron
   2   Tossi Aaron
   3   Benjie Aaronoff
   4   Joe Aaronson
   5   Roger Abrahams
   6   Ronney Abramson
   7   Mike Absalom
   8   Milton Acorn
   9   Derroll Adams
10   Jon Adams
11   Mike Agranoff
12   Fran Aiken
13   Andy Aldrich
14   Ted Alevizos
15   Mitch Aliotta
16   Clark Allen
17   Peter Alsop
18   Ross Altman
19   Rob Ambrosino
20   Eric Andersen (Anderson?)
21   Casey Anderson
22   Chris Anderson
23   Lynn Anderson
24   Pink Anderson
25   Sam Andrew
26   Harvey Andrews
27   Alan Arkin
28   Joey Armando
29   George & Gerry Armstrong
30   Jennifer Armstrong
31   Lucie Arnaz
32   Paul Arnoldi
33   Irving Ashby
34   John Ashford
35   Sally Ashford
36   Mary Asquith
37   Adele Assante
38   Bob Atcher
39   Mike Atwood
40   Bishop Auckland
41   George Austin
42   Gene Autry
43   Hoyt Axton
44   Joan Baez
45   Bob Bain
46   Bruce Baker
47   Chuck Baker
48   Fiddlin' Slim Baker
49   Long John Baldry
50   Paula Ballan
51   Butterfield Blues Band
52   Godliness Skiffle Band
53   Hunker Hill String Band
54   Jim Kweskin Jug Band
55   John Herald Band
56   Paul Butterfield Band
57   Shaky Deal Jug Band
58   Dave Barber
59   Bill Barclay
60   Horton Barker
61   Barbara Barrow
62   Robbie Basho
63   Monster Bass
64   John Bassett
65   Paul Bassett
66   Hadley Batchelder III
67   Charlie Baum
68   Jeff Baxter
69   Mel Bay
70   Tammy Baylis
71   Paul Beaver
72   Renee Beghosian
73   Dominic Behan
74   Harry Belefonte
75   Earl Benson
76   Peter Berg
77   Roy Berkeley
78   Marcia Berman
79   Chuck Berry
80   Leon Bibb
81   Theodore Bikel
82   Anne Billings
83   Roy Book Binder
84   Anne Byrd
85   Elvin Bishop
86   Brian Blain
87   Fanny Blair
88   Arthur Blake
89   Blind Blake
90   Bill Blatty
91   Richard Blaustein
92   Laurel Bliss
93   Ralph Blizzard
94   Allan Block
95   Ken Bloom
96   Mike Bloomfield
97   David Blue
98   Gene Bluestein
99   Geoff Bodenham
100   Eric Bogle
101   Ray Boguslav
102   Buddy Bohn
103   Gordon Bok
104   Danya Bokenboim
105   Jay Bolotin
106   Petroleum Bonaparte
107   Bill Bonyun
108   James Booker
109   Brown(?) Boots
110   Dusty Road Boys
111   Greenbriar Boys
112   Tall Timber Boys
113   York County Boys
114   Grant Brader
115   Hank Bradley
116   Paul Brady
117   Oscar Brand
118   John Brent
119   Jim Brentano
120   Ron Brentano
121   True Brethren
122   Jim Brewer
123   Marshall Brickman
124   Key Bridge
125   Anne Briggs
126   Judy Bright
127   George Britton
128   Jaime Brockett
129   David Bromberg
130   Roger Brookes
131   Saul Broudie (Broudy?)
132   Barry Brown
133   Bill Brown
134   Dennis Brown
135   Fleming Brown
136   Jimmy Brown
137   Lucy Brown
138   Oscar Brown
139   Toni Brown
140   Jackson Browne
141   Oscar Browne
142   Tedd Browne
143   Ian Buchanan
144   Lord Buckley
145   Tim Buckley
146   Buckwheat
147   Bud & Travis (Edmonson)
148   Dennis Budimir
149   Valucha Buffington
150   June Bugg
151   Sandy Bull
152   Bill Bunyon
153   Don Burnham
154   Raun Burnham
155   Martha Burns
156   Howie Bursen
157   Allan Burton
158   James Burton
159   Doug Bush
160   Phil Buss
161   Anne Byrd
162   Rolf Cahn
163   Terry Callier
164   Fred Carlson
165   Dick Cameron
166   Lindsay Cameron
167   Bob (Hamilton) Camp
168   Alex Campbell
169   Glen Campbell
170   Bob Canning
171   Sean Cannon
172   Guy & Candie Carawan
173   John Carbo
174   Peter Carbone
175   Bob Carey
176   "Ti Jean" Johnnie Carignan
177   Shlomo Carlbach
178   Larry Carlton
179   Kathy & Carol
180   Sydney Carter
181   Martin Carthy
182   Al Casey
183   Mike Castle
184   Pat Chamberlain
185   Slim Chance
186   Len Chandler
187   Mike Chapman
188   Clifton Chenier
189   Dominic Chianese
190   Charley Chiarenza
191   Marilyn Child
192   Charlie Chin
193   Nicky Chinn
194   Bill Chipman
195   Chris Rawlings
196   Tai Chi Chuan
197   Bob Clark
198   William Clausen
199   John Clay
200   Paul Clayton
201   Ray Clayton
202   Ginnie Clemmons
203   Bill Clifton
204   Del Close
205   Stormy Clovers
206   Lost Coast
207   Adam Cochran
208   Bruce Cockburn
209   Ron Coden
210   David Coffin
211   Andy Cohen
212   Bobby Cohen
213   David Cohen (David Blue)
214   David Bennett Cohen
215   Herb Cohen
216   John Cohen
217   Leonard Cohen
218   Jerry Cole
219   Bud Coleman
220   Sharon Colen
221   Jimmy Collier
222   Earl Collins
223   John Collins
224   Judy Collins
225   Peter Collins
226   Bob Coltman
227   Jonathan Comins
228   Sallie Comins
229   John Compton
230   Peggy Compton
231   Rory Condon
232   Brian Cookman
233   Pat Cooksey
234   Michael Cooney
235   Al Cooper
236   Mike Cooper
237   Phil Cooper
238   Alex Corner
239   Elizabeth Cotton
240   James Cotton
241   Xavier Coudril
242   Pam Coulihan
243   Danny Counts
244   Ray Court
245   Les Cousins
246   Chris Couveau
247   Andrew Cowan
248   Deb Cowan
249   John Cowles
250   Danny Cox
251   Joanne Crabtree
252   Joe Craven
253   Don Crawford
254   Rae Creevy
255   Slim Critchlow
256   Al Cromwell
257   Addiss & Crowfut
258   Steve Culver
259   Sis Cunningham
260   AL Curry
261   Lou Curtiss
262   Marty Cutler
263   Jeff Dale
264   Karen Dalton
265   Shoshanna Damari
266   Allan Dameron
267   Alan Damron
268   Allen Damron
269   Barbara Dane
270   Charlotte Daniels
271   Erik Darling
272   Bud Dashiell
273   Brent Davey
274   One Eyed Davey
275   Diane Davidson
276   Gary Davis
277   Jeff Davis
278   Patti (Reagan) Davis
279   Stu Davis
280   Tim Dawe
281   Jim Dawson
282   Al Day
283   Jackie DeShannon
284   Tom Deacon
285   James Deans
286   Peter Debin
287   Rich Dehr
288   Sandy Denney
289   Bill Destler
290   Justin Devereaux
291   Jerry Devine
292   Hazel Dickens
293   Willie Dixon
294   Alex Dobkin
295   Bonnie Dobson
296   Craig Doerge
297   Terry Dolan
298   The Dolphins
299   Ted Donlan
300   Uncle Donnie
301   Mark Dorinson
302   Ray Dorset
303   K.C. Douglas
304   Paul Downes
305   Livia Drapkin
306   Lingo The Drifter
307   Crane Driver
308   John Drury
309   Danny Duncan
310   John Dunkerley
311   Liane Dunn
312   Monte Dunn
313   Willie Dunn
314   Josh Dunson
315   Elegant Ivory Duo
316   Mark Dvorak
317   John Dwyer
318   Richard Dyer-Bennett
319   Liz Dyer
320   Snooks Eaglin
321   John Eberhart
322   Joe & Eddie
323   Travis Edmonson
324   Duke Edwards
325   Larry Ehrlich
326   Gary Eisenkraft
327   Peter Elbling
328   Joe Elias
329   Rambling Jack Eliot
330   Eddie Ellison

331   Dave Elson
332   Tommy Emmanuel
333   Logan English
334   Joe Elias Ladino Ensemble
335   Rick Epping
336   Jerry Epstein
337   Sam Eskin
338   Phil Marcus Esser
339   Bill Evans
340   Pete Everwine
341   John Fahey
342   Billy Faier
343   Mike Fairbanks
344   Waqidi Falicoff
345   Orla Fallon
346   Beers Family
347   Carter Family
348   Mimi Farina
349   Richard Farina
350   Danny Farmer
351   Bruce Farwell
352   Bob Fass
353   John Henry Faulk
354   Luke Faust
355   Pete Feldmann
356   Julie Felix
357   Freddy Fender
358   Arcangel Fernandez
359   Old Sharky Fester
360   Janis Fink
361   Don Firth
362   John Fitzgerald
363   Blind Erik Flatpick
364   Bela Fleck
365   Joel Fleisher
366   Judy Flenniken
367   Harmonica Frank Floyd
368   John Foley
369   Arran Folk
370   Fast Folk
371   Ellen Ford
372   Glen Ford
373   Felt Forum
374   Pat Foster
375   Redd Foxx
376   Fastblind Erik Frandsen
377   Dirty Frank
378   Harmonica Frank
379   Jackson C. Frank
380   Ray Frank
381   Dave Frederickson
382   Marshal Freedland
383   Four Frenchman
384   Rick Friedman
385   Ruthann Friedman
386   Big Wally Friedricks
387   Alan Friend
388   Gordon Friesen
389   Jesse "Lone Cat" Fuller
390   Furey Brothers
391   Sean Gagnier
392   Bob Gahtan
393   Eddie Gair
394   Jerry Galuten
395   Vin Garbetts
396   Vin Garbutt
397   Peter & Isabelle Gardiner
398   Michael Garin
399   Amos Garrett
400   Pat Garvey
401   Dick Gaughan
402   Ellen Geer
403   Will Geer
404   Country Gentlemen
405   Kitty Geovese
406   George Gerdes
407   Paul Geremia
408   Fred Gerlach
409   Alice Gerrard
410   Thom Ghent
411   Bobby Gibbons
412   Denis Gibbons
413   Bob Gibson
414   Jackie Gibson
415   Lisa Gilkyson
416   Terry Gilkyson
417   Guela Gill
418   Gene Gilleskie
419   Lee Gilliand
420   Paul Gillingham
421   Allan Ginsberg
422   Kenny Girard
423   Dean Gitter
424   Dottie Gittleson
425   Tom Glaser
426   Rounded Dick Glass
427   Jim Glover
428   Lynn Gold
429   Barry Goldberg
430   Stu Goldberg
431   John Goldfarb
432   Kenny Goldstein
433   Billy Goode
434   Cynthia Gooding
435   Steve Goodman
436   James Gordon
437   Peggy Gordon
438   Ruthie Gordon
439   Louis Gossett
440   Dave Goulder
441   Martin Graebe
442   Klaus Van Graft
443   Davy Graham
444   Red Grammer
445   Baby Gramps
446   Dan Gravas
447   Arvella Gray
448   John Gray
449   Marion Gray
450   Sarah Gray
451   Donny Green
452   Mark Green
453   Peter Green
454   Dave Greenberg
455   Peter Greenberg
456   Danny Greenspoon
457   Robin Greenstein
458   John Greenway
459   Sara Grey
460   Al Grierson
461   Andy Griffith
462   Mi Gronny
463   Robert Grossman
464   Mac Grundy
465   Dave Guard
466   Roy Guest
467   Dave Guth
468   Arlo Guthrie
469   Woody Guthrie
470   Venture Gwen
471   Iberus Hacker
472   Vernon Haddock
473   Derek Hall
474   John Hall
475   Rene Hall
476   Samuel Hall
477   Sue Hall
478   Tom Hall
479   Frank Hamilton
480   John Hammond
481   Lorraine Hammond
482   Colonel Bruce Hampton
483   Clabe Hangan
484   Larry Hanks
485   Barry Hansen
486   Tim Hardin
487   Leonda Hardison
488   Rosie Hardman
489   Jack Hardy
490   Lee Haring
491   Roy Harper
492   Emmylou Harris
493   Joey Harris
494   Jacquie Harrison
495   Jack Harshaw
496   Ritchie Havens
497   Bess Hawes
498   Butch Hawes
499   Ginny Hawker
500   John Hayday
501   Skip Haynes
502   Joe Heany
503   Gordon Heath
504   Max Heilbronner
505   Freddie Hellerman
506   Jim Helms
507   Wade Hemsworth
508   Denny Henderson
509   Davey Hendricks
510   John Hendricks
511   Stewart Hendrickson
512   Al Hendrikson
513   Jimi Hendrix
514   Kevin Henry
515   Judy Henske
516   Johnny Herald & the Greenbriar Boys
517   Gustie Hervey
518   Claire Hess
519   Carolyn Hester
520   The Highwaymen
521   Bill Higley
522   Greg Hildebrand
523   Vankleek Hill
524   Joanne Hindley
525   Jeff Hindman
526   Steve Hinds
527   Sam Hinton
528   Bob Hipkens
529   George Hirsch
530   Moe Hirsch
531   Bob Hoban
532   Mitch Holder
533   Lori Holland
534   Buddy Holly
535   Ed Holstein
536   Fred Holstein
537   Tim Holt
538   Will Holt
539   Alec Hood
540   John Lee Hooker
541   Ken Hoopes
542   Doc Hopkins
543   Johnny Horton
544   Miles Horton
545   Zylphia Horton
546   Son House
547   Cisco Houston
548   John Houston
549   Sonny Houston
550   Ray Wylie Hubbard
551   Baldemar Huerta
552   John Hughes
553   Lynn Hughes
554   Blair Hull
555   Mad Michael Hunt
556   Carol Hunter
557   Rob Hunter
558   Mike Hurst
559   Mississippi John Hurt
560   The Immigrants
561   Andy Irvine
562   John Isherwood
563   Chuck Israels
564   Burl Ives
565   Harry Jackson
566   Pete Jacobs
567   Herb Jaeger
568   Joe Jaffe
569   Jimmy James
570   Joyce James
571   Karen James
572   Skip James
573   Stan James
574   Bert Jansch
575   Micheal Janusz
576   Ella Jenkins
577   Paul Jeremia
578   John Jeremiah
579   Jim & Jesse
580   Flaco Jimenez
581   Country Joe
582   Big John
583   Bullwhip John
584   Big Johns
585   Robert Johnson
586   Ted Johnson
587   Dynamite Annie Johnston
588   Bob Jones
589   David Jones
590   Ruth Jones
591   Wild Bill Jones
592   Mike Jordan
593   The Journeymen
594   John Hammond Jr
595   Bride Judy
596   Uncle Junior
597   Jeff Kagel
598   Si Kahn
599   Danny Kalb
600   Johnny Kalb
601   John Kalish
602   Dodi Kallick
603   Kathy Kallick
604   Ed Kane
605   Paul Kaplan
606   Lucy Kaplansky
607   Bob Kaufman
608   Carol Kaye
609   Eric Kaz
610   Michael Kaz
611   Larry Keane
612   Chris Kearney
613   Mike Kellen
614   Dave Kelly
615   Joanne Kelly
616   Luke Kelly
617   Elliot Kenin
618   Betsy & Seamus Kennedy
619   Norman Kennedy
620   Elliot Kennin
621   Dave Kenningham
622   Dave Kennington
623   Barney Kessel
624   Ron Kickasola
625   Coventry Kids
626   Lou Killen
627   Milan Kimlicka
628   Lisa Kindred
629   Tom Kines
630   Bill King
631   Charlie King
632   Maggie King
633   Nancy King
634   John Kirkpatrick
635   Rev. Frederick D. Kirkpatrick
636   Indian Kirtan
637   Cecilia Kirtland
638   Eartha Kitt
639   Joe Klee
640   Janet Klimoski
641   Borden Klotweiller
642   Elizabeth Knight
643   Doc Knutson
644   Tex Koenig
645   Alexis Koerner
646   Spider John Koerner
647   Leop Koktee
648   Sylvia Kolb
649   Bonnie Koloc
650   Al Kooper
651   Alex Korner
652   Barry Kornfeld
653   Kossoy Sisters (identical twins, Irene and Ellen)
654   Leo Kotke
655   Earnie Kovaks
656   Bernie Krause
657   Adam Kreiswirth
658   Leonard Krohn
659   Karen Kruse
660   Al Kuda

661   Al Kuda/Casey/Cooper
662   Tuli Kupferberg
663   Jim Kweskin
664   Peter LaFarge
665   Seth Lakeman
666   Steve Lalor
667   Dick Landberg
668   Myrna Lande
669   Penny Lang
670   Scott Lang
671   Bruce Langehorn
672   John Langstaff
673   Peter Langston
674   Willem Lankhourst
675   Gary Lapow
676   Neil LeVang
677   Terrea Lea
678   Donal Leace
679   Andy Leader
680   Janet Leader
681   Arieh Lebowitz
682   Perry Lederman
683   Bill Lee
684   Katie Lee
685   Kui Lee
686   Lorraine Lee
687   Rick & Lorraine Lee
688   Spike Lee
689   Tom Lee
690   Mac Leech
691   Perte Van Leeuwen
692   Mike Leib
693   Julius Lester
694   Perry Letterman
695   Dean Levitt
696   Jeannie Lewis
697   Jerry Lee Lewis
698   Ernie Lieberman
699   Gordon Lightfoot
700   Bob Lind
701   Dave Lindley
702   Manse Lipscomb
703   Barry Lister
704   Marie Little
705   Bill & Livia
706   Chris Lloyd
707   Gerry Lockran
708   Paul Lolax
709   Alan Lomax
710   John Lomax
711   Johnny Long
712   Professor Longhair
713   Gilles Losier
714   Jubilee Lovelies
715   Ëd Lover
716   Lyle Lovett
717   Jez Lowe
718   Mundell Lowe
719   Rex Bob Lowenstein
720   Gilles Lozier
721   Felix Lupus
722   Bob Lusk
723   Roger Luzwick
724   Mel Lyman
725   Pat Lynch
726   Ken Lyon
727   Bill Lyons
728   Haywire Mac
729   Kirk MacGeachy
730   Paul MacNeil
731   Raun MacKinnan
732   Margaret MacArthur
733   The MacCalmans
734   Ewan MacColl
735   Jimmy MacDonald
736   Spanky MacFarlane
737   Scott MacKenzie
738   Ewan MacVicar
739   Bill Madison
740   Taj Mahal
741   Molly Malarkey
742   Bob Malenky
743   Molly Malone
744   Steve Mandel
745   Steve Mann
746   Eejim Manning
747   Linda Manzer
748   Jo Mapes
749   Joseph Marais
750   Yvonne Marais
751   Bob March
752   Diana Marcovitz
753   Phil Marsh
754   Peter Marston
755   Bob Martin
756   Marty Martin
757   Sue Martin (or Robbins)
758   Vince Martin
759   Guest Mary
760   Ashton Mashers
761   Bert Mason
762   Bob Mason
763   Chuck Massey
764   Ric Masten
765   Tom Mayes
766   Judy Mayhan
767   Pete Maynard
768   Bob McCarthy
769   Jim McCarthy
770   Mary McCaslin
771   Ed McCurdy
772   John McCutcheon
773   Carolyn McDade,
774   Kate & Anna McGarrigle
775   Matt McGinn
776   Jim McGrath
777   "Round Mound of Renown" Pat McGuinn
778   Roger (Jimmy) McGuinn
779   Fran McKendree
780   Joe & Antoinette McKenna
781   Raun McKinnan
782   Will McLain
783   Murray McLaughlin
784   James McMurtry
785   Paul McNeil
786   Paul McNeill
787   Joe Meek
788   John Meeks
789   Tom Meisenheimer
790   Mike Melford
791   Lee Menconi
792   Jerry Merrick
793   Jaime Michaels
794   Kent Michaels
795   Nancy Michaels
796   Jerry Middaugh
797   Micheal Miles
798   Reggie Miles
799   Adam Miller
800   Frank Miller
801   Mickey Miller
802   Mike Miller
803   Alan Mills
804   Paul Mills
805   Don Minke
806   New Christy Minstrels
807   Marais & Miranda
808   Chad Mitchell
809   Chuck Mitchell
810   Howie Mitchell
811   Joni Mitchell
812   Chuck Mitman
813   Sue Molen
814   Maggie Molosso
815   Chris Montez
816   Little Brother Montgomery
817   Giovanni Batista Montini
818   Carlos Montoya
819   Brian Mooney
820   Christy Moore
821   Lesley Moore
822   Sean Moore
823   Sonny Moore
824   Lou Morell
825   Bruce Morganheim
826   Donald Mork
827   Peter Mork
828   Seraffyn Mörk
829   Artus Moser
830   Bill Moss
831   Mickie Most
832   Cat Mother
833   Eddie Motteau
834   Johnny Moynihan
835   Martin Mull
836   Barney Munger
837   Bruce Murdoch
838   Jerry Murray
839   Charlie Musselwhite
840   The Sorry Muthas
841   Ron & Nama
842   Fred Neil
843   Bob Nelson
844   Margaret Nelson
845   Mike Nelson
846   Pat Nelson
847   Tracy Nelson
848   Bob Newhart
849   Catmother And The Allnight Newsboys
850   Penny Nichols
851   Lea Nicholson
852   Simon Nicol
853   Jack Nissenson
854   Rab Noakes
855   Charley Noble
856   Don Normark
857   Suzie Norris
858   Laura Nyro
859   Mary O'Hara
860   Phil Ochs
861   Pierre Odier
862   Milt Okun
863   Jane Olian
864   Sweet Billy Olsen
865   Jeff Olswang
866   Ari Onasis
867   Josh Onderisin
868   Mike Orlen
869   Susan Osborne
870   Randy Otoole
871   Marty Owens
872   Jackie Pack
873   Jim Page
874   Gabby Pahinui
875   Lee Siu Pak
876   Tom Paley
877   Red Parham
878   Fess Parker
879   Roy Parker
880   Dean Parks
881   Nick Parry-Jones
882   Nick Parry
883   Len Partridge
884   Sandy Paton
885   Young Paulie
886   Tom Paxton
887   Lee Payant
888   Drew Payton
889   Don Peake
890   Ken Pearlman
891   Gregory Peck
892   Norm Pederson
893   "Crazy" George Pegram
894   Ken Penney
895   Cherry People
896   Jesus Perez
897   Brock Peters
898   Faith Petric
899   The PH Phactor
900   Bruce Utah Phillips
901   Nick Pickett
902   Robert Pierpont
903   John Pilla
904   Sandy Pinckney
905   Turkey Pluckers
906   Art Podell
907   Ray Pohlman
908   Dave "Buck" Polley
909   Stone Ponies
910   Mike Porco
911   Jolly Porter
912   Shelly Posen
913   Jim Post
914   Paul Potash
915   Phil Poth
916   Greg Prestipino
917   Paul Prestipino
918   Joanie Preston
919   Bill Priest
920   Dave Prine
921   John Prine
922   Nancy Quensé
923   Frank Quinn
924   Pete Quinn
925   Dave "Maverick Child" Rae
926   Ethel Raim
927   Chick Raines
928   Roughstone Ramblers
929   Obray Ramsey
930   Stu "Darsono" Ramsey
931   Willis Alan Ramsey
932   Jerry Rasmussen
933   Jerry Rau
934   Chris Rawlings
935   Dave "Missing Keys" Ray
936   Dave "Snaker" Ray
937   Arkansas Red
938   Paul Reed
939   Susan Reed
940   Mike Reedy
941   Mike Regenstreif
942   Jon Rennard
943   Don Reno
944   The Reprobates
945   Malvina Reynolds
946   Nick Reynolds
947   Randy Rice
948   Philadelphia Jerry Ricks
949   Almeda Riddle
950   Easy Riders
951   Jim Ringer
952   Ralph Rinzler
953   Paul Rishell
954   Edna Ritchie
955   Fiona Ritchie
956   Jean Ritchie
957   Lee Ritenour
958   Pearl River
959   Tony Rizzi
960   Margret Roadknight
961   Gil Robbins
962   Tim Robbins
963   Billy Roberts
964   Bobby Roberts
965   Brian Roberts
966   Chick Roberts
967   Howard Roberts
968   Pete Roberts
969   Robin Roberts
970   Carol Robertson
971   Texas Jim Robertson
972   Walt Robertson
973   Carol Robinson
974   Earl Robinson
975   Frank Robinson
976   Jim Roche
977   Rocky Rockwood
978   Judy Roderick
979   Jimmy Rodgers
980   Juan Rodriguez
981   Grant Rogers
982   Kenny Rogers
983   Sally Rogers
984   Ania Romaine
985   Hugh Romney
986   Dave Van Ronk
987   Jim Rooney
988   Biff Rose
989   Penny Rose
990   Tim Rose

991   Wayne Rose
992   Art Rosenbaum
993   Jay Rosenberg
994   Stuart Rosenberg
995   Nancy Rosenthal
996   Dick Rosmini
997   Bill Ross
998   Mark Ross
999   David Lee Roth
1000   Manny Roth
1001   Paul Rothchild
1002   Alan Rotman
1003   Holy Modal Rounders
1004   David Rovics
1005   Peter Rowan
1006   Van Rozay
1007   Manny Rubin
1008   Ruth Rubin
1009   Rhonda Rucker
1010   Rob Rucker
1011   Rambling Sid Rumpo
1012   Blues Run
1013   Tom Rush
1014   Susan Ruskin
1015   Mike Russo
1016   Lee Ruth
1017   Bob Ruzicka
1018   Bob Ryszkiewicz
1019   Randy Sabien
1020   Joe Sage
1021   Buffy Saint-Marie
1022   Tony & Irene Saletan
1023   Beverlie Salmon
1024   Betty Sanders
1025   Richard Sasno
1026   Micheal Saul
1027   Maggie Savage
1028   Sonja Savig
1029   Norman Schell
1030   Martha Schlamme
1031   Eric von Schmidt
1032   Rick von Schmidt
1033   Helen Schneyer
1034   Eric Schoenberg
1035   Mary Schuler
1036   Tony Schwartz
1037   Colin Scott
1038   Molly Scott
1039   Dave Sears
1040   John Sebastian
1041   Charles Seeger
1042   Mike Seeger
1043   Nicky Seeger
1044   Peggy Seeger
1045   Pete Seeger
1046   Mike Spoons Seeley
1047   Paul Seibel
1048   Brother John Sellers
1049   Mike Settle
1050   The Shades
1051   Paul Shakespeare
1052   Pete Shakespeare
1053   The Dirty Shames
1054   The Low Down Dirty Shames
1055   The Shames
1056   Bob Shane
1057   Anna Shannon
1058   Sea Shanties
1059   Anita Shear
1060   Louie Shelton
1061   Richmond Sheppard
1062   Helen Shneyer
1063   Paul Siebel
1064   Effie Siegerman
1065   Carl Sievert
1066   Marc Silber
1067   Carly Simon
1068   Paul Simon
1069   Fiona Simpson
1070   Almanac Singers
1071   Bitter End Singers
1072   Robert DeCormier Singers
1073   Pozo-Seco Singers
1074   Seco Singers
1075   Gateway Singers
1076   Goldcoast Singers
1077   Whiskey Hill Singers
1078   John Singleton
1079   Simon Sisters
1080   The Kossoy Sisters
1081   Barry Skinner
1082   Pat Sky
1083   Patrick Sky
1084   White Sky
1085   Copperfield Skye
1086   Mike Slawson
1087   Grace Slick
1088   Memphis Slim
1089   Jay Small
1090   Cedric Smith
1091   Janet Smith
1092   Joanne Hindley Smith
1093   Michael Smith
1094   Oriel Smith
1095   Osborne Smith
1096   Pete Smith
1097   Tony Smith
1098   Vic Smith
1099   Chris Smither
1100   Chris Smithers
1101   Smothers Brothers
1102   Kit Snow
1103   Paul Snow
1104   Elmer Snowden
1105   Leni Ashmore Sorensen
1106   Larry Sparks
1107   Randy Sparks
1108   Dave Spence
1109   Joseph Spence
1110   Mark Spoelstra
1111   Danny Spooner
1112   Roger Sprung
1113   Orange Squeezers
1114   Californians Ted Staak
1115   Bill Staines
1116   Pete Stampfel
1117   Peter Stampfel
1118   Jack Stanesco
1119   Dayle Stanley
1120   Doc Stanley
1121   Fred Starner
1122   Flying Stars
1123   Pemmican Stash
1124   Andy Statman
1125   John Stauber
1126   Jody Stecher
1127   Bill Steele
1128   Phil Steele
1129   Pete Stein
1130   Alice Stewart
1131   Andy Stewart
1132   Doug Stewart
1133   John Stewart
1134   Judy Stine
1135   Howard Stith
1136   Poor Howard Stith
1137   Pete Stone
1138   Rachel Stone
1139   The Stones
1140   Mel Storch
1141   Dwain Story
1142   Win Strake
1143   Billy Strange
1144   Michael Strange
1145   Wafaring Strangers
1146   Alice Stuart
1147   Steve Suffet
1148   Jennifer Sullivan
1149   Marc Sullivan
1150   Terry Sullivan
1151   Keith Sykes
1152   Hugh Syme
1153   Steve "Richmond" Talbot
1154   T.A. Talbott
1155   Gene Tambour
1156   Chaim Tannenbaum
1157   Bob Tanner
1158   Brad Tate
1159   Ray Tate
1160   Cyril Tawney
1161   James Taylor
1162   Jeremy Taylor
1163   Livingston Taylor
1164   Tommy Tedesco
1165   Sonny Terry
1166   Toots Thielemans
1167   Art Thieme
1168   Dave Thomas
1169   Ian Thomas
1170   Eric Thompson
1171   Richard Thompson
1172   Knob Lick Upper Ten Thousand
1173   The Shawnee Three
1174   Old Timey Wool Thumpers
1175   Melody Tickell
1176   Good Times
1177   John Timmons
1178   Blind Bill Todd
1179   Joan Toliver
1180   Jon Toly
1181   Two Tones
1182   Fred Torak
1183   Peter Tork
1184   John Townley
1185   Young Tradition
1186   Art Traum
1187   Artie Traum
1188   Happy Traum
1189   Mary Travers
1190   Ed Trickett
1191   Stanley Triggs
1192   Chad Mitchel Trio
1193   Moondanse Trio
1194   Kingston Trio
1195   New Bad Trio
1196   Jimmy Triplett
1197   Stanley Tripp
1198   Tony Trischka
1199   The Jug Trust
1200   Harry Tufts
1201   Gil Turner
1202   Rick Turner
1203   Wayne Tuttle
1204   Ian Tyson
1205   Ken Ulancy
1206   Ivan Ulz
1207   Jay Unger
1208   Steve Unger
1209   "Sonny" Vale
1210   Bill Vanaver
1211   Larry Vanover
1212   Al Vescovo
1213   Max Villadorata
1214   Bob Vincent
1215   Andy Vine
1216   Al Viola
1217   Albion Do Wa
1218   Woody Wachtel
1219   Stephen Wade
1220   Brian Wadey
1221   Terry Wadsworth
1222   Margaret Wagner
1223   Loudoun Wainwright
1224   Tom Waits
1225   Lance Wakely
1226   Peter Walker
1227   Andy Wallice
1228   Jerry Walter
1229   Johnny Ward
1230   Wilbur Ware
1231   Jeff Warner
1232   Jackie Washington
1233   Doc Watson
1234   Fox Watson
1235   Old Tom The Weaver
1236   Chick Webb
1237   Laura Weber
1238   Steve Weber
1239   Deena Webster
1240   Eric Weisberg
1241   Grant Weisbrot
1242   Dick Weisman
1243   John Weiss
1244   Eric Weissberg
1245   Dick Weissman
1246   Fred Weisz
1247   Gillian Welch
1248   Jenny Vincent Wells
1249   Harry & Jeannie West
1250   Hedy West
1251   Jeannie West
1252   Laura Wetzler
1253   Terry Whalen
1254   Driving Wheel
1255   Terry Whelan
1256   David Whiffen
1257   Penny Whistle
1258   Bob White
1259   Gary White
1260   Josh White
1261   Wade White
1262   Rick Whitelaw
1263   George Wien
1264   Dave Wiffen
1265   David Wiffen
1266   Major Wiley
1267   Jim Wilhelm
1268   Big Joe Williams
1269   Don Williams
1270   Lucinda Williams
1271   Pozo-Seco Singers with Don Williams
1272   Sir George Williams
1273   Vivian Williams
1274   David Williamson
1275   Colin Wilson
1276   Meridith Wilson
1277   Stan Wilson
1278   Tyler Wilson
1279   Jesse Winchester
1280   Four Winds
1281   High Winds
1282   The Four Winds
1283   John Winn
1284   Martin Winsor
1285   Winnie Winston
1286   Cal Winzey
1287   Elise Witt
1288   Larry Wolf
1289   Hally Stepherson Wood
1290   Heather Wood
1291   Crown Woods
1292   Pine Woods
1293   Stuart Wooley
1294   Brenda Wooton
1295   Nimrod Workman
1296   Arthur Wright
1297   Charles Wright
1298   Hal Wylie
1299   Zally Yanovsky
1300   Glen Yarborough
1301   Bob Yellin
1302   Gene Yellin
1303   Jerry Yester
1304   The Yetties
1305   Malka & Yoso
1306   Izzy Young
1307   Jesse Colin Young
1308   Murray Young
1309   Steve Young
1310   Oranim (Guela Gill) Zabar
1311   Bob Zaidman
1312   Townes Van Zandt
1313   Henry Zapotnik
1314   Frank Zappa
1315   Dave Zeitlin
1316   Patty Zeitlin
1317   Alexandre Zelkine
1318   Bob Zentz
1319   Judith Zweiman

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 12:00 PM

Thanks to BK Lick for all the work. A great reference tool...bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 03:50 PM

I guess it might help us notice some omissions -- my God, no mention of Tom Dundee?
If you don't know about Tom you owe it to yourself to spend some time looking (and listening) at the Tom Dundee Memorial myspace.

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 04:02 PM

Rats! I messed up the blue clicky: Tom Dundee Memorial myspace

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 03:10 PM

Malcolm Rockwell--played 5-string banjo Scruggs style left handed with a right handed banjo, the 5th string peg sticking out of the bottom of the neck. Bay Area guy. Did anybody mention Gamble Rogers, fingerpicker and storyteller based in Florida? Or his sometime squeeze, Liz Corrigan, who replaced Judy Henske in Dave Guard's Whiskeyhill Singers, and later worked extensively in NYC as a jungle singer? It was Liz who sang "Smile, You're on Candid Camera" for Alan Funt on the program of the same name.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 04:55 PM

Does Liz Corrigan also go by Liz Trevor Corrigan? There was a play about Woody Guthrie (and his music) done in Michigan around 1990 that featured Liz Trevor Corrigan, who was fabulous. We --I and my newspaper--even gave her a theater award. Tom Glazer's son wrote the show.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 06:56 PM

The Liz Corrigan I knew was a thin blonde, about 5'7", who was Liz Seneff (spelling?) when she sang with Dave Guard. And she was a jingle singer, not a jungle singer, as I mistyped earlier. I think she died before that Guthrie show, but if not, it may have been one of her last gigs. She would have been about 75 years old by now. I think she was an Actors' Equity member, so Liz Trevor Corrigan may have had to add the middle name in accordance with union rules. That is, if they were not the same person, after all.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 10:21 PM

Different Liz Corrigan, then. The one I saw was younger.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Cluin
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 10:25 PM

Charles Manson

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:56 AM

A blast for the past!

New York Pinewoods Folk Music Club
Folk Music Society of New York, Inc.

presents...

Folkways Recording Artist

Lori Holland

in an intimate house concert

Friday • April 4, 2008 • 8:00 PM
New York City • Upper West Side Location
Near Broadway & West 98th Street

Seating strictly limited. Reeservations required.
For reservations, location, and other information,
please call John Ziv at 212-662-6575.

Admission:
$12 for club members. $15 for non-members.
$6 for children and full-time students.
$10 for seniors age 65 and over.

Be there!

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Claymore
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 07:23 PM

Good list but I don't see Bryan Bowers of autoharp fame. He still gets out from Oregon, and will be playing here in Shepherdstown, WV in May and teaching a class at Common Ground at Westminster MD, in July.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 11:34 PM

Actually, Brian lives in Sedro Woolley, Washington.   Erik, I used to play with Malcolm in Berserkley 36 years ago. Where is he now?

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 04:21 PM

I last Malcolm the Rock in Washington Square Park in...must've been 1978 at the latest. He'll probably turn up now that his name has been mentioned. He used to things like that, no?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,GUEST, David Jones
Date: 24 Feb 08 - 04:57 PM

Re. mention of Liz Corrigan by Eric Frandsen. I remember doing a promo. performance in the 1970s, of a musical version of a Bertolt Brecht play called "A Man's a Man". The venue was The Keyhole Club in New York City, and the idea was to attract investors. Liz Corrigan sang the part of "The Widow Begbick" and had some splendid songs with musical settings by the late Arnold Black, who was arranger for Judy Collins for awhile. Liz was a fine singer. Also in the cast were the late Royston Wood and Charles O'Hegarty, who were both terrific. All of our payment checks bounced but we had a great time and I did see Liz some years later in cabaret at "The Ballroom" in NYC.
I know Eric went into acting and was part of the Ibsen series at the Century Center in New York and got fine reviews for his part in, I think, "John Gabriel Borkman", I also took part in that series In "Rosmesholm" and the "Master Builder", and they went over very well.
Don't know where Liz is now, Charles O'Hegarty is in London.
David Jones

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,sinky
Date: 25 Feb 08 - 10:49 AM

Al Zheimer from billingham,very often didnt turn up for the gig,and when he did he used to forget his guitar,a complete useless bastard

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 25 Feb 08 - 11:05 AM

That man missed more gigs than anyone I never met. In fact, he missed so many, lots of us wondered if he really existed at all.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,shane
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 12:15 PM

looking for a song from late 60's,early 70's about a man's rope factory burning to ground ,only being able to save 400 ft. of rope [hemp],leaves home with rope and sets sail on titanic where he turns on the captain to pot.   song is very funny ,quite long, i thought it might be arlo, but can't find .please what is this song

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 12:27 PM

"Legend of the USS Titanic"

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 12:51 PM

Well, I can see I've neglected this thread because I didn't follow the more 'pop' groups much back then; but sure the list needs to mention
Joanie O'Bryant who made a couple of 10" LPs for Folkways in the late 50s. I met her at Wichita Univ. in about 1963.

"Joan O'Bryant was born in Wichita, Kansas in 1923. She attended Wichita University, where she graduated with of Masters of Arts in Creative Writing in 1949. After graduation she worked on plans for a folklore studies class. Soon after she was teaching folklore studies classes at the university, as well as in Pittsburg, Kansas and Gunnison, Colorado, during the summers. Joan O'Bryant was also an accomplished singer and guitar player and released two records of authentic folk music on Folkways Records in the late 1950s. O'Bryant was killed in an automobile accident near Ouray, Colorado in 1964."

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 12:48 PM

Guest, Shane--that link has the song you were askin' about.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,guest- mary
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 09:03 PM

i'm looking for a song sang by roy book binder- something about 3 times 7 and then he ends up at 3 x 21 is 63- it's all about his age and getting older. great song i grew up with but can't for the life of me remember the name of the song.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:46 PM

3X7 is a song by Merle Travis.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stefan Wirz
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 03:56 AM

3x7 (Merle Travis) is on Roy's 1977 album 'Ragtime Millionaire' on Blue Goose 2023 (when he still was Roy Bookbinder and not Book Binder). To my knowlege this album has never been released as CD, nor has he recorded that song elsewhere (see my RBB discography at http://www.wirz.de/music/bookbdsc.htm

Stefan

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stefan Wirz
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 04:00 AM

have to correct my post above: There's a CD reissue of that album on the Japanese Air Mail Recordíngs label !!!
Stefan

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Colin Randall
Date: 08 Mar 08 - 05:02 AM

That's a great annual list from B K Lick, which I saw only today on noticing this thread back near the top (perhaps it should be at the top permanently).

Three things:

* I love the appearance in the list of Bishop Auckland as an artist (hymns his speciality?) instead of the Co Durham town where someone from the list has played. Marie Little and Barry Skinner did for sure, and I could add more. They'd include not Noel Murphy, who sang & joked there but is too well known to qualify (though Ewan MacColl is somehow listed too) but Shaggis, a wonderful musician who used to tour with him but went on to play for Elton John; I am sure the web would fill in details but not while I'm typing!

* I have mentioned this in a much shorter threat, but it was while browsing here that I had the thought of making contact with and interviewing
Marie Little for Salut! Live    So thanks again - it was a delight to get back in touch with her, albeit electronically....

* And if the Mudcat subscriber who confirmed that Barry Skinner is alive and well has contact with him, I would love to interview him too, even though he was never as pretty as Marie. A private message at Mudcat or an e-mail to [e-mail] would do the trick

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:23 PM

i wrote about the roy book binder song the other day 3x7. thanks for all the help. one more question... does anyone know where i can kind the lyrics and the chords for that?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:37 PM

Guest,Mary: I cannot find lyrics anywhere. Sorry.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 08:23 PM

Penny Lang at The Green Room w/ Bill Garrett, Roma Baran, & Jason Lang...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykty22p1o6c
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 09:41 PM

Hey Bob,

The Penny Lang video is kinda weird in that the sound and the pictures are out of sync.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Lady Constance
Date: 31 Mar 08 - 10:26 PM

Barry Skinner - used to know him quite well. If anyone is in contact, I'm at [e-mail] - would be good to get in touch.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 12:11 PM

C.Ham: That happens on YouTube quite often. Hope you got past the technical difficulties and enjoyed the MUSIC...Not much I can do about it.
bob

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 05:55 PM

Any one know where I can get a copy of Vernon Haddock's album?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 05:04 PM

Just a point:    There was life before the Sixties.

Pre-dating the 60s by a fair chunk, one of the first folk singers I was aware of was Burl Ives, whom I think I first heard on the radio in the mid-1940s.. I recall a program about the history of the Erie Canal, on which Burl Ives told stories and sang songs about it. He started appearing in movies back then, "Smoky" (1946), "Green Grass of Wyoming" (1948), and "So Dear to My Heart" (also 1948) in which he played characters very much like himself. This was well before his really serious acting days in movies like "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" ("Big Daddy") and his slide into cutesy songs like "Little Bitty Tear," and "Little White Duck."

And even before this, around 1940 or '41 (when I was somewhere between rug-rat and puberty), I recall hearing folk songs on a radio program called "The American School of the Air," and learned later that it was Alan Lomax who was doing the program.

I also recall hearing Richard Dyer-Bennet in the late 1940s. A friend of mine had an album of his records (12" 78s). Several ballads, including "The Three Ravens."

On the feminine side and more-or-less contemporary with Burl Ives and Richard Dyer-Bennet was Susan Reed. I don't recall where I first heard her, but it was probably on the radio, so I knew who she was when she manifested herself in a 1948 movie called "Glamour Girl," about a young mountain girl who sang folk songs, discovered by a New York talent scout and brought to the Big City to sing in a night club. Not a great movie by any means, but lots of good singing by Susan Reed.

For some strange reason, the "folk boom," "folk revival," or "folk scare" (whatever you want to call it) seemed to just pass her by. Too bad! But then, maybe that was her choice. I've always been a bit curious about that.

I was rooting around through google and discovered this:   CLICKY #1.

Also, two records she made way back are now available on CDs.   CLICKY #2 and CLICKY #3.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 05:07 PM

My favorite record when I was a kid was "Burl Ives Sings for Congress"

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 05:35 PM

Don Firth ... You are VERY RIGHT! My very first "learnings" of and about folk music and folksingers were from very much alive people that I was exposed to in the 1940's. To name three; Bill Higley was a live radio singer who's repitoire was based on authentic American folksongs, largely learned from his long time friend "Haywire Mac." And then, in the Seattle area, my family used to go to the "supper clubs" to hear the likes of "Sheriff Tex and his Down Home rangers" and "B.Buck Ritchie." These guys performed live on stage long before the days of early T.V. And of course, to mention yet another, there was also Ivar Haglund, with his friend Jim Stevens, who had a Sunday morning radio show in Seattle titled "Keep Washington Green." CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Liam
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 09:10 PM

Thinking of the Bay Area along with the previously mentioned Don Burnham and Dynamite Annie Johnston, who could not forget Heidi Barton of Heidi's Hotel in Berkeley. Also upstairs was Rick Dougherty later of Limelighter's fame. Another pretty well known folkie was harp playerWill Scarlett who later played with Hot Tuna.
It does take me back, Liam Deyerle

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lin
Date: 08 Apr 08 - 02:09 AM

Someone posted a message that they had a tape that the British folk duo, BRACKENWOOD made. I cannot seem to find it now. I did send a message to you but not sure if you ever received my message.

Brackenwood were a duo of two guys that I used to see at Bunjies Folk Cellar in London, England in the 70's and 80's. I don't know what became of this duo or if they might still be together.

If the person who posted a message mentioning that you had a recording of theirs please post again. Brackenwood were Jez & Clive (don't know their last names) but they had a weekly gig at Bunjies Folk Celler for many years.

Thank you,
Lin

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Atlanta Leonda Fan
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 04:52 PM

Here in Atlanta, we longingly remember several folk clubs from the sixties: The Bistro, The Catacombs, The Twelfth Gate. But my personal favorite was a wonderful place called The Bottom of the Barrel.
We heard a lot of great performers there: David Bromberg, Odetta, Len Chandler, Jeff Espina, Pat Alger, The Ewing Street Times, Raun MacKinnon, Leonda and others.

Jeff Espina was a regular favorite at the Barrel and had a lot of fans.

Leonda was WONDERFUL! She had the world's greatest smile, and was a terrific blues player & singer. She played the Barrel several times, but never enough.
My thanks to Fiftyford, who said that Leonda's album (Woman in the Sun) had been released on CD. I promptly googled it and ordered a couple of copies. Now I can save my old vinyl copies. Sure wish she would record some more!!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Severn
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 05:22 PM

Don brought up the names Reed and Ives.

As far as Burl Ives and Susan Reed go, I found radio show transcript LPs intended to be used for broadcast today in a pawn shop for the "The World Of Folk Music" programs put out as a public service by The Social Security Administration with Ives as a host (later replaced by Oscar Brand) and Reed as a guest performer. I started a thread soliciting more background information for these LPs, so if you have any, please post them to the

"The World Of Folk Music Radio Shows LPs"

thread elsewhere on the Mudcat Forum. Thank you.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 05:40 PM

Don Firth got onto the planet a little bit ahead of me, but I remember, during the late 1940's, hearing Burl Ives, The Weavers and Josh White, among others, on radio broadcasts. Locally, in my part of California's San Joaquin Valley, a lot of the music came from Dust Bowl transplants - John Steinbeck's "Okies" and others, primarily from the mid south and southwest.

A lot of it, even though it came from singers who were "country," or "hillbilly" or "western swing" artists, had roots in folk music of the Appalachians and the rural south. People like Merle Travis were very influential at the time, writing songs which, while not purely "folk," were inspired by their forbears' real life experiences. The best known examples would be songs like "Dark as a Dungeon." The dry, often dark humor, the ironic and often poignant lyrics reflected their own unique approach to "hard times." I did not learn a lot of songs from this genre, but I certainly developed a respect for those who "lived" them, and a sense of what their lives must have been like. In the end, I guess that is what "folk music" is really all about; the process of sharing one's unique reality across generations.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers - LIZ CORRIGAN
From: GUEST,evanDove
Date: 01 May 08 - 06:44 AM

Hi,

Yes, Liz Trevor Corrigan, Liz Corrigan, Elizabeth, Liz Seneff - all the same person. She did do the Guthrie show. died in August 1993. She and I lived together for about 4 years till 1990 - remained friends and she stayed with me her last 4 months upstate for a while and her last month was as St. Vincent's Hospital , New York City. She sang till the end - as long as she had energy. I remember Rabbi Gelberman, coming into the room at the hospital once, (I worked with R. Gelberman at the New Seminary), and she perked up and said. 'let's sing' and we sang a country spiritual I had written - "You Shined Your Light Down on Me".

If anyone wishes to know more about her, please feel free to contact me: [e-mail],

peace

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Joseph de Culver City
Date: 01 May 08 - 11:31 AM

I remember Cyrus Faryar (of The Modern Folk Quartet)here on the west coast (US). Also John McEuen (still making fine music). Barry McGuire was around a while before he joined The Christy Minstrels.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 01 May 08 - 10:23 PM

Cyrus Faryar was in Dave Guard's group (Whiskeyhill Singers) with Liz Seneff (Corrigan) wasn't he? As my old bass player Danny Counts (author of "I keep My Wife in Debasement," "Diesel Dykes on Motorbikes" and other hits) said, "It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it." He also said, "Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver" so I'll shut up now.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Tom Franke
Date: 01 May 08 - 11:28 PM

I can confirm that Danny Cox was performing at the Kansas City Vanguard coffee house as early as 1965. Amazing, talented performer who never quite made it big. I invited him to a performance at a festival in Maryland around 1975. At that time he was living part of the year on a horse farm in Mexico but still performing out of Kansas City.

He could move an audience with the power of his personality, great voice (opera training in Paris, I think) and excellent guitar work.

I think Danny is still playing. A recording of a song under his name is on the Ruckus Music Service. The song is "Bring Our Loved Ones Home," and it sure sounds like the same Danny Cox.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 04 May 08 - 11:11 AM

Memo to BK Lick: Thanks so much for including me in your master list (#524) but please adjust your records to show what my actual name was at that time - Joanne Hindley-Smith. I wouldn't even mention it, but I wouldn't want anyone to confuse me with Myra Hindley, the British serial killer. Fyi, I'm still very much performing in the Toronto area, with my amazing partner in all things musical, Paul Mills. The handle is Joanne Crabtree nowadays.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 04 May 08 - 11:15 AM

PS. I've got two other threads on the go. Titled What Else Can I Do? and Speaking of sixties' folk singers ... they could use some support.
Thank you.
Joanne

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Marc Bromberg
Date: 25 May 08 - 08:04 AM

Does anyone reading this remember a woman whose original name is Nancy Rosenthal, then changed it to Nancy Michaels, then to Molly Malone?
My email is [e-mail].
I would love to contact her.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Di the retired educator
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 02:47 PM

I am trying to find whatever happened to Glenn Yarlborough; I went to three of his concerts in Portland, Oregon when he came to town and have 2 albums...would love to find a CD. Anyone help me? I'm hitting deadends. He was a 60's, 70's artist. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 03:51 PM

Try contacting Folk Era, they have put out some newer Glenn Yarborough recordings. I think you could get them by googling them.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 04:01 PM

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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,David Jones, Guest.
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 07:59 PM

Think I remember hearing Joanne Hindley Smith singing at The Troubador and other clubs in London in the 1960s.
David Jones

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: olddude
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:17 PM

Paul Langille and also Mary Smith from Flint Michigan
and a group that called themselves fried chicken and watermelon
amazing

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 11:11 AM

Two names from the late 1950's and early 1960's sprang to mind yesterday. One, Pete Jacobs, appears on someone's list, above. I saw him in Fresno, CA, at the old Renaissance coffee house in about 1960 when he was doing the west coast circuit. I have often wondered what became of him.

The other, Hadley Batchelder III (yes, III) was a San Diego based singer who made his way to Seattle in about 1962. Years later, I ran into him when he was dean of a local law school. If you ever saw Hadley, you would remember his stentorian vocal renderings.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Clara Listensprechen
Date: 11 Jun 08 - 05:58 PM

THIS IS FOR SHANE, OF PAGE 1:

Shane, you described a song that talks about a guy whose rope factory (in Mexico) burnt down and who wound up on the USS Titanic with 400 feet of rope (actually 497 and a half feet of rope cuz he "just carries it").

That would be The Legend of the USS Titanic made popular in 1968 by Jaime Brockett.

Actually a story about prize fighter Jack Johnson getting a gig in England and "went over on the boat", and the portion you talk about is the description of the Titanic's first mate.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: voyager
Date: 12 Jun 08 - 02:51 PM

I just received a copy of

Urban Spacemen and Wayfaring Strangers -
'Overlooker Innovators and Eccentric Visionaries of 60's Rock
by Richie Unterberger
Urban Spacemen and Wayfaring Strangers

Chapters on Tim Buckley, Fred Neil, Mimi & Richard Farina and a few other Folk-Rock legends. Lots of name-dropping and related performers.

Cheers
voyager

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,ltl- Atlanta - Bistro and Bottom of the Bar
Date: 30 Jun 08 - 02:08 AM

The Bistro and the Bottom of the Barrel were two clubs (aka 'listening rooms') in Atlanta during the late 60's and early 70's you could go to hear great music. Among the known names were Kingston Trio, Chad Mitchell, Fred Neil, Gabe Kaplan (comedian - Welcome Back Kotter), Carolyn Hester, Towndes Van Zant and John Hartford at the Bistro; Buffy Saint Marie, Odetta, Nina Simone, Len Chandler , Jeff Espina at the Barrel.

Lesser known but some of my favorites - were David Buskin; Jim Dawson (of Good Earth with Bill Swafford who became Oliver); John D.Loudermilk (wrote Tobacco Road); Manchild (from Louisiana - Sam Broussard was a member); Ron Kickasola (who at the time was with Don, Sharon, and Barry Dunaway; and most of all the local favorite - Silverman. Silverman was def. one of those groups that should have 'made it'. Ron Norris was an incredible singer, writer and guitarist, Deborah McColl sang with a voice like an angel, and Karl Cusio played flute - as well being a funny, funny man. It was a sad day for Atlanta when they disbanded. Deborah toured with Jimmy Buffet for a time. I heard that she had recently been singing again in California, after many years hiatus during her career as a psychologist, but don't know anything else about ROn or Karl.

The first time I ever heard Ron, he was playing with "The Hand Band", at the Barrel. Another member was Pat Alger - in the years since, Pat has written a number of top country hits, including performers like Garth Brooks.   

The Bistro held larger crowds, and there were many nights that the line stretched down the sidewalk as people waited to get into a show.       It was a converted house, owned by Tom and Sandy Hayward. They were equal partners in running the club, and equal in their ability to make anyone who came thru the door feel like part of their family.

They gave performers a place to stay, invited them into their homes, fed them,(Sandy was a gourmet cook), helped them meet other people and network.
   Tom built the club's sound system himself, and continually worked to improve it's quality as the technology expanded. He managed booking the entertainment, and always had a good ear for new talent. Scouts from record labels like Columbia frequented the Bistro, knowing the quality of entertainment, and brought their up and coming acts there to be exposed to a discriminating audience.   
    Sandy took care of the customers - she knew the names of all the regulars, and what they liked to eat and drink. Beer and pizza were served, but woe be unto the dummy that talked during a performance - Sandy was quick to tell them to be quiet in no uncertain terms.

It was a wonderful time to hear live music in a small venue in Atlanta. The performers were top notch, the listeners were appreciative and respectful, and the club owners were fervent in their desire to showcase the best music available.

The Barrel was quirkier, and much more like an old style NY style coffeehouse - with beer.   It was located in the bottom of a row of old townhouses, and was damp and cold in the winter;, hot and stuffy as blazes in the summer. In the summer that cold beer was a necessity to deal with the heat in a small crowded room! Neil Estes and ? ?Cohen? were the owners. They loved true folk music passionately, and treated their customers well. Because the Barrel was a smaller venue, and you sat just a few feet from the singers. This made for an incredible sense of involvement with what was going on on stage. It felt like you were sitting in your living room, and you were blown away by their musicianship. I can still see the half smirk on Jeff Espina's face as he sang "Tennessee Stud", and   Len Chandler's eyes   blazing with the intensity of his message.

Both clubs provided an intimacy and a give and take between performer and audience that will never be experienced in a large concert hall.
I am glad that I was able to have that time in my life.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,dan cucich
Date: 05 Jul 08 - 03:58 AM

I remember Jess Espina well.
He was the greatest mimic I have ever seen.
He could credibly pull off songs from all sorts of diverse
idoms.

Buegrass, traditional folk, latin songs (of course)
as well as delta blues, etc. He played a good
blues harp, cross blowing and bending notes,
with the best.

he mimicked Bob Dylan like no other, and
was a natural musician.
I rememebr He played a clarinet one
night at party over on lafayette way, in at the
apartment of a guy named
Marty who had a Vincent motorcycle.

I first met Jeff through Jeannine and Mike Briles
at a party at artist Stefan Thomas's house, that night he introduced me to the open c tuning, which is still onbe of the most effective open tunings there is. He had just retruned from Minnesita where he had spent some time with John Koerner, one of his idols, who also played at the Barrel.

Jeff and I along with Alex Salowich, Ellen McIlwaine, Eleanor (Walden) Hoffman, Ernie Marrs, Bud Foote, Daniel Smith, Buddy Moss, Deeanne Wiggins, Kay Cothrin, Pat Sky, Chip Baker, Brooksie Hunnicutt and many others spent countless nites picking and singin to the wee hours of the morning.

I'll never forget those days on the Peacthree strip from 14th to tenth where anything and everything thing went down.

Funny thing, I dont rememeber Jeff owning a guitar in Atlanta- he always seemed to borrow one when he played at the barrel or Rucilios. He definitely broke in my my old Gibson S-J...

last I heard Jeff was living in the Tampa area where he grew up and working on a shrimp boat. Sadly, I hear his wife, Dickie, the mother of his children passed away just a couple of years ago.

Jeff was not the settling down type, and was totaly wild.
I could go on and on about some of the stuff we got into...

Anybody remember Sandy Rainey, who was a figure model at the Atlanta College of Art with Jeff?

She was one wild woman..

Oh yeah, Barbara Carnes passed away-one heck of a folk singer she was...

Dan Cucich

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Jul 08 - 07:11 AM

guest Jay - February tis year!

Just seen ya!

I knew Roger Brooks.

PM me about him.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 12:46 AM

Howdy;
Anyone ever heard of Sam Cancilla also known as CC Ryder great folk singer. Was also half of a duet known as the talismen?
Terrence1

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Peter Neff
Date: 08 Aug 08 - 10:34 AM

Fun nostalgic site. Yes I saw Sam Cancilla when he was in The Talismen. It was at a hotel lounge on Fort Lauderdale beach. His partner was none other than Michael Smith who wrote 'The Dutchman' and many, many other great songs. Just visited with Mike this past weekend in Chicago where he lives and thrives in music and theater. I asked him about a song they did which I thought Mike had written. A line in the song which pariodied 'Dixie'. It went: 'Way down on the old plantation, we don't speak of integration, look away, look away, look away, Dixieland.' Since Mike is a terrfic writer of satire and comedic songs I thought he had written it. He said he didn't and couldn't rememeber where they'd found that one. We also talked about our old stomping grounds...South Florida coffeehouses: Catacombs, The Pegasus and most notably The Flick. Mike spoke glowingly of Fred Neil, Jeff Espina and Ron Kickasola who I will be seeing this next weekend. Ron lives very happily in North Carolina by the way.
The Flick was a wonderful coffehouse where one could see four acts a night in the early years.. performers like the ones mentioned above and Vince Martin, Steve Goodman, Liz Seneff(Corrigan), Gamble Rodgers, Joni Mitchell, Chuck Mitchell, Gabe Kaplan, Estrella Berosini, John Vandiver, The Ewing Street Times, Dion, Jimmy Buffett, Jerry Jeff Walker and many others that at the moment I can't recall. If anyone is interested, there is a site devoted to the South Florida Folk Music Scene called 'Everybodys Talkin' which you can find at fredneil.com of just click the link below:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/thedolphins

Sorry I went on so long. Great site.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 08 Aug 08 - 12:15 PM

Deckman or Don Firth, whoever gets there first:

I remember Ivar Haglund mainly for the giant bowls of steamed clams I used to enjoy in his downtown Seattle restaurant, around 1961 or '62, during the fair. I know he had another, better known location on the waterfront. Was he not the author of the song, "Acres of Clams" as well? If you know, which came first, the restaurant or the song?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: curmudgeon
Date: 08 Aug 08 - 12:23 PM

Subject: RE: Acres of Clams-WA song-please clarify
From: Bruce O.
Date: 11 Jan 00 - 10:35 PM

The lyrics are in DT as "Old Settler's Song". My understanding was as Sandy's above, and we both remember it was the theme song for a radio program of folk songs sung by Ivar Haglund in Seattle on Sunday mornings in the 1950's. The song was written by Francis Henry, a judge in Washington Territory, some time before it became a state, but I don't know exactly when.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,"Boogie" Bruce
Date: 15 Aug 08 - 09:43 PM

I knew Steve Mann quite well. He regularly performed at L.A.'s The Ashgrove and also backed up numerous famous people on recordings. He was off the circuit for many years but now lives in Oakland. Go to www.stevemanngtr.com for information about recent releases and updates about Steve himself. "Alive and Pickin'" includes previously unreleased tracks (including three where he accompanies Janice Joplin)and some from old albums. They just re-released "Live at The Ashgrove" on CD from Bella Roma Records in Berkeley. Check 'em out.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 12:45 AM

Regarding "Acres of Clams" ... "The Old Settler", Bruce O is quite correct. If you check in on The Pacific Northwest Folklore Society website, you'll hear me singing the version that Ivar taught me. Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: TalkingBird
Date: 16 Aug 08 - 10:47 AM

Randy Burns was a rising star in the 60's, playing regularly at the Gaslight in NY city and releasing albums in 1965, 67, and 69. Hearing his first album, "Of Love and War," in a college dorm room in 1967 is what got me interested in folk music. He disappeared from the radar for a long time, but recently started performing again, sounding better than ever.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Marcia Stehr
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 02:20 PM

Reading this has been an amazing experience. My family moved within walking distance of Washington Square in 1950. My love of music had begun earlier in my life but those Sundays and then the Hoots and concerts became very important.

Does anybody remember Danny Z. (Daniel Zemachson)?
He was a fiddle player (studied classical violin) in NY in the late '50s-early '60s. He used to play at Alan Block's, the Square and gatherings at people's apts. and lofts. He was a friend of Arnie Feldman.

How about Geno Foreman?
Guitar and banjo player, singer, song writer, artist, and writer. He recorded a 77 in 1958 at Dobell's with Jimmie Mc Gregor and Shirley Bland. Geno played guitar on When You Hear them Cuckcoos Hollerin' on Joan Baez's Fifth Album. He was instrumental in making it possible for Hamza el Din to come to the US and make a record for Vanguard. He was my husband and the father of our daughter, Haydee Foreman.
There is a mudcat thread about Geno: Did you know Gino Foreman?
Sometimes people spelled his name with an "i". Interesting stories about Geno.
Also, you can hear him playing and singing on the movie "Dope". A trailer with him singing can be found at: www.dopethemovie.net.

Here in Santa Fe I reconnected with muscians I knew in NY and Cambridge.

Rolf Cahn became a good friend for many years. He would call me on the phone once a week and we would talk for at least an hour. I treasure those conversations. He called me just a week before he died. I did not know that he was ill but looking back at that last conversation I realize he was saying goodbye. RIP Rolf.

Erik Darling became another friend here. I first met Erik in the early '50s when I was a student at Elizabeth Irwin High School. He had begun painting while living here in Santa Fe and came by my studio to see my work. Later, John Cohen told me he had seen Erik's paintings and that they reminded him of mine. RIP Erik.

I have many memories of those years, Washington Sq., all of the cafes, music venues in NY and later in Cambridge. I worked at Gerde's Folk City in the early '60s and met all of the musicians who played there during those years.

I was so fortunate to be in that place at that time.

Peace,
Marcia

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Vicar
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 05:55 PM

Just noticed someone asked about the whereabouts of Len Chandler. I remember him well and saw him in LA. We were working a poliical phone bank and recognizedeach other. No folowup, but he's out here someplace.
                                                                                           Joe Frazier
                                                                                           CMT

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jimo
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:42 PM

The Braid was a group of singer/songwriters that played the Village Vanguard, Gerdes, Cafe Wha, Town Hall, Fat Black Pussycat, Carnegie Recital Hall, Kenny's Castaways (it's original uptown location),the Metro Club and a little joint called Steak n' Stein on th ecprner of 4th and Thompson, I think. Plus, any club that hire a group that played acoustic originals. We also toured the country as part of College Coffee House Circuit. We lasted from 1968 to 1977, recorded for ABC/Dunhill but that was about it. The Braid ultimately morphed into a rock group named "Cocky", played a few shows and then disbanded.
Our songs were written individually and a collectively and performed with three part harmony, two Martins and electric bass. We played on the same bill with some of the greats of our time....Tim Hardin, Ry Cooder, David Bromberg, Larry Coryell, David Allen Coe, Harry Chapin to name a few....Thanks for the chance to place the Braid on the list.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jimo
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 04:02 PM

Hi Marcia,
In an earlier posting you mentioned Erik Darling...He was a master guiatarist and teacher, as well. I was a student of his when he lived on the upper west side. He taught me how to fingerpick. I still use the patterns he showed me. He was a gentleman and one of the greats.

James

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,David Adkins
Date: 21 Sep 08 - 01:18 PM

I was working for an insurance company in the 60's and couldn't wait to come home, take off that blasted tie and coat and hang out with my friends at the Bistro in mid-town Atlanta over a couple of PBR's. While Ray Whitley was my favorite, Jeff Espina, Talisman and the Wayfarers were fantastic talents. I recently helped start a site to commemorate the club if you want to remember some of the folks that played there. It is www.bistroatlanta.com Check it out.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Firesidesingers
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 04:15 AM

re: Cyrus Faryar....Yes, he was in The Whiskeyhill Singers with Dave Guard, Buck Wheat and Judy Henske when they made their one album on Capitol (and what a wonderfully strange album it is). Liz Seneff then replaced Judy. Cyrus had a couple of solo albums (which have been reissued by Collectors' Choice), and played with the Modern Folk Quartet/Modern Folk Quintet/MFQ for decades. They may still be together, as they were big in Japan and Hawaii.

Bruce G. Kirkman   [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 07:56 PM

Ernie Lieberman (aka Ernie Sheldon)
Betty Sanders
Leon Bibb
Milt Okun
Woody Wachtel
Kossoy Sisters
Modern Folk Quartet
Alan Mills (known well in Canada)
Brother John Sellers
Lynn Gold
Molly Scott
Dick Rosmini
Fred Gerlach
Pat Foster
Billy Faier
Micheal Saul
Art Greenbaum
Derroll Adams
Joan Sprung
Marcia Berman
Dave Zeitlin
Erik Darling
Tommy Geraci
Ethel Raim
Sam Hinton (well-known in San Diego but little mentioned which is a shame)
Hally Wood
Verne Partlow

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Elliott Hill
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 04:04 AM

When I was in the Navy in San Diego, Ken Connors and I would play the local coffee houses and pick up spare change by playing along the Mission Beach seawall. Ken played a mean mandolin and I played guitar, banjo and autoharp. We would go to the "Blue Guitar" on Thursday nights for their gathering. Mason Williams was in the Navy then, and he would play guitar and banjo, and a cute girl would play dulcimer. great music at the Blue Guitar. There was a coffee house in Mission Beach called "The End", very typical but nice for the Mission Beach locals (I had an apt. in Mission Beach).

    If anyone knows if Ken Connors (Dan The Grub) is still around, I would like to contact him.

    I played a lot after the Navy, Sacramento, Berkeley, Santa Rosa and San Francisco to some success but never anything big time. Ran around with Mark Spolestra for some time and learned a lot from him. Sadly, he passed away about two years ago. A stroke in 1999 has me laid up and not playing any more (lost my left side control), I listen a lot but I sure miss playing my instruments. My son has picked them up and plays very well. He has a Martin Woody Guthrie 00018 (1 of 200 made),

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers San Francisco
From: GUEST,Bill Collins
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 03:03 PM

Billy Roberts wrote Hey Joe, Not Bobby Roberts.
Rolph Kahn (Cahn) 12 string guitarist from Berkeley CA.
LIsa Kindred.
Terry Wadsworth.
John Swingle
Marty Balin (Buchwald)
Eddie Ellison
Pat Paulsen Folk-comedian
Stu Goldberg
David Freiberg
Steve Martin played Coffee houses on Grant Ave. SF

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Oct 08 - 03:38 PM

Yeah, I knew Billy Roberts. He was hanging out in the Seattle area during the Seattle World's Fair in 1962. He sang a bit at the "92 Yesler" coffeehouse, as I recall.

I met Rolf Cahn in Berkeley in 1959. Had some good song-swapping sessions with him. 12-string guitar? I don't know about that. He wasn't playing one when I knew him. He played a steel-string (6-string) guitar, and he also played a very fine Rodrigues flamenco guitar.

Terry Wadsworth, I knew quite well. I think he was originally from Tacoma, Washington, but he lived in Seattle for several years in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Sang in coffeehouses quite a bit. Randy Sparks drifted through town looking to recruit a new singer or two for the New Christy Minstrels, heard Terry, and hired him. He sang with the NCM for about a year, then had a disagreement with Sparks and quit. Came back to Seattle for a visit, then moved on. I haven't seen him or heard anything about him since.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Carolyn
Date: 27 Oct 08 - 10:32 AM

This is to Peace (Bruce). Doing the nostalgia thing and found this thread. You might remember me, was a friend of Nancy's in the late 60's, hung out at your place. Remember you telling us of this great new song and pulling out your guitar and singing "in my mind I'm going to Carolina...." I was Carolyn Edwards, now married and living in Ohio. Just found a couple of other old friends through the internet. How is Nancy doing?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Blossomberry Boy
Date: 29 Oct 08 - 02:06 PM

Ric Von Schmidt had a farm in Henniker, NH in the 70s. I found out about that after Ric had lost the ability due to talk due to his cancer operation. (I did ask Jim Rooney about the farm, but he didn't remember -- thought it might have been for Ric's daughter, bought with money from the Dylan/Baez posters on which he was receiving royalties.)

Does anyone know about this farm? Is it still in the family? Can anyone fill me in on the circumstances under which it was bought?

Peace,

B.B.

[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 08:57 AM

Bill Collins: Yes, Billy Roberts for Hey Joe. Not Bobby Roberts. Although I swear the memory neurons remember Tex referring to him as "Bobby." Ah the 60's... Or as Tex used to say, :if you can remember the 60's, you weren't really there..."

Wondering if, during your lifetime, somebody got you confused with "Phil" Collins? Nah, couldn't happen...BR

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Molly Meisenheimer
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 02:17 PM

WOW! I am Tom Meisenheimer's daughter and was looking around the internet for obscure folk singer info and found this thread (gotta love technology!). To respond to "Fastblind" (though that post was a while ago) my dad is still playing music, though in New Haven, MO. Herb is still in Yountville, doing ok, just got a call from him today as a matter of fact (hence the search for my childhood on the internet).

It was always a treat to have my dad, Herb, Mick (Milton) and lord knows who else in our living room, teaching us the music, playing REAL music. And I even remember being about 4 years old and dancing impromptu Irish jigs at the Folk Music Club in San Francisco. I was lucky enough to be able to bring my daughter (when she was about 7) up to Mike Heintz's property and listen to Herb, Mike and my dad throw down a great old session of good music.

Thanks for having this thread, it was a nice bit of nostalgia.

--Molly

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 01:06 AM

Joseph de Culver City,

Hi! From me, originally from a stones throw from Culver...up over the hill, near the big 'L'

Two that come to mind..I mixed sound for Barry McGuire, in Santa Fe,N.M.,in the late eighties. By that time he had stopped his drinking, and he was just great, and spiritually hot! He introduced 'Eve of Destruction' as the first 'protest' song of the sixties..and it was still true to tat day! He personally sought me out, after the show, and thanked me for the best mixing he had performing live!

Also, there are some works from Judy Collins, album, 'Fires of Eden'..one in particular is called 'The Blizzard', and in my opinion, the best Judy ever wrote, and performed. It took her three years to write it!..All those who live in Colorado, should definitely hear it!! I vote it become the state song! Truly, her masterpiece!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Wkoq0bCGU

Met and knew a few more, but I thought those may be of interest!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Wondering if, by chance, you are the left-ha
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 10:18 PM

David Jones?

R. David Jones, of 000-41L fame?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 10:30 PM

I think GUEST, David Jones who posted on June 9th of this year is the reason R. David went by the 'R'. This one (R-less) originated in England.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Deckman
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 11:11 PM

Don Firth ... After several years of searching, I heard from the brother of the late Terry Wadsworth. He died hard in California some years ago. The tone of his brother's comments tell me that he was much revered. Bob Nelson

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:24 PM

When people hear the name Randy Sparks, the first thing that comes to mind is The New Christy Minstrels. When I first met him, around 1959, he was doing a solo act as a folk singer/balladeer.

Another from my old area, Fresno, CA, was the late George Cromarty who, along with his partner, Ed Rush, performed as The Goldcoast Singers. They were the original composers of "Plastic Jesus." I believe they only made one album.

Two local Fresno State college professors, Peter Everwine and the late Gene Bluestein, were fine performers and noted folk historians. Gene's son, Emo, still performs in the area. Peter has become better known for his award-winning poetry.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:42 PM

Molly Meisenheimer,

I knew your dad back in the 1960s in Chicago. Fond memories of his banjo picking reside here with me---and of the small folk club on Sedgwick Street called the "Erectheon" after it's original name was deemed too stiff -- if ya know what I mean!?

To all who were there then:

Where are Roger Luzwick and Mike Slosson from those Erectheon days now? Anyone know??    And Bobby Brundage---daughter of Slim Brundage who ran the College Of Complexes beat forum and hangout on North State St. in Chicago -- early '60s?

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 12:59 AM

Hey Molly: Say hello to your dad for me...glad he's doing well and still at it making music. -

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:12 AM

Yes Guest from Sanity. I was interested. Much more than in the political stuff!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 08 - 02:18 PM

looking for good duet Rob And Marion Wilson sang in varios folk clubs in the Andover area, Rob is no longer with us but what a miss he is though Marion is still active in the folk scene from Bob Wilson Dad in law

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 11:46 AM

I notice that Bill Collins, above, mentions Pat Paulsen in a list of names. In the "small world" category, I once marketed wine for Pat and for Dick Smothers, neither of whom would lay claim to being folk musicians without sporting a big grin. I visited Pat at his winery in Asti, Sonoma County, a few years before his death. His guest house living room was a repository of 1968 campaign memorabilia left over from his "Vote or Get Off the Pot" effort. I still have a mailing tube full of it. His family recently rekindled his old Presidential campaign on line. He was running on the "Posthumous Ticket." He once remarked to me that politicians should follow the first point of the Hippocratic Oath: "First, do no harm."

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Dalia
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 04:49 PM

Vince Martin and Fred Neil sang together in Miami and released at least one record. They coud spend 20 minutes trying to tune those two 12 strings. Ron Kickasola was around then, and I bought his guitar with my first check from my first checking account! Still have it, too. He told me he bought it from Joni Mitchell. No way to verify it, but it's a great thought - and story.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 04:54 PM

anyone mentioned Judee Sill ?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Lance Wakely
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 02:54 PM

Bruce Farwell, Thank you for mentioning me. Since discovering my name on this thread I feel I must put my three cents in. I definately was a little known folk singer. I first came to Greenwich Viliage in New York in 1963 as a 19 year old wet behind the ears kid. I started playing at the basket houses along with Steven Stills, Peter Tork, Filix Pappalardi, Casy Anderson, Eric Anderson, Major Wiley and many of the others from the New York scene who have already been mentioned. I went from being a little known singer to a somewhat more well known sideman guitarist for several well known acts of that era. Monte Dunn, who was mentioned earlier, and I shared a garden apartment for a year or so around 1964/65. He eventually went to Canada to play guitar for Ian and Sylvia and I never saw him again. I was playing with a band called The Pheonix Singers. Three gay black refugees from the former Harry Belafonte singers. Later I played with Bob Gibson who at the time was a very well known folk singer and my early folk idol. Bob Gibson and I were both busted in Toronto Canada in 1965 for drugs. Paul Stukey of Peter, Paul and Mary fronted me 20,000 dollars to bail my young butt out of jail. 20,000 dollars in 1965 was a veritable fortune. I might still be there in jail today if it wasn't for him. Later around 1968 I moved to LA where I became the guitarist for Hoyt Axten who also was very established as a folk singer, song writer and crazed alcholic. Many the night we had to carry all 220 Ripple soaked pounds of him out of the club and dump him into the van. No easy task. At some point he fired me and I left the folk music world to join the world of rock and roll playing in a few California bands of some fame at the time. In 1979 I left the U.S. with another musician friend to seek our fortune in Europe just to see what it was all about. He was called Professor Washboard and I became Dr. Harmonica and Dr. Harmonica I am today. I still live in Europe and perform regularly though now I am known as a blues man. Many of the people mentioned here were folks I knew, drank with, played with and got high with. A few I made love to (females) but that was all long ago and far away.If anybody reads this and wants to contact me and talk about the good old days when we were young I'm at [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 26 Nov 08 - 04:11 PM

Great reading Lance. I'm sure a few here will be in contact.
Beer (adrien)
Montreal area

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Casey Anderson
Date: 04 Dec 08 - 06:02 PM

Does any remember an artist who recorded on ATCO Casey Anderson?
I remember the vinyl Casey Anderson live at the Ice House? He had a bluesy soufflé voice reminiscent of Joe & Eddie
appreciate any information availiable
James Leo
New Patlz NY

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Peter Neff
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 01:07 AM

Definetly remember Casey Anderson. My partner and I were playing the Flick and so was Elizabeth (Corrigan) and George Blackwell. Casey was playing the Gaslight South and came over after his gig was done. He jammed with George and sang with Liz. It was a blues and he and Liz sounded terrific together. I think it was the first time they met. Anyway, I remember he was talking about a movie script he was writing about a little known military calvery made up of black horse riders. That's about all I can recall.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Dec 08 - 03:10 PM

I recall Casey Anderson on an early CBS television show called FOLKSOUND USA. Amazingly, also on that show were:

Cisco Houston--narrator (he sang "Hard Traveling")
Joan Baez
Flatt and Scruggs

John Jacob Niles
John Lee Hooker--he sang his "Hobo Blues"--a great song.
Frank Warner did Joe Henry Johnson's "Peanut Vender's Cry" from Suffolk, Virginia
...and a few other I can't recall

Also a choral group who did a not very good, I thought, musical arrangement of a Walt Whitman poem---"I Hear America Singing"

At the time it was on the air, 1959 or '60, I taped this program on my old Webcor reel-to-reel machine by holding a small hand mike up to the TV speaker.

They only recordings from this show that have survived until 2008 are the two songs by Cisco Houston and his spoken intros. The man did have a great speaking voice. Singing too, of course. It has always seemed pretty much apparent to me that when Cisco sang with Woody Guthrie he was using a voice that was more plain than his usual fuller timbered vocal capabilities -- in order to blend better with Woody.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 12:34 AM

From: weelittledrummer
Date: 15 Nov 08 - 01:12 AM

Yes Guest from Sanity. I was interested. Much more than in the political stuff!

Actually, the political stuff a enemy to us all...I can't stand it when the government dictates, our morals, culture, 'behavior modification to suit an agenda, or anything other than what it should be doing...
As so far as to other artist I have worked for, with, or know, or knew, there's a few...(wasn't sure if that's what you were referring to)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Cool Beans
Date: 13 Dec 08 - 11:03 AM

Art: I, too, remember "Folksound USA." Peter Yarrow sang "Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?" long before he was part of some folk trio I dimly recall. And Mildred Bailey sang "Hello, Little Boy" and Lightning Hopkins was on it too. I recorded it on my reel-to-reel Bell recorder but I don't know where the tape is--probably in a box in my basement.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 02:28 AM

The Nation crossword puzzle has been delayed in the mail so, needing a challenge, I've updated the compilation of names mentioned in this thread. No doubt some have been missed and some are extraneous but all in all it's probably, as we sometimes say, good enough for folk music.

—BK

   1 Lee Aaron
   2 Tossi Aaron
   3 Benjie Aaronoff
   4 Joe Aaronson
   5 Roger Abrahams
   6 Ronney Abramson
   7 Mike Absalom
   8 Milton Acorn
   9 Derroll Adams
10 Jon Adams
11 Addiss & Crowfut
12 Mike Agranoff
13 Fran Aiken
14 Andy Aldrich
15 Ted Alevizos
16 Pat Alger
17 Mitch Aliotta
18 Clark Allen
19 Almanac Singers
20 Peter Alsop
21 Ross Altman
22 Rob Ambrosino
23 Casey Anderson
24 Chris Anderson
25 Eric Anderson (Andersen?)
26 Lynn Anderson
27 Pink Anderson
28 Sam Andrew
29 Harvey Andrews
30 Alan Arkin
31 Joey Armando
32 George & Gerry Armstrong
33 Jennifer Armstrong
34 Lucie Arnaz
35 Paul Arnoldi
36 Irving Ashby
37 John Ashford
38 Sally Ashford
39 Mary Asquith
40 Adele Assante
41 Bob Atcher
42 Mike Atwood
43 George Austin
44 Gene Autry
45 Hoyt Axton
46 Joan Baez
47 Mildred Bailey
48 Bob Bain
49 Bruce Baker
50 Chip Baker
51 Chuck Baker
52 Fiddlin' Slim Baker
53 Long John Baldry
54 Marty Balin (Buchwald)
55 Paula Ballan
56 Roma Baran
57 Dave Barber
58 Bill Barclay
59 Horton Barker
60 Barbara Barrow
61 Heidi Barton
62 Robbie Basho
63 Monster Bass
64 John Bassett
65 Paul Bassett
66 Hadley Batchelder III
67 Charlie Baum
68 Jeff Baxter
69 Mel Bay
70 Tammy Baylis
71 Paul Beaver
72 Renee Beghosian
73 Dominic Behan
74 Harry Belefonte
75 Earl Benson
76 Peter Berg
77 Roy Berkeley
78 Marcia Berman
79 Estrella Berosini
80 Chuck Berry
81 Leon Bibb
82 Theodore Bikel
83 Anne Billings
84 Roy Bookbinder
85 Elvin Bishop
86 Bitter End Singers
87 George Blackwell
88 Brian Blain
89 Fanny Blair
90 Arthur Blake
91 Blind Blake
92 Shirley Bland
93 Bill Blatty
94 Richard Blaustein
95 Laurel Bliss
96 Ralph Blizzard
97 Allan Block
98 Ken Bloom
99 Mike Bloomfield
100 David Blue (S. David Cohen)
101 Emo Bluestein
102 Gene Bluestein
103 Geoff Bodenham
104 Eric Bogle
105 Ray Boguslav
106 Buddy Bohn
107 Gordon Bok
108 Danya Bokenboim
109 Jay Bolotin
110 Petroleum Bonaparte
111 Bill Bonyun
112 James Booker
113 Brown(?) Boots
114 Bryan Bowers
115 Brackenwood
116 Grant Brader
117 Hank Bradley
118 Paul Brady
119 The Braid
120 Oscar Brand
121 John Brent
122 Jim Brentano
123 Ron Brentano
124 True Brethren
125 Jim Brewer
126 Marshall Brickman
127 Key Bridge
128 Anne Briggs
129 Judy Bright
130 Jeannine and Mike Briles
131 George Britton
132 Jaime Brockett
133 David Bromberg
134 Roger Brookes
135 Roger Brooks.
136 Sam Broussard
137 Barry Brown (Broudy?)
138 Bill Brown
139 Dennis Brown
140 Fleming Brown
141 Jimmy Brown
142 Lucy Brown
143 Oscar Brown
144 Toni Brown
145 Jackson Browne
146 Oscar Browne
147 Tedd Browne
148 Bobby Brundage
149 Ian Buchanan
150 Lord Buckley
151 Tim Buckley
152 Buckwheat
153 Bud & Travis (Edmonson)
154 Dennis Budimir
155 Jimmy Buffet
156 Jimmy Buffett
157 Valucha Buffington
158 June Bugg
159 Sandy Bull
160 Bill Bunyon
161 Don Burnham
162 Raun Burnham
163 Martha Burns
164 Randy Burns
165 Howie Bursen
166 Allan Burton
167 James Burton
168 Doug Bush
169 David Buskin
170 Phil Buss
171 Paul Butterfield Blues Band
172 Anne Byrd
173 Rolf Cahn (Kahn?)
174 Terry Callier
175 Dick Cameron
176 Lindsay Cameron
177 Bob (Hamilton) Camp
178 Alex Campbell
179 Glen Campbell
180 Sam Cancilla
181 Sam (CC Ryder) Cancilla
182 Bob Canning
183 Sean Cannon
184 Guy & Candie Carawan
185 John Carbo
186 Peter Carbone
187 Bob Carey
188 "Ti Jean" Johnnie Carignan
189 Shlomo Carlbach
190 Fred Carlson
191 Larry Carlton
192 Barbara Carnes
193 Sydney Carter
194 Martin Carthy
195 Al Casey
196 Mike Castle
197 Catmother And The Allnight Newsboys

198 Pat Chamberlain
199 Slim Chance
200 Len Chandler
201 Mike Chapman
202 Clifton Chenier
203 Dominic Chianese
204 Charley Chiarenza
205 Marilyn Child
206 Charlie Chin
207 Nicky Chinn
208 Bill Chipman
209 Tai Chi Chuan
210 Bob Clark
211 William Clausen
212 John Clay
213 Paul Clayton
214 Ray Clayton
215 Ginnie Clemmons
216 Bill Clifton
217 Del Close
218 Stormy Clovers
219 Lost Coast
220 Adam Cochran
221 Bruce Cockburn
222 Ron Coden
223 David Allen Coe
224 David Coffin
225 Andy Cohen
226 Bobby Cohen
227 David Cohen
228 David Bennett Cohen
229 Herb Cohen
230 John Cohen
231 Leonard Cohen
232 S. David Cohen (David Blue)
233 Jerry Cole
234 Bud Coleman
235 Sharon Colen
236 Jimmy Collier
237 Bill Collins
238 Earl Collins
239 John Collins
240 Judy Collins
241 Peter Collins
242 Bob Coltman
243 Jonathan Comins
244 Sallie Comins
245 John Compton
246 Peggy Compton
247 Rory Condon
248 Ken Connors (Dan The Grub)
249 Ry Cooder
250 Brian Cookman
251 Pat Cooksey
252 Michael Cooney
253 Al Cooper
254 Mike Cooper
255 Phil Cooper
256 Alex Corner
257 Liz Trevor Corrigan (Liz Corrigan, Elizabeth, Liz Seneff)
258 Larry Coryell
259 Kay Cothrin
260 Elizabeth Cotton
261 James Cotton
262 Xavier Coudril
263 Pam Coulihan
264 Country Joe and the Fish
265 Danny Counts
266 Ray Court
267 Les Cousins
268 Chris Couveau
269 Andrew Cowan
270 Deb Cowan
271 John Cowles
272 Danny Cox
273 Joanne Crabtree
274 Joe Craven
275 Don Crawford
276 Rae Creevy
277 Slim Critchlow
278 George Cromarty
279 Al Cromwell
280 Dan Cucich
281 Steve Culver
282 Sis Cunningham
283 AL Curry
284 Lou Curtiss
285 Karl Cusio
286 Marty Cutler
287 Jeff Dale
288 Karen Dalton
289 Shoshanna Damari
290 Allan Dameron
291 Alan Damron
292 Allen Damron
293 Barbara Dane
294 Charlotte Daniels
295 Erik Darling
296 Bud Dashiell
297 Brent Davey
298 One Eyed Davey
299 Diane Davidson
300 Gary Davis
301 Jeff Davis
302 Patti (Reagan) Davis
303 Stu Davis
304 Tim Dawe
305 Jim Dawson (of Good Earth with Bill Swafford who became Oliver)
306 Al Day
307 Tom Deacon
308 James Deans
309 Peter Debin
310 Robert DeCormier Singers
311 Rich Dehr
312 Sandy Denney
313 Jackie DeShannon
314 Bill Destler
315 Justin Devereaux
316 Jerry Devine
317 Liam Deyerle
318 Hazel Dickens
319 Hamza el Din
320 Willie Dixon
321 Alex Dobkin
322 Bonnie Dobson
323 Craig Doerge
324 Terry Dolan
325 The Dolphins
326 Ted Donlan
327 Uncle Donnie
328 Mark Dorinson
329 Ray Dorset
330 Rick Dougherty
331 K.C. Douglas
332 Paul Downes
333 Lingo The Drifter
334 Crane Driver
335 John Drury
336 Danny Duncan
337 Tom Dundee
338 John Dunkerley
339 Liane Dunn
340 Monte Dunn
341 Willie Dunn
342 Josh Dunson
343 Dusty Road Boys
344 Mark Dvorak
345 John Dwyer
346 Richard Dyer-Bennett
347 Liz Dyer
348 Snooks Eaglin
349 John Eberhart
350 Travis Edmonson
351 Carolyn Edwards
352 Duke Edwards
353 Larry Ehrlich
354 Gary Eisenkraft
355 Peter Elbling
356 Elegant Ivory Duo
357 Joe Elias

358 Rambling Jack Eliot
359 Eddie Ellison
360 Dave Elson
361 Tommy Emmanuel
362 Logan English
363 Joe Elias Ladino Ensemble
364 Rick Epping
365 Jerry Epstein
366 Sam Eskin
367 Jeff Espina
368 Jess Espina
369 Phil Marcus Esser
370 Neil Estes
371 Bill Evans
372 Pete Everwine
373 Peter Everwine
374 Ewing Street Times
375 John Fahey
376 Billy Faier
377 Mike Fairbanks
378 Waqidi Falicoff
379 Orla Fallon
380 Beers Family
381 Carter Family
382 Mimi Farina
383 Richard Farina
384 Danny Farmer
385 Bruce Farwell
386 Cyrus Faryar (of The Modern Folk Quartet)
387 Bob Fass
388 John Henry Faulk
389 Luke Faust
390 Arnie Feldman
391 Pete Feldmann
392 Julie Felix
393 Freddy Fender
394 Arcangel Fernandez
395 Old Sharky Fester
396 Janis Fink
397 Don Firth
398 John Fitzgerald
399 Blind Erik Flatpick
400 Bela Fleck
401 Joel Fleisher
402 Judy Flenniken
403 Harmonica Frank Floyd
404 John Foley
405 Arran Folk
406 Fast Folk
407 Bud Foote
408 Ellen Ford
409 Glen Ford

410 Gino Foreman
411 Felt Forum
412 Pat Foster
413 Redd Foxx
414 Fastblind Erik Frandsen
415 Dirty Frank
416 Harmonica Frank
417 Jackson C. Frank
418 Ray Frank
419 Dave Frederickson
420 Marshal Freedland
421 David Freiberg
422 Four Frenchman
423 Rick Friedman
424 Ruthann Friedman
425 Big Wally Friedricks
426 Alan Friend
427 Gordon Friesen
428 Jesse "Lone Cat" Fuller
429 Furey Brothers
430 Sean Gagnier
431 Bob Gahtan
432 Eddie Gair
433 Jerry Galuten
434 Vin Garbetts
435 Vin Garbutt
436 Peter & Isabelle Gardiner
437 Michael Garin
438 Amos Garrett
439 Bill Garrett
440 Pat Garvey
441 Gateway Singers
442 Dick Gaughan
443 Ellen Geer
444 Will Geer
445 Country Gentlemen
446 Kitty Geovese
447 Tommy Geraci
448 George Gerdes
449 Paul Geremia
450 Fred Gerlach
451 Alice Gerrard
452 Thom Ghent
453 Bobby Gibbons
454 Denis Gibbons
455 Bob Gibson
456 Jackie Gibson
457 Lisa Gilkyson
458 Terry Gilkyson
459 Guela Gill
460 Gene Gilleskie
461 Lee Gilliand
462 Paul Gillingham
463 Allan Ginsberg
464 Kenny Girard
465 Dean Gitter
466 Dottie Gittleson
467 Tom Glaser
468 Rounded Dick Glass
469 Jim Glover
470 Godliness Skiffle Band
471 Lynn Gold
472 Barry Goldberg
473 Stu Goldberg
474 Goldcoast Singers (George Cromarty and Ed Rush)
475 John Goldfarb
476 Kenny Goldstein
477 Billy Goode
478 Cynthia Gooding
479 Steve Goodman
480 James Gordon
481 Peggy Gordon
482 Ruthie Gordon
483 Louis Gossett
484 Dave Goulder
485 Martin Graebe
486 Klaus Van Graft
487 Davy Graham
488 Red Grammer
489 Baby Gramps
490 Dan Gravas
491 Arvella Gray
492 John Gray
493 Marion Gray
494 Sarah Gray
495 Donny Green
496 Mark Green
497 Peter Green
498 Art Greenbaum
499 Dave Greenberg
500 Peter Greenberg
501 Greenbriar Boys
502 Danny Greenspoon
503 Robin Greenstein
504 John Greenway
505 Jimmie Mc Gregor
506 Sara Grey
507 Al Grierson
508 Andy Griffith
509 Mi Gronny
510 Robert Grossman
511 Mac Grundy
512 Dave Guard
513 Roy Guest
514 Dave Guth
515 Arlo Guthrie
516 Woody Guthrie
517 Venture Gwen
518 Iberus Hacker
519 Vernon Haddock
520 Ivar Haglund
521 Derek Hall
522 John Hall
523 Rene Hall
524 Samuel Hall
525 Sue Hall
526 Tom Hall
527 Frank Hamilton
528 John Hammond
529 Lorraine Hammond
530 Colonel Bruce Hampton
531 Clabe Hangan
532 Larry Hanks
533 Barry Hansen
534 Tim Hardin
535 Leonda Hardison
536 Rosie Hardman
537 Jack Hardy
538 Lee Haring
539 Roy Harper
540 Emmylou Harris
541 Joey Harris
542 Jacquie Harrison
543 Jack Harshaw
544 John Hartford
545 Ritchie Havens
546 Havenstock River Band
547 Bess Hawes
548 Butch Hawes
549 Ginny Hawker
550 John Hayday
551 Skip Haynes
552 Tom & Sandy Hayward
553 Haywire Mac
554 Joe Heany
555 Gordon Heath
556 Max Heilbronner
557 Freddie Hellerman
558 Jim Helms
559 Wade Hemsworth
560 Denny Henderson
561 Davey Hendricks
562 John Hendricks
563 Stewart Hendrickson
564 Al Hendrikson
565 Jimi Hendrix
566 Kevin Henry
567 Judy Henske
568 John Herald Band
569 Johnny Herald & the Greenbriar Boys
570 Gustie Hervey
571 Claire Hess
572 Carolyn Hester
573 The Highwaymen
574 Bill Higley
575 Greg Hildebrand
576 Vankleek Hill
577 Joanne Hindley-Smith (now Joanne Crabtree)
578 Jeff Hindman
579 Steve Hinds
580 Sam Hinton
581 Bob Hipkens
582 George Hirsch
583 Moe Hirsch
584 Bob Hoban
585 Eleanor (Walden) Hoffman
586 Mitch Holder
587 Lori Holland
588 Buddy Holly
589 Ed Holstein
590 Fred Holstein
591 Tim Holt
592 Will Holt
593 Alec Hood
594 John Lee Hooker
595 Ken Hoopes
596 Doc Hopkins
597 Johnny Horton
598 Miles Horton
599 Zylphia Horton
600 Son House
601 Cisco Houston
602 John Houston
603 Sonny Houston
604 Ray Wylie Hubbard
605 Baldemar Huerta
606 John Hughes
607 Lynn Hughes
608 Blair Hull
609 Hunker Hill String Band
610 Brooksie Hunnicutt
611 Mad Michael Hunt
612 Carol Hunter
613 Rob Hunter
614 Mike Hurst
615 Mississippi John Hurt
616 The Immigrants
617 Andy Irvine
618 John Isherwood
619 Chuck Israels
620 Burl Ives
621 Harry Jackson
622 Pete Jacobs
623 Herb Jaeger
624 Joe Jaffe
625 Jimmy James
626 Joyce James
627 Karen James
628 Skip James
629 Stan James
630 Bert Jansch
631 Micheal Janusz
632 Ella Jenkins
633 Paul Jeremia
634 John Jeremiah
635 Jim & Jesse
636 Flaco Jimenez
637 Joe & Eddie
638 Country Joe
639 Big John
640 Bullwhip John
641 Big Johns
642 Joe Henry Johnson
643 Robert Johnson
644 Ted Johnson
645 Dynamite Annie Johnston
646 Bob Jones
647 David Jones
648 R. David Jones
649 Ruth Jones
650 Wild Bill Jones
651 Mike Jordan
652 The Journeymen
653 John Hammond Jr
654 Bride Judy
655 Uncle Junior
656 Jeff Kagel
657 Si Kahn
658 Danny Kalb
659 Johnny Kalb
660 John Kalish
661 Dodi Kallick
662 Kathy Kallick
663 Ed Kane
664 Paul Kaplan
665 Lucy Kaplansky
666 Kathy & Carol
667 Bob Kaufman
668 Carol Kaye
669 Eric Kaz
670 Michael Kaz
671 Larry Keane
672 Chris Kearney
673 Mike Kellen
674 Dave Kelly
675 Joanne Kelly
676 Luke Kelly
677 Elliot Kenin
678 Betsy & Seamus Kennedy
679 Norman Kennedy
680 Elliot Kennin
681 Dave Kenningham
682 Dave Kennington
683 Barney Kessel
684 Ron Kickasola
685 Coventry Kids
686 Lou Killen
687 Milan Kimlicka
688 Lisa Kindred
689 Tom Kines
690 Bill King
691 Charlie King
692 Maggie King
693 Nancy King
694 Kingston Trio
695 John Kirkpatrick
696 Rev. Frederick D. Kirkpatrick
697 Indian Kirtan
698 Cecilia Kirtland
699 Eartha Kitt
700 Joe Klee
701 Janet Klimoski
702 Borden Klotweiller
703 Elizabeth Knight
704 Doc Knutson
705 Tex Koenig
706 Alexis Koerner
707 Spider John Koerner
708 Sylvia Kolb
709 Bonnie Koloc
710 Al Kooper
711 Alex Korner
712 Barry Kornfeld
713 Kossoy Sisters (identical twins Irene and Ellen)
714 Leo Kotke

715 Earnie Kovaks
716 Bernie Krause
717 Adam Kreiswirth
718 Leonard Krohn
719 Karen Kruse
720 Al Kuda/Casey/Cooper
721 Tuli Kupferberg
722 Jim Kweskin Jug Band
723 Peter LaFarge
724 Seth Lakeman
725 Steve Lalor
726 Dick Landberg
727 Myrna Lande
728 Jason Lang
729 Penny Lang
730 Scott Lang
731 Bruce Langehorn
732 Paul Langille
733 John Langstaff
734 Peter Langston
735 Willem Lankhourst
736 Gary Lapow
737 Terrea Lea
738 Donal Leace
739 Andy Leader
740 Janet Leader
741 Arieh Lebowitz
742 Perry Lederman
743 Bill Lee
744 Katie Lee
745 Kui Lee
746 Rick & Lorraine Lee
747 Spike Lee
748 Tom Lee
749 Mac Leech
750 Perte Van Leeuwen
751 Mike Leib
752 Leonda
753 Julius Lester
754 Perry Letterman
755 Neil LeVang
756 Dean Levitt
757 Jeannie Lewis
758 Jerry Lee Lewis
759 Ernie Lieberman (aka Ernie Sheldon)
760 Gordon Lightfoot
761 Bob Lind
762 Dave Lindley
763 Manse Lipscomb
764 Barry Lister
765 Marie Little
766 Bill & Livia
767 Chris Lloyd
768 Gerry Lockran
769 Paul Lolax
770 Alan Lomax
771 John Lomax
772 Johnny Long
773 Professor Longhair
774 Gilles Losier
775 John D. Loudermilk
776 Jubilee Lovelies
777 Ëd Lover
778 Lyle Lovett
779 Jez Lowe
780 Mundell Lowe
781 Rex Bob Lowenstein
782 Gilles Lozier
783 Felix Lupus
784 Bob Lusk
785 Roger Luzwick
786 Mel Lyman
787 Pat Lynch
788 Ken Lyon
789 Bill Lyons
790 Haywire Mac
791 Margaret MacArthur
792 The MacCalmans
793 Ewan MacColl
794 Jimmy MacDonald
795 Spanky MacFarlane
796 Kirk MacGeachy
797 Scott MacKenzie
798 Raun MacKinnan
799 Raun MacKinnon
800 Paul MacNeil
801 Ewan MacVicar
802 Bill Madison
803 Taj Mahal
804 Molly Malarkey
805 Bob Malenky
806 Malka & Yoso
807 Molly Malone
808 Manchild
809 Steve Mandel
810 Steve Mann
811 Eejim Manning
812 Linda Manzer
813 Jo Mapes
814 Marais & Miranda
815 Joseph Marais
816 Yvonne Marais
817 Bob March
818 Diana Marcovitz
819 Ernie Marrs
820 Phil Marsh
821 Peter Marston
822 Sue Martin (or Robbins)
823 Bob Martin
824 Marty Martin
825 Vince Martin
826 Guest Mary
827 Ashton Mashers
828 Bert Mason
829 Bob Mason
830 Chuck Massey
831 Ric Masten
832 Tom Mayes
833 Judy Mayhan
834 Pete Maynard
835 Bob McCarthy
836 Jim McCarthy
837 Mary McCaslin
838 Deborah McColl
839 Ed McCurdy
840 John McCutcheon
841 Carolyn McDade,
842 John McEuen
843 Kate & Anna McGarrigle
844 Matt McGinn
845 Jim McGrath
846 "Round Mound of Renown" Pat McGuinn
847 Roger (Jimmy) McGuinn
848 Barry McGuire
849 Ellen McIlwaine
850 Fran McKendree
851 Joe & Antoinette McKenna
852 Raun McKinnan
853 Will McLain
854 Murray McLaughlin
855 James McMurtry
856 Paul McNeil
857 Paul McNeill
858 Joe Meek
859 John Meeks
860 Molly Meisenheimer
861 Tom Meisenheimer
862 Mike Melford
863 Lee Menconi
864 Jerry Merrick
865 Jaime Michaels
866 Kent Michaels
867 Nancy Michaels
868 Jerry Middaugh
869 Micheal Miles
870 Reggie Miles
871 Adam Miller
872 Frank Miller
873 Mickey Miller
874 Mike Miller
875 Alan Mills
876 Paul Mills
877 Don Minke
878 New Christy Minstrels
879 Chad Mitchell Trio
880 Chuck Mitchell
881 Howie Mitchell
882 Joni Mitchell
883 Chuck Mitman
884 Modern Folk Quartet
885 Sue Molen
886 Maggie Molosso
887 Chris Montez
888 Little Brother Montgomery
889 Giovanni Batista Montini
890 Carlos Montoya
891 Moondanse Trio
892 Brian Mooney
893 Christy Moore
894 Lesley Moore
895 Sean Moore
896 Sonny Moore
897 Lou Morell
898 Bruce Morganheim
899 Donald Mork
900 Peter Mork
901 Seraffyn Mörk
902 Artus Moser
903 Bill Moss
904 Buddy Moss
905 Mickie Most
906 Cat Mother
907 Eddie Motteau
908 Johnny Moynihan
909 Martin Mull
910 Barney Munger
911 Bruce Murdoch
912 Noel Murphy
913 Jerry Murray
914 Charlie Musselwhite
915 The Sorry Muthas
916 Ron & Nama
917 Fred Neil
918 Bob Nelson
919 Margaret Nelson
920 Mike Nelson
921 Pat Nelson
922 Tracy Nelson
923 New Bad Trio
924 Bob Newhart
925 Penny Nichols
926 Lea Nicholson
927 Simon Nicol
928 Jack Nissenson
929 Rab Noakes
930 Charley Noble
931 Don Normark
932 Ron Norris
933 Suzie Norris
934 Laura Nyro
935 Joan O'Bryant
936 Joanie O'Bryant
937 Mary O'Hara
938 Charles O'Hegarty
939 Phil Ochs
940 Odetta
941 Pierre Odier
942 Milt Okun
943 Jane Olian
944 Sweet Billy Olsen
945 Jeff Olswang
946 Ari Onasis
947 Josh Onderisin
948 Mike Orlen
949 Susan Osborne
950 Randy Otoole
951 Marty Owens
952 Jackie Pack
953 Jim Page
954 Gabby Pahinui
955 Lee Siu Pak
956 Tom Paley
957 Red Parham
958 Fess Parker
959 Roy Parker
960 Dean Parks
961 Nick Parry-Jones
962 Nick Parry
963 Verne Partlow
964 Len Partridge
965 Sandy Paton
966 Young Paulie
967 Pat Paulsen
968 Tom Paxton
969 Lee Payant
970 Drew Payton
971 Don Peake
972 Ken Pearlman
973 Gregory Peck
974 Norm Pederson
975 "Crazy" George Pegram
976 Ken Penney
977 Cherry People
978 Jesus Perez
979 Brock Peters
980 Faith Petric
981 The PH Phactor
982 The Pheonix Singers
983 Bruce Utah Phillips
984 Nick Pickett
985 Robert Pierpont
986 John Pilla
987 Sandy Pinckney
988 Turkey Pluckers
989 Pozo-Seco Singers
990 Art Podell
991 Ray Pohlman
992 Dave "Buck" Polley
993 Stone Ponies
994 Mike Porco
995 Jolly Porter
996 Shelly Posen
997 Jim Post
998 Paul Potash
999 Phil Poth
1000 Greg Prestipino
1001 Paul Prestipino
1002 Joanie Preston
1003 Bill Priest
1004 Dave Prine
1005 John Prine
1006 Professor Washboard
1007 Nancy Quensé
1008 Frank Quinn
1009 Pete Quinn
1010 Dave "Maverick Child" Rae
1011 Ethel Raim
1012 Chick Raines
1013 Sandy Rainey
1014 Roughstone Ramblers
1015 Obray Ramsey
1016 Stu "Darsono" Ramsey
1017 Willis Alan Ramsey
1018 Jerry Rasmussen
1019 Jerry Rau
1020 Chris Rawlings
1021 Dave "Missing Keys" Ray
1022 Dave "Snaker" Ray
1023 Arkansas Red
1024 Paul Reed
1025 Susan Reed
1026 Mike Reedy
1027 Mike Regenstreif
1028 Jon Rennard
1029 Don Reno
1030 The Reprobates
1031 Malvina Reynolds
1032 Nick Reynolds
1033 Randy Rice
1034 Philadelphia Jerry Ricks
1035 Almeda Riddle
1036 Easy Riders
1037 Jim Ringer
1038 Ralph Rinzler
1039 Paul Rishell
1040 B.Buck Ritchie
1041 Edna Ritchie
1042 Fiona Ritchie
1043 Jean Ritchie
1044 Lee Ritenour
1045 Pearl River
1046 Tony Rizzi
1047 Margret Roadknight
1048 Gil Robbins
1049 Tim Robbins
1050 Billy Roberts
1051 Bobby Roberts
1052 Brian Roberts
1053 Chick Roberts
1054 Howard Roberts
1055 Pete Roberts
1056 Robin Roberts
1057 Carol Robertson
1058 Texas Jim Robertson
1059 Walt Robertson
1060 Carol Robinson
1061 Earl Robinson
1062 Frank Robinson
1063 Jim Roche
1064 Malcolm Rockwell
1065 Rocky Rockwood
1066 Judy Roderick
1067 Jimmy Rodgers
1068 Juan Rodriguez
1069 Gamble Rogers
1070 Grant Rogers
1071 Kenny Rogers

1072 Sally Rogers
1073 Ania Romaine
1074 Hugh Romney
1075 Dave Van Ronk
1076 Jim Rooney
1077 Biff Rose
1078 Penny Rose
1079 Tim Rose
1080 Wayne Rose
1081 Art Rosenbaum
1082 Jay Rosenberg
1083 Stuart Rosenberg
1084 Nancy Rosenthal (Nancy Michaels) (Molly Malone)
1085 Dick Rosmini
1086 Bill Ross
1087 Mark Ross
1088 David Lee Roth
1089 Manny Roth
1090 Paul Rothchild
1091 Alan Rotman
1092 Holy Modal Rounders
1093 David Rovics
1094 Peter Rowan
1095 Van Rozay
1096 Manny Rubin
1097 Ruth Rubin
1098 Rhonda Rucker
1099 Rob Rucker
1100 Rambling Sid Rumpo
1101 Blues Run
1102 Ed Rush
1103 Tom Rush
1104 Susan Ruskin
1105 Mike Russo
1106 Lee Ruth
1107 Bob Ruzicka
1108 Bob Ryszkiewicz
1109 Randy Sabien
1110 Joe Sage
1111 Buffy Saint-Marie
1112 Tony & Irene Saletan
1113 Beverlie Salmon
1114 Alex Salowich
1115 Betty Sanders
1116 Richard Sasno
1117 Micheal Saul
1118 Maggie Savage
1119 Sonja Savig
1120 Will Scarlett
1121 Norman Schell
1122 Martha Schlamme
1123 Eric von Schmidt
1124 Ric Von Schmidt
1125 Rick von Schmidt
1126 Helen Schneyer
1127 Eric Schoenberg
1128 Mary Schuler
1129 Tony Schwartz
1130 Colin Scott
1131 Molly Scott
1132 Dave Sears
1133 John Sebastian
1134 Charles Seeger
1135 Mike Seeger
1136 Nicky Seeger
1137 Peggy Seeger
1138 Pete Seeger
1139 Mike Spoons Seeley
1140 Paul Seibel
1141 Brother John Sellers
1142 Liz (Corrigan) Seneff
1143 Mike Settle
1144 The Shades
1145 Shaggis
1146 Paul Shakespeare
1147 Pete Shakespeare
1148 Shaky Deal Jug Band
1149 The Shames
1150 The Dirty Shames
1151 The Low Down Dirty Shames
1152 Bob Shane
1153 Anna Shannon
1154 Sea Shanties
1155 Anita Shear
1156 Louie Shelton
1157 Richmond Sheppard
1158 Sheriff Tex and his Down Home Rangers
1159 Helen Shneyer
1160 Paul Siebel
1161 Effie Siegerman
1162 Carl Sievert
1163 Marc Silber
1164 Judee Sill
1165 Silverman
1166 Carly Simon
1167 Paul Simon
1168 Nina Simone
1169 Fiona Simpson
1170 John Singleton
1171 Kossoy Sisters
1172 Simon Sisters
1173 Barry Skinner
1174 Patrick Sky
1175 White Sky
1176 Copperfield Skye
1177 Mike Slawson
1178 Grace Slick
1179 Memphis Slim
1180 Mike Slosson
1181 Jay Small
1182 Cedric Smith
1183 Daniel Smith
1184 Janet Smith
1185 Joanne Hindley Smith
1186 Mary Smith
1187 Michael Smith
1188 Oriel Smith
1189 Osborne Smith
1190 Pete Smith
1191 Tony Smith
1192 Vic Smith
1193 Chris Smither
1194 Smothers Brothers
1195 Kit Snow
1196 Paul Snow
1197 Elmer Snowden
1198 Leni Ashmore Sorensen
1199 Larry Sparks
1200 Randy Sparks
1201 Dave Spence
1202 Joseph Spence
1203 Mark Spoelstra
1204 Mark Spolestra
1205 Danny Spooner
1206 Joan Sprung
1207 Roger Sprung
1208 Orange Squeezers
1209 Californians Ted Staak
1210 Bill Staines
1211 Pete Stampfel
1212 Peter Stampfel
1213 Jack Stanesco
1214 Dayle Stanley
1215 Doc Stanley
1216 Fred Starner
1217 Flying Stars
1218 Pemmican Stash
1219 Andy Statman
1220 John Stauber
1221 Jody Stecher
1222 Bill Steele
1223 Phil Steele
1224 Pete Stein
1225 Jim Stevens
1226 Alice Stewart
1227 Andy Stewart
1228 Doug Stewart
1229 John Stewart
1230 Judy Stine
1231 Howard Stith
1232 Poor Howard Stith
1233 Pete Stone
1234 Rachel Stone
1235 The Stones
1236 Mel Storch
1237 Dwain Story
1238 Win Strake
1239 Billy Strange
1240 Michael Strange
1241 Wafaring Strangers
1242 Alice Stuart
1243 Steve Suffet
1244 Jennifer Sullivan
1245 Marc Sullivan
1246 Terry Sullivan
1247 Bill Swafford
1248 John Swingle
1249 Keith Sykes
1250 Hugh Syme
1251 Steve "Richmond" Talbot
1252 T.A. Talbott
1253 The Talismen (Sam Cancilla and Michael Smith)
1254 Tall Timber Boys
1255 Gene Tambour
1256 Chaim Tannenbaum
1257 Bob Tanner
1258 Brad Tate
1259 Ray Tate
1260 Cyril Tawney
1261 James Taylor
1262 Jeremy Taylor
1263 Livingston Taylor
1264 Tommy Tedesco
1265 Sonny Terry
1266 Toots Thielemans
1267 Art Thieme
1268 Dave Thomas
1269 Ian Thomas
1270 Eric Thompson
1271 Richard Thompson
1272 Knob Lick Upper Ten Thousand
1273 The Shawnee Three
1274 Old Timey Wool Thumpers
1275 Melody Tickell
1276 Good Times
1277 John Timmons
1278 Blind Bill Todd
1279 Joan Toliver
1280 Jon Toly
1281 Two Tones
1282 Fred Torak
1283 Peter Tork
1284 John Townley
1285 Young Tradition
1286 Art Traum
1287 Artie Traum
1288 Happy Traum
1289 Mary Travers
1290 Ed Trickett
1291 Stanley Triggs
1292 Jimmy Triplett
1293 Stanley Tripp
1294 Tony Trischka
1295 The Jug Trust
1296 Harry Tufts
1297 Gil Turner
1298 Rick Turner
1299 Wayne Tuttle
1300 Ian Tyson
1301 Ken Ulancy
1302 Ivan Ulz
1303 Jay Unger
1304 Steve Unger
1305 "Sonny" Vale
1306 Bill Vanaver
1307 John Vandiver
1308 Larry Vanover
1309 Al Vescovo
1310 Max Villadorata
1311 Bob Vincent
1312 Andy Vine
1313 Al Viola
1314 Albion Do Wa
1315 Woody Wachtel
1316 Stephen Wade
1317 Brian Wadey
1318 Terry Wadsworth
1319 Margaret Wagner
1320 Loudoun Wainwright
1321 Tom Waits
1322 Lance Wakely (Dr. Harmonica)
1323 Jerry Jeff Walker
1324 Peter Walker
1325 Andy Wallice
1326 Jerry Walter
1327 Johnny Ward
1328 Wilbur Ware
1329 Frank Warner
1330 Jeff Warner
1331 Jackie Washington
1332 Doc Watson
1333 Fox Watson
1334 Old Tom The Weaver
1335 Chick Webb
1336 Laura Weber
1337 Steve Weber
1338 Deena Webster
1339 Eric Weisberg
1340 Grant Weisbrot
1341 Dick Weisman
1342 John Weiss
1343 Eric Weissberg
1344 Dick Weissman
1345 Fred Weisz
1346 Gillian Welch
1347 Jenny Vincent Wells
1348 Harry & Jeannie West
1349 Hedy West
1350 Jeannie West
1351 Laura Wetzler
1352 Terry Whalen
1353 Driving Wheel
1354 Terry Whelan
1355 David Whiffen
1356 Whiskeyhill Singers (Cyrus Faryar, Dave Guard, Buck Wheat and Judy Henske)
1357 Penny Whistle
1358 Bob White
1359 Gary White
1360 Josh White
1361 Wade White
1362 Rick Whitelaw
1363 Ray Whitley
1364 George Wien
1365 Dave Wiffen
1366 David Wiffen
1367 Deeanne Wiggins
1368 Major Wiley
1369 Jim Wilhelm
1370 Big Joe Williams
1371 Don Williams
1372 Lucinda Williams
1373 Mason Williams
1374 Sir George Williams
1375 Vivian Williams
1376 David Williamson
1377 Colin Wilson
1378 Meridith Wilson
1379 Rob And Marion Wilson
1380 Stan Wilson
1381 Tyler Wilson
1382 Jesse Winchester
1383 High Winds
1384 The Four Winds
1385 John Winn
1386 Martin Winsor
1387 Winnie Winston
1388 Cal Winzey
1389 Elise Witt
1390 Larry Wolf
1391 Hally Wood
1392 Hally Stepherson Wood
1393 Heather Wood
1394 Royston Wood
1395 Crown Woods
1396 Pine Woods
1397 Stuart Wooley
1398 Brenda Wooton
1399 Nimrod Workman
1400 Arthur Wright
1401 Charles Wright
1402 Hal Wylie
1403 Zally Yanovsky
1404 Glen Yarborough
1405 Bob Yellin
1406 Gene Yellin
1407 Jerry Yester
1408 The Yetties
1409 York County Boys
1410 Izzy Young
1411 Jesse Colin Young
1412 Murray Young
1413 Steve Young
1414 Oranim (Guela Gill) Zabar
1415 Bob Zaidman
1416 Townes Van Zandt
1417 Towndes Van Zant
1418 Henry Zapotnik
1419 Frank Zappa
1420 Dave Zeitlin
1421 Patty Zeitlin
1422 Alexandre Zelkine
1423 Daniel Zemachson
1424 Bob Zentz
1425 Al Zheimer
1426 Judith Zweiman

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 07:46 AM

Wow BK, I tip my hat to you. How the heck did you do that? Don't tell me it was the long way.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Beer
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 08:38 AM

Wow! is right Bobad. Great work BK.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 04:47 PM

Bobad sez:"How the heck did you do that?"
Ya gotta have a really good text editor that facilitates search and replace operations using grep pattern matching.
Essentially, the process was:

1. find all sequences of two or more capitalized words
   
2. list these sequences, discarding all the other text
   
3. sort the list and eliminate duplicates
   
4. manually delete each item that doesn't look like a name
   
5. arrange each name into [lastname, othernames] format
   
6. sort by lastname
   
7. rearrange names back to original format

Everything but step 4. is readily done by search and replace operations

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,bankley
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 05:12 PM

still impressive..... thanx...

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 05:52 PM

You lost me at "grep pattern matching" but, allow me to reiterate, well done.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 14 Dec 08 - 08:13 PM

Will this thread ever reach 1,000 posts? At one time I would have said no way, but now it looks like a slam dunk. So let me help the process along by adding the name Jackie Gibson Alper, who was just Jackie Gibson until she married Joe Alper. She passed away in 2007. Here's a link to her Mudcat obit thread.

Also, the latest compilation has some obvious duplications. Hally Woody and Hally Stephenson Wood are one and the same. So are Townes Van Zandt and Towndes Van Zant, as are Howard Stith and Poor Howard Stith. There are others that are not so obvious. For example, Irene of Tony & Irene Saletan is the same person as Irene Kossoy of the Kossoy Sisters (who appear as a group twice, once under K and once under S).

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 03:37 AM

Well, thank goodness there are eagle-eyed 'Catters to catch these unwanted duplications. eh?
'Course, including "Jackie Gibson Alper" with "Jackie Gibson" is kinda like having both "Hally Wood" and "Hally Stephenson Wood"
but I'm just sayin', to help the process along.

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 08:22 AM

Mea culpa! I made the same error myself that I pointed out. I don't know how I missed Jackie Gibson's name, but I did. Oh, well, just let me say that I'm glad to see she had already been mentioned, and that it's worth pointing out that she used the last name Alper from the time of her marriage until she passed away.

Onward to 1,000!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 09:22 AM

That list is amazing and it's great to have, makes things SO much easier. Thank you for all the hard work.

Of course, all we need to have now is links to any artists on that list who have web sites. LOL - I can hear BK groaning from here. :0)

Hey, has anyone noticed that Bruce Murdoch has come up as the US/Canada emergency number - 911 - which, with him being a volunteer firefighter, alongside being a great musician, has to be kinda fitting.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Art Thieme
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 02:43 PM

BKLick is the one who made my folk scene photos web presence, ART'S
PLACE, possible. I am amazed at his cyber talents, and thankful for his friendship.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 02:53 PM

ART'S PLACE

Lovely photos, Art.

:0)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 03:28 PM

Try this one: Art's Place

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Dec 08 - 03:41 PM

Ooh, sorry BK, that was my fault, I didn't check the link.

Thank you, again.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Anne (Hershoran) Garber
Date: 03 Jan 09 - 04:29 PM

Yes, I knew the Dirty Shames. I was good friends with Amos Garrett and he and his brother Paul taught me how to fly-fish on long island sound when Paul came down to NYC from Toronto to visit in 1967. Carol I met in 1962 through an ad-guy friend of Ian Tyson's name Ed "Yugi" Cowan, when Cowan hosted Peter, Paul and Mary at an after-concert party at his place. Carol Robertson was also the Wayne and Schuster commedienne who was famous for the "Julie, don't go" line in their skit of Julius Caesar. Jim I knew as a great friend of Patty McLauchlan (and who was solely responsible for my going into Chinese language studies at U of T), and I knew Chick Roberts, who was a very sweet guy. I did a story on the Dirty Shames in 1966 -- a story that also featured the Buffalo Spingfield and some other "new" Canadian bands -- that ran in 1967 under the byline (stolen!) of then-entertainment-editor Ralph Thomas in the Toronto Star. I've meant to pull my story out of the Star's archives for years. Anyone who finds it, please send it to me at [e-mail], K? At least the Star paid my phone bills for the story! And the biggest thrill aspect of researchng and writing it was getting to talk at length to my long-time print-hero, Scott Young, who was Neil's dad. I saw Scott in 1987 when he was on a book tour to promote his book about Neil AND HE REMEMBERED ME. Apparently, he had asked me "is my boy going to make it?" and I had said: "Oh yes! He's going to be a STAR!" And Mr Y never forgot it! The end.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Anne Garber
Date: 03 Jan 09 - 04:35 PM

PS I was the editor of Toronto's "HOOT" magazine 1966-1968 and as such remember a few names and faces of the '60s folk scene. Send notes to [e-mail] and I'll send any info I still have. Also, I'm still in touch with the former Lucy Brown (Karwoski) with whom I worked for show business manager Herbert S. Gart in New York. He managed some Canadian acts. And I was friendly with Mary Martin -- who in 1967 had just quit working for Albert Grossman to go out on her own -- she represented (among other acts) Leonard Cohen and other folk acts out of Canada and Toronto. Please put "Toronto Folk" into your subject line, so I won't discard messages.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 09 - 05:48 PM

By the way, if the John Timmons on one of the big, sort of all-inclusive lists wa-a-a-a-a-ay up above is the same John Timmons I know, he wasn't a singer. He was the owner and operator of "Pamir House," a coffeehouse on University Way in Seattle, one door up from the northwest corner of University Way N. E. and N. E. 41st Street.

He employed a lot of folk singers, and it was a good place to sing. He usually had two or three, sometimes four singers up front at any given time. There was hardly any point in planning sets. We just sort of "winged it," swapping songs, comments, jokes, and more songs. It was like a party, and the audiences loved it. A fun place to sing. And John paid us!

Lot's of fledgeling singers got their start there.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 03 Jan 09 - 09:59 PM

Don, here's where John Timmons was mentioned.
(Wait for the page to scroll down to Doc Knutson's post.)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,kittycat
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 01:12 PM

Does anyone know what happened to Peter Debin? He is listed as # 131 in one list and # 309 in another. He was a contemporary of Justin Devereaux, Peter Greenberg, and Erik Frandsen. Heard that he died on May 16, 2003, and want to find out if this is true and, if so, how. Please help if you can.

kc

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 02:28 PM

"Peter Debin (guitarist and folk dancer, later moved to Massachusetts and died of a stroke)"
   -- from this post

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 09 - 03:09 PM

Does anyone remember the swan folk club wadebridge cornwall uk in the 60s?
Love to hear some of the old names

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Star Pahl
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 02:28 PM

Hello All,

I am looking for any information on Elizabeth Knight. I can not find anything on her. Please, please if you could point me in the right direction..I would be very thankful.

Star

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 02:54 PM

BK Lick, your post of 18 Feb 08 - 03:49 a.m. is a monumental job, listing 1,319 names, presumably of "little known 60's folk singers," but a fair number of names that got caught in your net are not singers, they are people who were associated with folk music in one way or the other, such as John Timmons, who didn't sing, but ran a coffeehouse.

It would probably be a real chore to separate those folks from the singers. But I would say a lot of them deserve honorable mention for "services rendered"—such as Elmar Lanczos (pronounced "LAWN-shoss" – I'm probably one of the few people who knows how to spell his name) who, during the late 1950s and through the 1960s, threw his house open almost every weekend when singers wanted to get together in someone's living room for a song fest. Elmar couldn't sing for sour apples and he knew his limitations, but he enjoyed folk music, and he had a massive collection of folk records which many of us learned songs.

Elmar is gone now, but he's probably hosting a song fest in the Great Beyond.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 29 Jan 09 - 10:33 PM

As I wrote in that post,

"A year ago I posted a list of 585 names which had so far been mentioned in this thread. Repeating the effort,
I've now extracted the following list of 1,319 names. Probably quite a few of them don't really belong in the list,
but I think I've caught most of the ones that do."

By the way, on 14 Dec 08 I updated the compilation of "names mentioned in this thread" (not of singers) adding 107 names.

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers; Mike Fairbanks
From: GUEST,fredvainas
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 10:41 PM

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Mike Fairbanks? Last I knew, he was in western Mass., in the Springfield area. This was around 1970.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Leadbelly
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 01:23 PM

It's great to see that Howard Stith from NH (Poor Howard) successfully managed to have a come-back.
I met him in the '60s. That's why I'm happy he did it again! Go on like this, my dear friend!
Manfred

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Feb 09 - 01:21 PM

Bill Destler, mentioned here earlier as Provost of U of Maryland, is now President of Rochester Institute of Technology. He will be appearing as the opening act this Saturday night for Sally Rogers and Howie Bursen in Rochester, NY for the Golden Link Folk Singing Society (www.goldenlink.org). A rare appearance indeed!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Virginia
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 09:55 AM

What ever happened to The Children of Paradise? Hope they will all come together again.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Steven Noel Bolstad
Date: 05 Mar 09 - 12:11 AM

I just joined because I was Googling for my old friend Tom Meisenheimer.
It was difficult to find him on Google, but I did see the name Molly Meisenheimer.
I knew her as a baby - she's Tom's daughter.
She was posting a comment about her father and unknown 60's folksingers.
BINGO.
Still, I have not been able to find his name yet and there was no way to reach Molly to ask further.
The Mudcat Cafe looked pretty cool, so I joined.
I am not a player, but I am a listener so this all looks like fun and sourcing combined.

YET, Still I wish to connect to Tom. Can anyone help?

Steven Bolstad
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 05 Mar 09 - 04:06 AM

Welcome Steven --

Here's the post from Molly about her Dad click me.
(Wait a bit for the page to scroll down to 30 Oct 08.)

Click the PM link next to her name to send her a private message.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 05 Mar 09 - 04:31 AM

Sorry, that's not gonna do any good cuz Molly posted as a guest.
Howsomever, a Google search for "Molly Meisenheimer" turns up quite a
few hits like this one which have a contact link.
Also, you can find her on FaceBook here.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 08 Mar 09 - 12:13 AM

Greetings:

Today was a homecoming of sorts. I was the opening performer in the first annual Kew Gardens Music Festival, held in what was once known as the Interlude. See my posting from January 6, 2007, for an explanation of the role the Interlude played in the New York folk scene of the 1960s.

Anyway, the place is now called the Bliss Gourmet Cafe, but the interior is pretty much as it was back then, but with a slightly larger counter and a much larger variety of food served. The small stage is gone, but the performances take place from the same southwest corner of the room where it once stood. The bathroom is entirely unchanged.

The house was packed to capacity, which means about 50 patrons. But that came as no surprise, since admission was free. Most of the audience was there to hear their favorite local songwriters, but instead of doing any of my own songs, I sang instead three that I regularly performed at the Interlude from 1963 to 1965: Woody Guthrie's Hard Traveling, the traditional Worried Man Blues, and Jesse Fuller's San Francisco Bay Blues.

Those proved to be the right choices, since I got a more enthusiastic reception that I ever got in the old days. I wish to believe it's because it's because I've developed a modicum of musicianship and showmanship since then. On the other hand, maybe they were just applauding because this old gray haired man was making a bloody fool of himself on stage. The festival organizer, however gave me the thumbs up sign and wants me back for next year. So maybe I really have picked up a rick of two in the past 45 years.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 08:31 PM

This video shows me as the opening performer at the Kew Gardens Music Festival this past Saturday, right after the MC does the welcoming. I hope you enjoy my brief history of the Interlude Cafe.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 10 Mar 09 - 09:11 PM

I remember going to the Interlude in the '60's, '65 maybe, to hear
Jesse Colin Young and David Blue, although I think he was still working as David Cohen back then.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 07:25 AM

Mark,

Yes, you are right. He was still David Cohen when I saw him at the Interlude around the same time, maybe 1964 or 1965.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 09:51 AM

We were probably at the same show.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Diane Gold
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 11:57 AM

The Interlude was much more than a place for folk music. It was a corner of bohemia in an otherwise very conservative part of a very conservative borough. The Interlude was a place where you went to drink espresso coffee, play chess, read European newspapers, hear poetry readings, and discuss radical ideas in politics, literature, art, religion, psychology, etc. And it was one of the few places anywhere that an interracial couple would feel welcome and not subject to a million staring eyes.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Michael S
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 12:35 PM

Guest, Virginia, up above, asked about Children of Paradise. The original version of this band included the well-known Traum Brothers who, individually and together, have made quite a few recordings. Artie died a few years ago. Happy is alive and well and remains a significant player in the folk community. Many here know his business, Homespun music instruction.

Marc Silber can be found here. I don't know if the contact info is current.

The final member was Eric Kaz, who has achieved a fair amount of commercial songwriting success.

Michael Scully
Austin

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: C. Ham
Date: 11 Mar 09 - 05:16 PM

Artie Traum just died in 2008.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 14 Apr 09 - 02:19 AM

Well golly...people just keep passin'-on all the time now, don't they?...yeah, they do...Mike McQueen, owner of Mary-Margaret McDog and other comedy canines...Citizen Kafka (Richie Shulberg), leader of the Wretched Refuse String Band, Citizen Kafka and his Orchestra and other fine musical organizations...Jesus H. Christ on a Rubber Crutch, it's just Not Fair, Goddammit!!!...well, of course it is, isn't it?...way of the world and all that...God Bless 'em All!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: DannyC
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 11:03 AM

Jim McGrath (mentioned in Aug, 2006 of this thread) is here in KY The Bluegrass for a visit. (Okay, we're gonna back a few horses, like the old days... What of it?) His travelling companion was kind enough to show me a couple of performing pics from a place called "The Hunt Cup" in Newport, RI (USA) in 1962.

She's got a couple of nice shots of him fresh our of the American Navy singing and accompanying himself on guitar (one with a sporty madras jacket). He states that the $8.00 per night earnings from the gig comprised a nice upgrade from the $44 every-two-weeks that The Navy had been paying... not to mention a few drinks and the attention of some fine and lovely company.

He's #845 in the complilation put together by BK Lick.

1962.... Damn... That's getting to be a little while ago, isn't it?

Sing-song tonight -- a few quiet tunes -- a glass or two -- here's to a half-century ago.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 18 Apr 09 - 01:21 PM

Anyone remember 'Arky's Toast' , a three piece male harmony group. I think they were policemen by day.London area. What was the actual Toast ftom which they took their name?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: seligmanson
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 02:36 PM

Here are some names I'd like to hear about from my time on the London folk-scene of the 60's. Redd Sullivan, a big physical performer with expressive hands and a loud, rich voice beautifully-suited to the music-hall songs he sang (I learned 'I Don't Know No-One What Don't Want No Nine-Inch Nails' from him); John Foreman, also a performer of music-hall songs, an authority in his field, just as effective as Redd, though less demonstrative; and Jack King, who ran the folk-club at Cecil Sharp House (yes, people, there was one once, before the EFDSS decided that selling things should take priority over the actual performing of music); he was, along with his wife (I remember her name as being Jean, but I may be wrong; if so, I apologise), a good performer, a fine organiser, and a warm and witty MC: he made that club one of the best in the country, and even now I remember it with an affection I have for no other club, not the Singer's Club, not Bunjie's, not the Troubador, not the Fox in Islington, not the London Folk Centre, all great clubs in their way, but none as straightforwardly enjoyable as Jack King's. Is there any-one out there who can give me news of the King family, and of Paul Thompson, the other resident there? Come to think of it, who else remembers Karl Dallas's London Folk Centre, a wonderfully worth-while experiment which in its short life produced some great events and provoked some superb performances (and I met my first girl-friend there. Hello Rosemary).

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: DannyC
Date: 21 Apr 09 - 06:59 PM

Lovely weekend ...   must've sung a hundred songs... McGrath spinning yarns of hopping off his square-rigged brig in Liverpool - thirsty - and finding the pubs closed for holy hour... then finding a place called "The Chains Locker" (sp?) and having some fellow named Hugill inquiring about the sailing ship from whence he had just disembarked... etc. etc.

I hadn't had a song with Jimmy in 23 years, and we launched 'em like we'd never missed a beat... Jim McGrath - 1962

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers--Mel Lyman's ex
From: GUEST,Felicia
Date: 08 May 09 - 01:54 AM

Hi,
In 1967 I was in a household with a young woman who had fled Mel Lyman, named Nina, with short dark hair. I seem to recall she had been married to either Mel or someone in the Kweskin Jug Band.

Anyone out there know Nina? Felicia

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Elizabeth Knight
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:13 AM

Someone asked about her. See for what she's doing now. (Libby Kresky, 86, retired professor of Russian, living on Bainbridge Island, Washington State; into 'astrology, counselling and past life regression.' Singing in the choir, not playing guitar.) The pdf is only the first page of an article, but the focus is not on music, to put it mildly!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 11:17 AM

Another try re Elizabeth Knight. I gave a link to a pdf, but it hasn't come through:

http://www.newspiritjournal.com/Issues/May09/May091.pdf

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 09 Jun 09 - 06:42 PM

Here's a link to the May 2009 issue of the Seattle community newspaper
in which the article appears: clicky here.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 08 Jul 09 - 08:04 PM

There was a query here a couple of years ago about a very good young Geordie guitarist at the Hanging Lamp FC in Richmond in the late Sixties. Trainee teacher, it said. Frank McSomething, it said. The answer is Connell. As in Frank McConnell. Very very good. And a nice man, too. He was one of the people behind the club, which was associated with the very early careers of John Martyn, Al Stewart, Ralph McTell, John James, Gryphon, Davey Johnstone and many more.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 01:00 AM

R.I.P Sandy Paton.
Hello David Jones
Anna, I was Hoot's first editor.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mark Burks
Date: 08 Sep 09 - 11:04 PM

Peter, I would love to hear more of his music, if there is any way that could be possible. I cherish his one Columbia album, and all of the stories I have heard of him. I was only four when he died, and never got to know him.

--Another kin of Seraffyn. (I am his aunt Alice's grandson. BTW, Alice, tho concieved in Denmark was born in Chicago. Some traveling family, no?) [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Erik Frandsen
Date: 15 Sep 09 - 08:06 PM

Steve Mann died in San Francisco on September 8th, 2009 after
suffering a stroke some months earlier...he had so little peace
in this world, let's hope he finds some in the next.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 16 Sep 09 - 11:40 AM

Greetings:

I attended the annual folk musicians' reunion in New York City's Washington Square Park this past Sunday, Sept. 13, and had the pleasure and honor of jamming and singing with some of the great figures from the old days. Among them were David Bromberg, John Cohen, Eric Weissberg, Mick Vandow, Hal Wylie, Kenny Kosek, Gene Tambour, and Roger Sprung. I also noticed Marshall Brickman and Danny Kalb among those present, but neither was playing any music when I saw them.

The only surprise was how overwhelmingly male it all was. What happened to all the women folk musicians from days gone by? This past Sunday they were few and far between.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Marc S. Silber
Date: 20 Sep 09 - 05:51 AM

HELLO,
    I am here in Berkeley California, and still making music and still selling and repairing fretted instruments. www.marcsilbermusic.com

    I have just completed my CD # 5 and will have the graphics done soon and it will show up with th others on my website.

    Nice post by Erik Frandsen about Steve Mann who we lost last week after a long illness. I will attend a musical wake tomorrow in his honor, here in Berkeley where he liveed for about the last 12 years.

      peace without bombs, marc s. silber

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 12 Oct 09 - 01:54 PM

Greetings once agin,

Did you notice that this thread will turn 5 years old next month? Who would have thought?

Anyway, I just put a video on YouTube of me performing this past March at what had been the old Interlude coffee house in Kew Gardens, New York. The place is now called the Bliss Gourmet Cafe and the big menu chalkboard is new, but otherwise it's pretty much as it was 45 years ago when Michael Cooney lived upstairs.

Please click here to see and listen.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jef Jaisun
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 12:41 PM

Yow! And all I was looking for was a link for Heidi Barton! Three hours later...

Some names left off the list: Barry Olivier, Ragtime Erik Fingerpick (sorry, man, but that was your handle before the flatpick got involved), Stan Rogers, Campbell Coe (yep, he did more than just fix instruments), Carol Crist, Sue Molin, Mike Wilhelm, Don MacAllister, Rick Shubb, Sol Feldthouse. Lynne Hughes with an 'e' in her first name. #224 -- same as Davey Coffin of pH Factor?

It's been 16 years since Country Joe organized the Berkelely Renaissance folk scare reunion at the Veteran's Hall. Time for a follow-up, while enough of us are still around to get there.

--- Jef

P.S. Oh yeah, that. It'll be 40 years old on Nov. 14.
www.eljefe.net/fnnafaq.html

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,christopher robin
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 10:35 PM

re: Earl Bensen...

ty someone for reminding me of his name..back from the old cafe espresso/gotham city and the folksingers/trieste days.

talented and funny he was indeed.

Now...
does anyone remember "The Great-Butter-Plane"...plus Ravi! ??

later

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Max
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 08:01 PM

How about Bodie Wagner, I ran into him in the mid 70's in Montreal hitching a ride on Utah Phillips and Rosalie Sorrel's coatails. He was kind of a latter day Woody Guthrie with serious attitude. Sang hobo and road songs. I still have a piece of vinyl of his from Philo. Max

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 09:45 PM

Bodie lives in Nevada City CA these days, working as a finish carpenter.
built his own house.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 29 Oct 09 - 10:02 PM

Two names that belong here are George McKelvey and Joel Cory who performed together
in the 60's as The Outsiders. See this thread for info about each.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Ed Hargadine
Date: 17 Nov 09 - 03:20 PM

For those of you who remember Seattle's Pamir house, I'll admit having known Andy Aldrich, Mike Atwood, Robbie Basho, Paul Bassett, Laurel Bliss, Bryan Bowers, Rolf Cahn, Don Firth, Gene Jaleski, Paul Gillingham, John Hendricks, John Hughes, Lynne Hughes, Doc Knutson, Steve Lalor, Mike Leib, Eejim Manning, Sue Molin, Barney Munger, Jerry Murray, The Turkey Pluckers, Nancy Quensé, Billy Roberts, Walt Robertson, Alice Stuart, John Timmons, Larry Vanover, Jim Wilhelm,
Vivian Williams, Carol Crist, Sue Molin, Don MacAllister, Jef Jaisun, and Davey Coffin. John Timmons was the only one among tem who didn't play music. I don't remember Robbie Basho or Larry Vanover doing much singing, --- which may not mean they didn't --- but the rest of them did sing.

Some other names that will most likely be of interest to those who remember the Pamir House: Mike Noone, John Braheny, John Browne, Heather Hammond, Ron Ginther, Ferd Ginther, Bill Sheldon, Dallas Williams, Ed Hargadine, Barry Hall, Lulu Harshman, Mariide Widman,
Bill Gunther (A.k.a. Lee Traveler,) David Hutsell, Mike Murphy,
Nick Ogilvie, Mukilteo Trio, Phil Williams, and Myron Johnson. I'm sure there were many more, but for now that's all my memory will retrieve. These folks all sang at the Pamir House at one time or another, and as this was forty years in the past, I'm pretty sure I'm remebering mostly the ones who came back many times and did a pretty good job.

I do know for sure that Mike Atwood, John Hendricks, Don MacAllister and Walt Robertson have passed away, and I seem to recall hearing the same about Nick Ogilvie and Robbie Basho, though I'm not certain of either. Otherwise, so far as I know, the rest are still living.

We sure had a lot of fun back then. :-)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Ed Hargadine
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 04:41 AM

In the preceding post I also wanted to mention Earl Benson, who performed at Cafe Espresso in Portland, but I had some trouble remembering his name. A very inspirational performer with a lot of enthusiasm, as well as a well-regarded songwriter. Earl passed away early in 2008, as I understand things.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: voyager
Date: 18 Nov 09 - 01:26 PM

Some comments and a question...

Thanks to BK Lick for this amazing 'canonical list'

IMHO - Kotke and Fahey would not be on a 'f***-singers' list.
I remember Kotke's quote about 'geese farts on a muggy day'
I have absolutely no recollection of Fahey Singing (Mudcat help me out)

Question -
If this thread were 'Well Known Folk Singers of the 60's' whould the list be longer (or shorter)?

Cheers
voyager

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,ivemann
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 05:46 AM

Does anyone remember The Talismen? Originally out of Rider University in Lawrenceville,NJ during the 60's? Recorded for Prestege Records.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Nov 09 - 04:43 PM

I'm searching for information on a little known group of gospel singers called the Mole Hill (or Molehill) singers. In the 1950s and early 1963s they were popular on late night country/religious radio.

They did a really great version of "Home of the Soul" (If for the prize we have striven, After our labors are o're ...).

The only Mole Hill I can find is somewhere in Tennessee, but no web sources on this group. If anyone has any information on them, kindly contact:

Jay Edwards
[e-mail]
Louisiana State University

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,DaveC, guest
Date: 22 Jan 10 - 03:05 PM

Someone on this thread asked the whereabouts of Mary Smith, from Flint, MI. Funny thing, I've been thinking about her recently. When I lived in Flint, I was in a trio, and she and I were friends from church (true!) she was the first to get a Martin guitar, and knew all the Ewan McColl, Buffy Ste. Marie songs etc.... very talented. We ran into each other over the subsequent foggy late 60's, and I saw her at the Bull Pub at University of Minnesota, Duluth campus, and she was apparently living in NYC..and mysterious about her life to that point. She had been very talented, with a striking Judy Collings-esque voice. With a name like hers, I would imagine near impossible to find. I also ran into Eric Anderson in Milt Okun's office in '68, and haven't heard from him since. How about Bob(?)Boyce, of Denver, Boyce & Johnson (I last saw him in Duluth in '69), about the time John Deutchendorf (aka John Denver hit it big as a solo). Lastly, there is John Fraser (chad Mitchell trio)again, lost track of him in '69. Memory lane is dusty.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 22 Jan 10 - 10:44 PM

Mike Fraser from the Mitchell Trio is a minister in California. Mary Smith(if she's the same Mary Smith I knew in the Village in the '70's)I don't know where she is now, last time I saw her was 30-some years ago and she was tending bar at an Italian restaurant on Houston St. called ARTUROS's. We occassionally sang duets together at the Thursday night Bluegrass jam there. Erik Frandsen might know if she is till around somewhere.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Don Meixner
Date: 23 Jan 10 - 12:59 AM

Mark I think your memory is off just a bit. The Vicar (Joe Frazier) is a Mudcatter and Mike Kobluk is out in the West Coast but I'm not sure where.

Don

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 23 Jan 10 - 01:46 PM

Don you're right, it's Joe Frasier, but he is in California. Down by LA I think.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mishacatty
Date: 25 Jan 10 - 02:22 PM

Anyone remember a duo called Art & Paul? Did the greatest rendition of "All the Pretty Little Horses" I've ever heard.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Feb 10 - 10:51 PM

Hi,

I met Seraffyn Mork at Phillips Andover in MA in probably 1961, and was so impressed by him I decided to take up folk music as a result. I was probably one of the few DJs that gave his album serious airplay.

Would **love** to somehow get a copy of his album, and would seriously consider putting up a simple website to share his music, if anyone wishes to do so - I have a small PC based audio studio at home.

Steve Curcuru
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,John Braheny
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 01:21 AM

My name just popped up from this site onto my Google Alert list. Thanks to Ed Hargadine for the mention re Seattle's Pamir House where we'd sit around the pot bellied stove in endless jams. What a cool discovery! Having played throughout the 60s on the Omaha, Minneapolis, Chicago Seattle,Vancouver BC and Boston/Cambridge folk scenes I have a long list of very good but little-known to better-known folksingers that I've had the pleasure of performing with and knowing. I'll list them by scene though most of them played throughout the U.S.as I did. Omaha '62: Mike McCarthy, Ted Anderson, Maxine Sellers, Clark Moffet, Daryl Seagraves, Ray Phoenix, Mike Brewer (before Brewer and Shipley) Bob Grossman, Len Chandler (also prominent in the NY G Village scene. We became biz partners in 71 for 25 years) We played The 3rd Man, The Jolly Coachman, Crooked Ear and several other clubs. Minneapolis 62-63:Jeff Espina, Judy Larson, John Koerner, Dave Ray, Tony Glover, Billy Golfus/John Gravelin, John Kolstad. Played the Scholar in Dinkeytown and the Triangle. Seattle 63: the previously mentioned Pamir House where I met "Barefoot"John Hendricks, John Browne, Davey Coffin (influential player - I still have some early tapes) Robbie Basho (he did pass), Billy Roberts (Wrote "Hey Joe")and Walt Barbee(Is anyone in touch with Walt?) I also met Peter Elbling (later of the Times Square Two), newly arrived from the UK (We're still friends)and Carol Crist. Steve Lalor and Lynne Hughes(later in the 60s). Also played a club called the Queequeg(sp) in the U district. Vancouver BC 63: Played many times at the Bunkhouse and at the Secret in Victoria with Brent Titcomb, David Wiffen, (both later with 3's A Crowd)Jon York, and many others I met there including Bruce Langhorne (we're still friends) The Chicago scene was rich. I played at Mother Blues, The Fickle Pickle (Mike Bloomfield was managing), the Unicorn with Johnny Brown, Bob Gibson, George McKelvey. Boston/Cambridge:65-66 (I think) I played clubs on Charles street - Sword and Stone, Turks Head (Also played their other club in Wellfleet), Mark Spoestra, Peter Childs, Taj Mahal, Chris Smither, Paul Arnoldi and Debbie Green(who I met much later). Never played Club 47 but enjoyed many great performances there. I'm sure I've forgotten as many as I remember. Someone should do a book about all the performers and other equally fascinating characters from that era. For me it was life-changing. Thank you all for jogging my sometimes hazy 60s mmemories. Reach me at [e-mail] or join me on Faceook.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jef Jaisun
Date: 21 Feb 10 - 08:52 PM

John --

Walt Barbee is still living in NE Seattle, or at least he's listed on the tax rolls, at 5751 29th Avenue NE. I know this 'cause in 1987 I wired his house! And that happened because Bryan Bowers talked me into re-wiring the massive, 100-year-old Bowers Towers a few years earlier. Then all my musician pals started passing me around like a joint with skills. :)

The good news is I used the money to buy more guitars and tour Europe, and so far the houses haven't burned down.

Alex Campbell told me he married Peggy Seeger because her visa had expired and she was facing deportation. After the marriage, he effectively "handed her off" to Ewan McColl. Peggy corroborated this when I talked to her circa 1990.


Jef
www.jaisunphoto.com

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Eric Marchbein
Date: 02 Mar 10 - 08:37 AM

I stumbled upon this thread and really enjoyed reliving the 4 Winds scene. My brother, Ted, invited me to join the Hunker Hill String Band in 1965, so that makes me a little-known folksinger! The band was named for our childhood home in Hunker, PA. Ted died in '02.

I saw Charlie Chin at the National Storytelling Festival in Jonesborough, TN about 5 years ago. He was a featured performer telling stories of the Chinese immigrant days in San Francisco. He was great! Jay Unger is no little-known folksinger. He is, of course, the composer of Ashokan Farewell, the theme song of Ken Burn's Civil War film. He still tours and performs.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,jan jarvis
Date: 03 Mar 10 - 10:55 PM

hi I am seeking anyone who has memories or recordings of Michael Atwood who used to play at the Pamir house in seattle-please respond to jbjmog////2gmail.com

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 10:39 AM

Some sad news!

I just learned that after nearly half a century in business under one name or another, the Bliss Gourmet Cafe in Kew Gardens, Queens, New York, finally closed its doors last week. All that is left is an empty corner storefront and FOR RENT signs.

Under previous owners, the cafe had once been called the Interlude, and during the first half of the 1960s it was one of the important centers of the folk scene in New York City. At one time Michael Cooney lived in one of the apartments on the second floor of the building which housed the Interlude, and he often served as the MC for the Thursday open mic nights, then called hootenanny nights. Michael was also among the many who appeared as featured performers on Friday and Saturday nights. Others included Pat Sky, Dave Van Ronk, Eric Andersen, and Phil Ochs.

In its most recent incarnation as the Bliss Gourmet Cafe, the venue continued to present live music, mostly local singer-songwriters. A year ago it hosted he Kew Gardens Music Festival, and I was invited to be the first performer in recognition of my connection to ithe past. Let's hope a new tenant comes along to reopen the cafe and continue its long tradition.

--- Steve

Subject: RE:Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: CC Ryder
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 07:40 PM

To the person who sent the post regarding Sam Cancilla/CC Ryder
I am his sister, I live in Canada. Sam died on September 1st 2007 in Ocala Florida of heart failure. He was an amazing man and a wonerful singer, excepionally talented with a velvet voice. I am glad someone remembers him.
Thank you.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: CC Ryder
Date: 06 Mar 10 - 07:48 PM

I sent a reply to this post but I am not sure if I did it right...
I am Sam Cancilla's sisier. I live in Canada. Sam passed away on Sept 1st 2007 of heart failure in Ocala Florida.
I am glad to see he is remembered. He was an extremely talented man with a velvet voice. I miss him very much.
Thank you

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 08:12 AM

Here's a double blast from the past! I heard both Matt Jones (ex-SNCC Freedom Singer) and Donal Leace perform at the Peoples' Voice Cafe in New York City last night (March 20, 2010).

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Marco Paolo McNeill
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 10:46 AM

"Children of the storm", the last album from Paul McNeill, my father is on

www.paulmcneill.ch

[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bill French, Epsom, NH
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 07:02 PM

I hope this connects to the thread about Leonda and her ocelot.
I worked in the same USAF shop at Otis AFB as Billy and used to hang out at their house in Sandwich, Ma. in 1964 - 1966

We used to go up to the Boston coffeehouses after we got off work at the base to listen to Leonda and other folk singers.

I had a photo darkroom in their basement. When I got out the USAF from Goose Bay, Labrador, I stopped by their place in Cambridge and they had the ocelot then.
I also remember then having a "Honey bear" (kinkajou?) at one point.

Bill French
Epsom, NH

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 06:44 PM

The "lads" or the "boys" The Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem brought Irish music to America through the folk revival.

I worked with them and a wonderful guitarist who did great work with Odetta on
Tradition Records (owned by Pat Clancy)................... Bruce Langhorne.

Paul Clayton opened the Gate of Horn folk nightclub in Chicago.

John Braheny mentioned the Fickle Pickle in Chicago. I played there with a trio on the off night and a new comedian used to come in and do impromptu sets ....Dick Gregory.
Bob Gibson came in too.

Does anyone remember Pat Foster or Woody Wachtel? Or Rolf Cahn? (I know Jo Mapes does because she posts here.)

John Braheny, "Baby Let Me Follow You Down" by Eric Von Schmidt, Jim Rooney does a good job of chronicles from that time and preceding times. Lots of Club 47 folks there.

Taj Majal and Ry Cooder were in a group called "The Rising Suns"

The late Erik Darling influenced the pop folk scene with "The Banana Boat Song" running concurrently with Belafonte's and "Walk Right In", his rewrite of Gus Cannon's song with the Rooftop Singers.

Broadside Magazine run by Cis Cunningham and Gordon Freisen featured some songwriters who weren't quite as famous as Paxton and Dylan (who they featured)
such as Gil Turner.

Len Chandler was part of that also. He later wrote songs for a weekly news show in
Los Angeles on current events called "The Credibility Gap".

Bernie Krause replaced me in the Weavers. He has an interesting autobio: In 1998, Heyday Books ," Into a Wild Sanctuary: A Life in Music and Natural Sound."

Does anyone remember Jessie Benton (Tom Benton's daughter?)

Some might remember Billy Faier, the banjo player. He innovated some interesting banjo styles as did Sandy Bull.

Jim Rooney and Eric Von Schmidt. Joe Val and the New England bluegrass band, The Charles River Valley Boys. Around that time Geoff Muldaur, Maria and the influential Bill Keith (the father of melodic conjunct style banjo playing) were in Jim Kweskin's band at the Club 47 on Bow St. Cambridge.

Ray Boguslav from New York.
Children's songwriter Peter Alsop.

Did anyone know that Jac Holzman of Elektra Records played flamenco guitar?

Tony Saletan? Brookline MA.

Molly Scott?

Caroline Hester

Anita Shearer?

They were known by a small audience in the 60's.

One of my fave folkies that I worked with at the Gate of Horn was Alan Mills (nee Alan Miller) who brought with him the greatest fiddler I've ever heard name Jeanny Carignan (Ti Jean) from Montreal..

I also worked with Brother John Sellers, a great fellow and fine gospel singer.

Of course, if you remember the 60's, you weren't there.

F.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: iancarterb
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 10:58 AM

I love that list, Frank. Heard most on recordings, a few in the same room. One I knew of from an in-law was Tony Saletan, whom I missed at Pinewoods because I moved west, but finally met last year when he sang with Joe Hickerson in Seattle. He lives in Tacoma, and forever in 15 minute segemnts of in service-television for schools from the late fifties and early sixties.
Carter Bannerman

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 04:48 PM

Frank,

Tony Salretan did a program for the New York Pinewoods Folk Music Club just one year ago. The program featured songs from the 1948 Progressive Party campaign of Hentry Wallace.

Carolyn Hester will be performing with her two daughters at the Peoples' Voice Cafe in New York City this coming May 15.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Bettynh
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 05:02 PM

I remember seeing Tony Salatan on public television when it was on maybe 3 hours a day in the early 60s. Saturday afternoons had Julia Child, Pete Seeger's "Rainbow Quest" and sometimes Tony, but I don't remember the name of his program.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 08:50 PM

aloha marco -

i just found your postings on mudcat. i only check in every couple of years but i'm glad to have the opportunity to let you know i knew your dad briefly in 1966.
we hitched together from greece to rome where we stayed a week or so with gordon mcintyre and his wife. had my first espresso.
i liked your dad.....was sorry to hear he is no longer on the planet. i hope he had a good life.
we were not in touch much after that summer. i went on to open a guitar store with my then significant other - store still there in nyc......umanov guitars. your dad would have loved all the old martins that passed through.

i live in hawaii now.....have a bamboo nursery on the big island and a bunch of old guitars up in the loft.

hope you have good memories of paul. though i only knew him briefly, i think he was a pretty good guy.
and he sure made getting to rome easier and safer and more fun for me.

aloha, and peace without bombs......susan ruskin (ex umanov).

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 09 Apr 10 - 10:09 PM

Hello Susan, good to see you here.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Apr 10 - 07:59 PM

Steve,

Pete Seeger told me that he cut his teeth as a performer on the Wallace campaign trail with Robeson. Learned to sing for large audiences.

Tony was responsible for the arrangement used on "Micheal Row The Boat Ashore".

Frank

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,susan ruskin
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 02:05 AM

and aloha to you.....still in the city?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Mark Ross
Date: 11 Apr 10 - 11:24 AM

Eugene, Oregon these days. Left The Big Core(the apple has long since been eaten) 34 years ago, Montana far 23 years, and then here.

MarK Ross

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 12 Apr 10 - 01:27 PM

Frank,

Thanks for those tidbits.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Gene Jaleski
Date: 02 May 10 - 03:01 PM

I am alive and well on a little island in the Gulf of Mexico. I loved being a part of the folk/hippie scene in the early sixties. Moved to Duvall in 1967 followed by Lahaina, Holly Weird, Lake Tahoe and here and now. I played six and twelve string and mostly rural blues.

Seattle was a beautiful experience with beautiful characters and a story almost too special to tell.

Link to me and friends in Duvall and Seattle in the sixties:

http://picasaweb.google.com/geneonlbk/DuvallWashington19681975#

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 14 May 10 - 06:39 PM

Alright, here's a couple who none of you are probably familiar with: (Maybe they qualify more as 70's rather than 60's).

RICHARD WHITE: Played a lot in Edmonton (at The Hovel and The Edmonton Folk Club) as well as in Calgary and Winnipeg--plus the very first Frostbite Music Festival in Whitehorse. A great songwriter, the theme of many of his songs being the loss of traditional ways of life---with a Western Canadian focus. He put out 3 lp's on Tonic Records, the last one being adaptations of poetry by Icelandic/Canadian poet, Stephane Stephanson (sp?).   Currently he's a history professor in Toronto.

DALEN AND STOJAN: (Gary Dalen and Mike Stojan). From Grande Prairie, Alberta where the performed during the late 60's, early 70's--then disappeared. Great complex harmonies during a period of time when this wasn't "in". They played at the first Dawson City Music Festival in 1978 and nothing more has been heard of them.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,moonrider
Date: 22 May 10 - 05:06 PM

Anyone remember Don Crawford - great folk singer, played in Canada and the US, worked in Vancouver at Vancouver LIfe magazine. Played 12-sring and sounded like Richie Havens.I heard him in Vancouver 1962 nd again 1968 - played Hootenannies. Where is he now?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 10 - 05:50 PM

Anyone know where Don Crawford is? I remember him from Vancouver between 1962-1968. Sounded like Richie Havens. Played 12-string. Great voice. Worked for Vancouver Life magazine 1962. Anyone know what happened to him?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Marvin Dockery
Date: 29 May 10 - 10:13 AM

I went often to the Hunt Club in Newport to listen to Jim, and drink an ale or two. He was buddies with several of my friends, and twice came to our house, at 82 mill street, for dinners prepared by our land lady, Berniece Woods.

Jim has a new cd, to be released any day now, that features two of my 1962 images of him, and the destroyers at Newport.

If you want to see the old 1962 photos of Jim check out his gallery at www.pbase.com/modelsmodels

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 03:26 AM

Re. the list compiled by BKLick. Where are Mickey Newbury and Tom Rapp? Two of the greatest. (and take out Eartha Kitt, Toots Thielman, and others who have nothing to do with folk, singer-songwriter, or roots music).

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 06:03 AM

Whatever happened to the two London boys Martin Shoben and Harry Vallins, known as 'The Haverim'?   They were well known on the UK folk scene in the 1960's, singing Yiddish songs like 'Yoshke Fort Avec', and others like '9 Inch Nails'.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 01:23 PM

Don Crawford. Yes, I heard him once at The Ark in Vancouver, B.C. This would have been sometime in the late 1960s.

Excellent!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 11:27 PM

Saidman said:

Re. the list compiled by BKLick. Where are Mickey Newbury and Tom Rapp? Two of the greatest.
(and take out Eartha Kitt, Toots Thielman, and others who have nothing to do with folk, singer-songwriter, or roots music).

Well, if you will notice, the list purports only to be a compilation of names mentioned in this thread.
The two you inquired about had not yet been mentioned, whereas the ones you instructed us to take out have
been mentioned.

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 24 Jun 10 - 11:41 PM

Good point! Sorry about that. But consider them now to have been mentioned.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Tim Shoben
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 04:45 PM

Hi Burl,

Martin's my dad, so let me know what you want to know!! He'd be very happy someone remembers him & Harry.

All the best,

Tim

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Genie
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 05:31 PM

Among the good folksingers I heard when I lived in Greenwich Village in the early '60s but who are not well-known except maybe to real folkie "insiders" are Josh White's daughter Beverly, Peter & Isobel Gardner (very eclectic and both with classical musical training), and Bonnie Dobson. The latter two, as well as Carolyn Hester, Guy Carawan, and Judy Henske, were folksingers I discovered early on, by way of live performances or workshops and/or records, but who never really became big names.   

Then there are people like Andy Cohen who were hardly known in the '60s and even now are not as well known as their talent deserves. Andy spent a short time in Champaign-Urbana, IL, where I met him and he would entertain me and others, playing my old Martin guitar. I don't think he had done much songwriting at the time, but his guitar work and blues singing were very impressive even back then.
Another excellent guitarist/singer/performer whom I knew in Philadelphia about 1970 was Max Yasgur's nephew Bruce Yasgur. DK if he ever did any recording but he was excellent.

Someone's already mentioned the Seattle area folks like Don Firth, Nancy Quense, Stewart Hendrickson, Reggie Miles, Mike Nelson, Bob Nelson, Stan James, and Bruce Baker.   
And in the Portland, OR, area we had some excellent folkies such as Jinx Davis, Steve Culver (the same one mentioned before as a Seattle area musician?), Bo and Paul Parker, Bob Cotta, Mary Benson (both of the group "Howling Gael"), Kate Power & Steve Einhorn, Bill Murlin. I might add Baby Gramps and Jim Page, as well as Linda Allen and Linda Waterfall.

And back about 1959, when I first "got into" folk music, I got a record by a folk trio called "The Coachmen." They were a lot like the Kingston Trio or The Limeliters, for what it's worth, but whatever you think of that type of "folk" music, they were excellent musicians.

Then there are people like our own Mary Garvey, who have been writing and singing beautiful folk songs for decades - not sure if they all were doing that in the '60s though.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Morgana
Date: 23 Jul 10 - 07:41 PM

Abby, could your San Fransisco folk singer Tom be Tom Parrott? He wrote "The Freedoms We've Been Fighting For," which is in Broadside Magazine, and I think he's still alive. I'm pretty sure I looked him up on wikipedia once.

Many of the people whose names I've seen here appeared in Broadside Magazine. I'm too young to have been around in the '60's, and I always thought that anybody I knew the name of had to be well-known, otherwise I wouldn't know about them. But, there are several names in a Broadside songbook which my mother gave me that I've tried to look up online, and had no results. Of course, just because somebody isn't online now doesn't mean they weren't famous then, but I feel as if there would be some mention of their name somewhere if they were.

I've noticed that several people have posted about David Cohen (I guess there are three David Cohens). In my Broadside songbook, there is a David Cohen mentioned who wrote "The Cruel Years," and "More Good Men Goin' Down," both anti-Vietnam songs. I wonder if he is one of the same ones you all have talked about? Also in the songbook are Alex Cohen and Bob Cohen. Probably unrelated, since Cohen is a common name.

I'm going to list here some of the "little-known" song-writers who appear in my book, along with others whom I consider to be well-known:

Eric Anderson - He wrote "My Land is a Good Land," and had a record (1965ish) called "'Bout Changes and Things." I own this, and it's the only record of his I've ever heard of.
Rich Astle - He wrote "The Autumn Wind," which I love. I don't know what became of him, but I would like to know.
Ed Carl
Jimmy Collier - I think he was active in the poor people's movement with Fredrick Douglas Kirkpatrick "Everybody's Got a Right to Live."
Joan Cosman
Gail Dorsey and Emilie Gould
Richard Farina - played the mountain dulcimer. Mimi Farina's husband. He wrote "Children of Darkness," and died tragically in a motorcycle accident.
Bill Frederick
Ricardo Gautreau
Chris Gaylord
Guillevic
Carolyn Hester
Matt Jones and Elain Laron
Paul Kaplan
Mike Kellin
Peter Krug
Peter La Farge - I think this is who wrote "As Long as the Grass Will Grow," and worked for Native American causes. He died young, but I'm not sure why.
Julius Lester
Walter Lowenfels
Ernie Marrs
Ric Masten
Matt McGinn - He may be more well-known than I think. I've seen his name in other places besides Broadside.
Will McLean - He wrote several songs about the history of his home state, Florida. He was also a WWII vet, and older than many of the younger folk-singers of the time.
Jerry Moore
Ronnie Peterson
Vanessa Redgrave - A little-known singer, but a well-known actress and activist, I would guess.
Malvina Reynolds - I don't consider her little-known, but nobody else seems to know who she is. She's one of my favorites.
Norman A. Ross
Teddi Schwartz
Patrick Sky
Mark Spoelstra
Luis Valdez
Carl Watanabee
Billy Edd Wheeler
Elain White
Martin Wood
Woody Wright

If anybody has information about the people mentioned in this post, I'd like to know more about them. Feel free to correct me if I've listed someone who is actually quite famous as "little known."

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 07:09 AM

Morgana,

Lots of people you mention are still alive and actively performing, and there are several that I am in contact with. For example, I regularly see and speak with Paul Kaplan, since both he and I currently serve on the People's Music Network steering committee. Paul currently lives in Amherst, MA, where is teaches music and runs a concert series.

The last I heard of Julius Lester he was also living in Amherst, but that was several years ago. He is a Professor Emeritus of African-American Studies and Judaic Studies at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, as well a the author of many books.

Carolyn Hester tours with her two daughters, and they peform at the Peoples' Voice Cafe in New York City about once a year.

Matt Jones lives in New York City and has been part of the local folk scene for many years. He has been seriously ill lately, and I visited him in Saint Luke's Hospital earlier this month.

I believe Eric Andersen lives in Norway. He is still touring, and I've seen him here in New York three times in the past five years.

Several people on your list have, of course, passed away.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Kurt Foster
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 06:41 PM

I've seen several references to my Father Pat Foster. It's nice to know he is remembered. I thought I would provide the details of what happened to him

Pat passed away at age 61 in 1990 in Seaside CA at his Mother's home of a sudden heart attack after years of alcohol and tobacco abuse.

As those who knew Pat, he could be a very "difficult" person. When drinking he was downright unpleasant and when sober he was at best miserable.

Pat and my Mother divorced when I was a baby due to their being arrested in LA in regards to child neglect and abuse. I looked him up and finally met him when I was 14 years old. He was living with his then Wife Harriet in Sausilito CA and by that time he had pretty much stopped gigging.

When I turned 18 we took a road trip in a VW bus to Yellowstone and we played some impromptu sets in a few small bars and bistros along the way. Pat was drinking quite heavily and trip ended when he wound up in the hospital in Yellowstone from a pancreatic attack.


He went on to live many more years that he was supposed to spending his last years in the persona of a Catholic Priest of the American Catholic Church in the Salinas and Monterey area. His ashes are buried next to his Mother Hazel and his Uncle Robert Greene in the cemetery overlooking the lighthouse at Pacific Grove CA.

I had the opportunity to produce and record Brownie McGhees final record just before Brownie passed away and in passing I ask him if he had know Pat. He said nothing but he gave me such a dirty look, I decided to drop it. Those who knew Pat probably understand. He was a great talent but he wasted it. He led a tortured existence due to some very bad experiences in the service of the OSA as a teen and I am comforted that in his passing he is finally at peace.

Kurt Foster

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Art Thieme
Date: 10 Oct 10 - 11:01 PM

to Kurt Foster,
Thanks for telling us all that about Pat. I never met him but his music really did hit me where I've lived; the graphic songs from history---his renderings of California gold rush ballads--those brought him alive for me. In that sense, I'm glad I got to know him.
The tune he had for "The California Boy" is the one I used for the Wisconsin lumber camp ballad called "The Pinery Boy." That good tune made the song quite popular there in Wisconsin and in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Those two songs along with "The Sailor Boy" --- from Britain---all had the same tale to tell; but the manner in which the "boy" made his living changed with the geography and culture involved.

Again, thanks for taking the time to set us straight.
Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Oct 10 - 02:28 PM

I met Pat Foster on one occasion, back in the very late Fifties or very early Sixties. He came to Seattle looking for work singing. We made a few suggestions of places he could try, then one fellow I knew offered to put him up at his apartment.

He didn't seem to care to mingle with any of the local singers at all. Kind of aloof.

The friend later said that Foster never left the apartment, apparently expecting local impresarios to come looking for him. Never did check out the places we suggested. Then, my friend said that Foster rolled up his sleeping back, stuffed it into his back pack, picked up his guitar case, declared Seattle the nether orifice of the world, and left for other parts.

A "difficult" and fairly unpleasant person indeed.

A few weeks later, the fellow who ran the Folklore Center in Seattle's University district discovered that he had a record of Pat Foster in stock (Riverside, I think, but I'm not sure). He played it for me.

Pat Foster was a darn good singer, and the record had some good stuff on it.

I kind of got the impression that, in a way, he was his own worst enemy. Too bad.

Sorry to hear about your loss, Kurt.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Gandalf
Date: 19 Nov 10 - 07:34 AM

Know Don Crawford well...we had a common friend and in the early 70s he appeared on a PBS special called 'The Session" in addition to releasing several great albums. In fact, WoundedBird records has re-release three of them on CD and they sound as fresh as they did when they were released in the early 70s.

Wish I knew where he was now...last time I heard anything about him was years ago when he was in Denver.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 24 Nov 10 - 12:26 AM

Any info on Dorothy Callison of W. Va? I heard her on an Oscar Brand SSA program.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Iberus Hacker
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 02:49 PM

As I remember, he introduced himself to me as Iberus J. Hacker. I met him in the late 60s / early 70's in Chattanooga. He was quite a character, but very talented and cared for humanity.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 25 Dec 10 - 10:03 PM

A quick update: I went to visit Matt Jones at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York Cty earlier this week, but he was in a deep sleep. He has been hospitalized for several months already, and he looks like a shell of his former self.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: sheila
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 01:48 PM

Guest Morgana (23 Jul 10)-
Matt McGinn died in 1977, due to a fire.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Judy Hensdke (is still around)
Date: 26 Dec 10 - 02:05 PM

I don't know if she counts as little known but Judy Henske (High Flying Bird- pre Richie Havens) Wade in the Water, Salvation Army Band) Hooka Tooka (see my link about a new interpretation) is still around. She is still touring (a little( and he is a racious and seductive as ever.Not bad for somebody in her 70's.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Jon Marchett
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 02:42 AM

The Queen City Balladeers sang backup for the Mitchell Trio in their 1960's concerts in OH.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 08:45 PM

Looking, looking....... what happened to 60's folk singer Judy Bright ????? Seems that at her Music on DOT, she was in good company with Bob Dylan, etc. Any music available anywhere?? Sherry

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 09:45 PM

looking for Judy Bright, or any other out of print LP - look on eBay, GEMM, musicstack, or google for other record dealers.
Best wishes, Thomas.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,magnettejake
Date: 30 Jan 11 - 11:27 PM

Haven't seen too much about SoCal in he 60s--lots of us tried to be folksingers. Here are some really little knowns: Melinda Rinker (now a prof at stanford), George Ball (who wrote Baxter's Flatpicking Manual), Steve Stapenhorst (AKA S. Stapen, S. Horst and S. Forest); Owens, Bob and Carol (from Texas--Owens Castleman had some success); Tim Morgon; Tom Carvey; Al Ellington; the Green Valley Clodsfrom Pasadena.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: NY Pinewoods
Date: 02 Mar 11 - 09:35 AM

Save this date!

New York Pinewoods Folk Music Club
(Folk Music Society of New York, Inc.)

presents

North American Urban Folk Music of the 1960s
A Celebration and Tribute
Saturday • October 22, 2011
1:00-10:00 PM
Doors open 12:30 PM

Confirmed participants:
Alix Dobkin
Jerry Epstein
Luke Faust
Bev Grant and the Dissident Daughters
Charlie Ipcar
Lisa Null
Anne Price
Jerry Rasmussen
Peter Stampfel
Heather Wood
Other performers to be announced once confirmed.
                     
Schedule:
1:00-2:30 PM: The Great Folk Scare, an Overview of the 1960s
2:45-4:15 PM: Hoot in the Afternoon Round Robin – Part 1
4:30-6:00 PM: Hoot in the Afternoon Round Robin – Part 2
7:30-10:00 PM: Evening Concert

Hosted by:
Elisabeth Irwin High School – LREI
40 Charlton Street
New York, NY 10014
Between Varick Street and Sixth Avenue

www.folkmusicny.org

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Frank White
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 12:49 AM

Hello out there!

I moved from Brisbane, Australia to Montreal in 1965 which spelled break-up for a young Brisbane group called Babayaga Trio (predates other groups of this name). Also in the trio were Murray Uhlmann (deceased) and Ray Gurney (very active in the Aussie folk music scene, in Sydney). The Montreal Folk Workshop became my favourite haunt from 65-69, and I launched a one man band act there (more energy than finesse, but it was fun): guitar, maraca (in running shoe), harmonica, kazoo and whistle. ... Flamenco jazz these days.

Let's hear it for the lesser known from Moose Hall, 1960s!

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Art Thieme
Date: 20 Mar 11 - 08:28 PM

RE: JUDY BRIGHT. She is in and around Evanston, Illinois these days. (I talked to her last week.) For many years she taught school.

Sadly, that Dot Records LP was the only one she ever did put out. My copy is long gone. I did manage to put it on a cassette -- along with a few live things by Judy at the No Exit Coffeehouse--circa 1960s-70s. She helps her husband, Mike Stein, put out the magazine called "Film Fax" which is devoted to some of the strangest science fiction films, interviews ephemera, flotsam and jetsam that I've ever seen offered anywhere. Actually a couple hundred thousand DVD reissues of films that only cult devotees could like. Still, I enjoy looking through Film Fax just to see what films I would never ever want to purchase. ---- As you can see, I am at a loss for words to describe the niche this magazine fills. To say it is science fiction is accurate, but also, saying that is a disservice to the really good Sci-Fi films that they feature also (sometimes).

Also, Judy Bright (her maiden name) is, and has been, Judy Stein for many years. Back in the 60s I loved her music.

BUT Dylan had nothing to do with that record. (He wasn't there then either. ;-) The hamonica was played on the song Tumbalalaika by Judy's then agent Jerry Adler---whose brother, Larry Adler, was a solo harmonica player of much repute a decade or two earlier..

Hope this helps you folks looking for her.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Bruce Yasgur
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:13 PM

Hi, All. I'm still a little-known folksinger, alive and well in the Philly area. Minor correction: Max was my cousin, but was certainly old enough to have been my uncle.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: NY Pinewoods
Date: 11 May 11 - 09:13 AM

Updated information!

Folk Music Society of New York, Inc.
(New York Pinewoods Folk Music Club)

presents

North American Urban Folk Music of the 1960s
A Celebration and Tribute
Saturday • October 22, 2011
1:00-10:00 PM
Doors open 12:30 PM

Performers:
Jeff Davis
Alix Dobkin
Jerry Epstein
Toby Fagenson
Luke Faust
Bev Grant and the Dissident Daughters
Charlie Ipcar
Pat Lamanna
Lisa Null
Anne Price
Jerry Rasmussen
Peter Stampfel
Happy Traum
Heather Wood

Schedule:
1:00-2:30 PM: The Great Folk Scare, an Overview of the 1960s
2:45-4:15 PM: Hoot in the Afternoon Round Robin – Part 1
4:30-6:00 PM: Hoot in the Afternoon Round Robin – Part 2
7:30-10:00 PM: Evening Concert

Hosted by:
Elisabeth Irwin High School – LREI
40 Charlton Street
New York, NY 10014
Between Varick Street and Sixth Avenue

All-event rates (afternoon and evening):
General admission: $40
FMSNY or LREI member: $30
Child or F/T student: $20

Afternoon only or evening concert only:
General admission: $25
FMSNY or LREI member: $20
Child or F/T student: $15

This event is now on Facebook. Please click here and log in if necessary.

More info at www.folkmusicny.org

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 11 - 01:13 PM

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Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Mimi Morissette
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 03:45 AM

1962-1963 Dinky Town Circa. I recently heard from Clark Moffitt AKA Clark Maffitt who is living in Martha's Vinyard where his daughter owns a restauarant. I was engaged to him in that era after I met him at the Scholar in Mpls. His rendition of The First Time made me fall instantly in love. I also remember having Maxine Sellers and Josh White Junior come to have dinner at my apartment where the landlord called my mother to have me evicted because of their racial differences. Don't know what happened to Peter Seagraves. I could use one of those 60s rent parties how so many of us survived in the early 60s. Hmmm I think I partially sold out from Beatnik to major land developer! I still am a Lass from The Low Country looking for my Lord of High Degree.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Dave Hard
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 01:31 AM

Hey Folkmusicgirl & Deljeanne (Adele Assante) Contact me on Facebook so I can get you copies of the music Adele and I did back when...I still play banjo and guitar solo and with two folk groups here in Boulder. Does anyone else remember playing the Tete-a-Tete and the Ballad Room? Or the open mics at the 47 with Bill Staines?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Dave Hard
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 02:20 AM

Does anyone remember the guy who played 12-string guitar on PBS late at night. He started doing topical stuff when Mark Russell (piano) stopped doing his wonderful Tom Leher(sp.)-style songs. One of the unknown guy's songs was about religion "I don't know, I don't know, I haven't a clue which way you should go....." and I'd love to find the full lyrics.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Don Wise
Date: 24 Aug 11 - 09:19 AM

Some of us who started out in the late 1960s have stayed unknown, not so much because of going into hibernation but rather through moving away from the UK. The hibernation came later with the realisation that the level of air pollution in the bars etc. was deleterious to my health. Of course, not belonging to the 'London scene' didn't necessarily help either. So now here I am, still outside the UK, with a lot of songs I've written over the years, most of which have never been sung in public, creeping out of hibernation- smoking has been banned in bars etc. and so singing in public is once again an interesting and enjoyable option.
Two years ago I discovered that Mr. Gladstone's Bag used to sing one of my songs(The Bakewell Witches).Pity I never got to hear their version.Coope,Boyes and Simpson have also recorded a song (The Uttoxeter Souling Song) which I exhumed from the archives and made a tune for- I wonder if they realise where/who the song comes from?

Too much blowing my own horn? Possibly, but at my age I don't feel like being particularly modest any more!

Who remembers The Garden Gnome Ceilidh Band (the UK original)??

Don

Subject: Bonnie Dobson was born November 13
From: Abby Sale
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 08:29 AM

Bonnie Dobson may have been little known and did retire from folk song many years back...BUT, I believe she was a fine singer and fairly influential among those that did know her.

Her records are on CD now and still good.

Please PM or e-mail me if you have her (London, perhaps) e-mail or other contact. I'd like to send her a card.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 10:00 PM

As oldhippie posted up above this 1993 interview had her at the "Philosophy Department at the Berwick College of the University Of London" but I think that should be Birkbeck College -- you could try sending an enquiry to: [e-mail]. There's also a nice biography here.

—BK

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: balladeer
Date: 06 Nov 11 - 10:29 AM

I don't think Bonnie Dobson qualifies as "little known" ... there were a handful of household names and then there were the Bob Gibsons, Len Chandlers and Bonnie Dobsons, who were known to everyone who travelled in 1960's North American and British folk circles.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: JohnSc
Date: 10 Feb 12 - 11:17 PM

Add Tia Blake, who recorded a beautiful album in Paris in 1971. She was from Columbus, GA. Here music appears on YouTube and Spotify

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 12:41 AM

does anybody remember a group called "we?" or something like that - two guys and a girl - she had an incredible voice - one or two albums, then she died, group disappeared - i think they did a version of len chandler's keep on keepin on

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: iancarterb
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 08:32 AM

GUEST Dave Hard asked, about 5 posts back, from August 2011, about a singer of The Agnostic Hymn. I believe that would be MIKE NEUN, whom I met at a sing about 20 years ago in Suquamish WA here in the Pacific Northwest. He was working as a comedian, including his own songs and pretty good 12 string chops, on cruise ships. I'm glad to be reminded of him, and if I can find one of the tapes or CDs I bought from him I'll be pleased to hear them again. Very funny and very nice guy.
    Carter

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Marc S. Silber
Date: 10 May 12 - 03:58 AM

Yes, Bruno Wolf was originally a guy named David Simon from Great Neck, Long Island. I knew him first in the Village through a girl named Wendy Shore and through Perry Lederman, both of whom I knew at the Univ. of Michigan in Ann Arbor. David was a rather comical guy and bright and played guitar a little I think and had a harmonica.

He later got into health foods and was selling these from a push cart and maybe even had a restaurant in the East Village.

Then he was in Jim Kweskin's Jug Band where he sang and played harmonica. After that I do not know what happened to him although he was already talking about Scientology.

It seems the surviving members of Kweskin's Jug Band would know more about David Simon. I am still friends with Jim, Geoff, and Maria and will ask them. I will be performing in a FESTIVAL over Memorial Day celebrating he Fiftieth Anniversary of the DENVER FOLKLORE CENTER and will see Jim and Geoff there.
I am just finishing my CD # 7 by the way
Keep on Singing,
Marc S. Silber (www.marcsilbermusic.com)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 01:00 PM

I owned and loved the Serafyn record, which disappeared in the early 60's while I was vagabonding through Europe... along with two or three other albums my folks blamed for my dropping out of suburbia and academia. I've never gone back, now live bouncing among Cape Cod, St John and Connemara... " through hollow land and hilly land"...always wishing I could hear just once more Serafyn's SONG OF THE WANDERING AENGUS

if anyone can help me find and have this magical voice back in my life I'd be ever grateful.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 06:26 PM

Here's a good discography
and here are a couple recordings I like:
Donovan
Judy Collins

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: bobad
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 06:36 PM

You can download the album with that song on it here http://playitagainmax.blogspot.ca/2009/06/seraffyn-of-love-of-war-of-many-things.html.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 06:50 PM

"if anyone can help me find and have this magical voice back in my life I'd be ever grateful."

I might be able to do that. How does one get in touch with you?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 11 Jan 13 - 09:10 PM

We can add to the list television actor Pernell Roberts in his pre-Bonanza days. Click here to hear the title track of his 1963 folk song LP, Come All Ye Fair and Tender Ladies.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,www.ciscohouston.com
Date: 17 Jan 13 - 05:23 PM

Hey Art--

I would love to hear those Cisco tracks. Can that be arranged?????

Jim Clark

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 13 - 10:11 AM

I haven't seen this film so I don't know if any little known singers were included, but this is a new thread:

Greenwich Village: Music that Defined a Generation.

Reviews are posted in the other thread.

SRS

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Rick Heilbrunn
Date: 26 Jan 13 - 03:05 PM

I happened across these threads while doing some research on my father's old coffee house, The Interlude Cafe. My father was the Max Heilbrunn that was mentioned by Steve Suffet in a post about the Interlude. Name was close but it was almost 50 years ago.

I would love to know more about the Interlude from anyone out there is cyberspace. Steve- your memory is amazing.

As I am sure most know, the Kitty Genovese murder was pretty much the end of that incarnation of the Interlude. I am pleased to see that the old roots are still soaked in coffee. I actually have a few of the dishes that my Dad used in the store. Unfortunately he died in 1974 but he would have been touched by the memories of his beloved Interlude.

Any information will be great appreciated.

Rick Heilbrunn

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Suffet
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 11:05 PM

Once again, here is some totally shameless self promotion on behalf of two little known '60s folk singers!

My singing partner Anne Price and I will be performing at the Peoples' Voice Cafe (Community Church, 40 East 35th Street, New York City) on Saturday, November 23, 2013, beginning at 8:00 PM. Both she and I had digital albums released this year, and this concert celebrates both. Please follow this Facebook link for more information.

--- Steve Suffet

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,mightbetomt
Date: 26 Nov 13 - 03:46 PM

Anybody know what happened to Michael Fairbanks, a guitarist/folksinger from Maine in the 70s/80s?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Carol Ragusa
Date: 03 Dec 13 - 12:26 PM

Responding to a question about the Washburn house on Root st in flint, mi. These were my grandparents.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,PAUL LEEE ARNOLDI
Date: 31 Dec 13 - 12:00 PM

YES, I AM ACTIVE ,WRITING AND SINGING, PICKIN'... 310-710-2276   PAULARNOLDI.COM

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 13 - 12:38 PM

http://paularnoldi.com/contact.html

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Dave Hard
Date: 10 Feb 14 - 03:35 PM

Who was the guy who played 12string guitar on late night PBS in the 80's? He sang satirical songs ala Marc Russell (who preceded him).

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 02:34 PM

Does anyone have any knowledge about Pat Foster?

The above is quite a comprehensive list. Wow!

I'll tell you about someone who you don't know, who in my opinion is one of the best
folksingers around today. His name is Chick Marston and he was a former fisherman from Gloucester, Mass. He plays a good guitar, lots of blues and ballads and is modest. He's married to a lady who sings very well named Ellen Ford, an alto who can belt out a tune with the best of them.

Barbara Barrow and Micheal Smith deserve to be mentioned. His song, "The Dutchman" is a classic.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 11 Feb 14 - 02:40 PM

Did anyone mention my old friend John Cohen from the New Lost City Ramblers?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: BK Lick
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 01:26 AM

Stringsinger asked "Does anyone have any knowledge about Pat Foster?"
On Oct. 10, 2010 his son posted this (click and wait patiently for a long scroll )
and the following two posts from Art Thieme and Don Firth also have some information.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Vashbul
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:40 AM

Here is a link to an interview and performance from the last day of 1959, on WBZ/Boston. Billy Faier and Seraffyn the Wandering Minstrel play, sing and talk about folk music. They were in town to play at the Ballad Room in Copley Square with Joan Baez.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B02qyukZ6WQwRFpJUG9UQVpBR1k/edit?usp=sharing

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Sharmagne
Date: 01 May 14 - 01:13 AM

Arkie and Cool Beans.

I met Jamie at the Troubadour in L.A. at the Elton John concert.

He wrote the song "Late Night Countess" about me. We began a correspondence and I went to visit him in Nottingham, NH just before he sold his farm around 1973. I have not seen him since.

Please let me know if you ever find him. He used to be listed in the phone directory under General George Custer.

~S~

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Julian S.
Date: 27 May 15 - 07:40 PM

Mike Slossen (sp?) is on the list, and I've wondered what happened to him. I believe he was out of Texas, where he played at one time with Jerry Jeff Walker, before Bojangles made a star of Jerry Jeff. Mike was on the road for several years, and then got drafted during the Vietnam War. He went AWOL and decided to move to Sweden. The night before he left I was with him at a Reverend Gary Davis gig in a church in Greenwich Village. Maybe Judson Memorial. The year was about 1968. Any updates would be welcome.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 May 15 - 08:06 PM

I think the spelling is Mike Slosson.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Don Day
Date: 29 May 15 - 07:12 AM

Does anyone miss Ellis Holiday? No, I didn't think so.


Don

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST, DTM
Date: 29 May 15 - 07:50 AM

I used to be a big fan of the late Tim Rose until I discovered the scuzzy way he shafted Bonnie Dobson out of her due credit for 'Morning Dew'. Shameful from a man who initially planned on becoming a priest.

Some people, huh.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 23 Apr 16 - 10:45 AM

Anyone have further information about Laura Weber ??

I see 2 LP's: Folk Guitar-beginner; More Folk Guitar-intermediate
privately issued
Were there others ??

one post mentions 4 books - what were they ???

I see this one:
Laura Weber and Virginia Duncan
A Series of Beginning Lessons in Folk Guitar, (Folk Guitar with Laura Weber) Produced by KQED San Francisco, 1965

an obituary from November 1995 from SFGate...
Laura Weber, a music teacher whose folk guitar lessons were a mainstay of public television for many years in the 1960s and '70s, died of cancer Sunday at Kaiser Hospital in San Francisco. She was 70.

Mrs. Weber's two TV series both were produced at KQED in San Francisco. Her first was Time for Music, a children's series that was aired for six years. Her second, Folk Guitar with Laura Weber, was at one time carried by 52 TV stations across the country.

A native of New York City who attended the Oberlin Conservatory of Music, she was a private teacher in San Francisco and was on the music faculty at San Francisco State University.

Survivors include a sister, Eleanor Meyer of Hayward; a daughter, Valerie Cartwright of Sunland; and two grandchildren.

A memorial service will be held at 4 p.m. December 4, at Knuth Hall at the S.F. State College of Creative Arts.

Donations can be sent to the SFSU Foundation/Laura Weber Fund, c/o the Music Department, San Francisco State University, 1600 Holloway Avenue, San Francisco 94132.


There is another performer LAURA WEBER-CASH, a fiddler and singer.
It may be this performer who is credited as 'Laura Weber' on a CMH CD of Civil War Songs, and a couple of Larry Perkins CD's ?????????????

Thomas.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Felipa
Date: 02 Jul 16 - 07:08 AM

Mark Ross, if you want to catch up with Lisa Null, I see she is one of the organisers of this year's Getaway

I remember Bill Vanaver gigs at Cornell U., Ithaca, NY; got an lp, learned some songs from it. It's mentioned in this thread he had a heart attack 10 years ago, so it's good to know that Bill and Livia are still running the Vanaver Caravan http://vanavercaravan.org/

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,Rick11
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 03:25 PM

How about The Talismen on Prestige Records - Album “Folkswingers Extraordinaire” (7406)? Based out of New Jersey from 1962 to 1968. Single “Off To The Sea” hit the pop charts in Billboard.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 06 Oct 19 - 06:11 PM

Whatever happened to the band Malcolm’s Interview ? I have one album, we’re there others.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Oct 19 - 05:43 AM

Great thread. Americans were so animated back in 2007. Must be the influence of Trump.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Oct 19 - 08:13 AM

Wonder if anybody knows what became of Manchester's Maria Louden She was a very promising member of out workshop in the 1960s but we lost touch when I moved too London
One of the best women singers I remember from those days was Terry Griffiths, who residented at The Pack Horse with Terry Whelan, Harry Boardman, Tom Gilfellon, et al
Last time I saw her was at Terry's funeral
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Oct 19 - 02:24 PM

Brother John Sellers
Al Grierson
Bob Gibson
Ernie Lieberman
Betty Sanders
David Sears
Martha Schlamme
Derroll Adams
Michael Saul
Art Rosenburg
Woody Wachtel
K.C. Douglas
Hally Wood
Bess Lomax Hawes
Billy Faier
Sonja Savig
Rick Ruskin
Bob Atcher
George and Jerry Armstrong
Peter and Isabel Gardiner
Sam Kennedy
Al Meyers
John Herald
Valucha Buffington
Ginny Clemens
Effie Siegerman
Tommy Geraci
Pat Foster
Fleming Brown
Bob Carey
Walter Raim
Jerry Silverman
Millard Lampell
Ethel Raim
Jack and Jan Tangerman
Molly Scott
Sis and Gordon Cunningham
Cisco Houston
Osborne Smith
Laura Duncan
Rosalie Sorrels
Faith Petric
Stu Ramsey
Paul Clayton
Rich Dehr and Frank Miller
Marcia Berman
Terry Gilkyson
Terea Lee
Katie Lee
Glenn Ohrlin
Gail Gardner
Granpa Jones
Brother Oswald
Stringbean
George Pegram
Guy Carawan
Boomer Castleman
Lowell George
Andy Stewart
Frank Robinson
Philip and Pam Boulding
Stan Rogers
Archie Fisher
Schlomo Carbach
David Amram
Michael Jonathan
Lorraine Hammond
Ellen and Irene Kossoy
John Carbo
Milt Okin
Rick Lee
Bill Croft


Somebody will surely know about at least three of these folkies.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Oct 19 - 03:09 PM

I saw Derroll Adams in Liverpool when he was fundraising for a very ill Woodie Guthrie back home - he made a couple of albums of Woodie's songs for Topic
There'd one of the best interpretations of 'The Whore's Lament I've ever heard by Hally Wood somewhere on our shelves
Guy Carawan did a very early Topic Record with Peggy Seeger
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Oct 19 - 11:43 AM

Derroll and Jack made many appearances in Europe. I knew Derroll, a kind, generous man, encouraging and no nonsense. His expression onstage was often, "Cut the shit, Jack!"

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: PHJim
Date: 11 Oct 19 - 07:06 PM

I apologise for not reading all of the thread.

Some of the folkies I saw in Hamilton coffee houses and Mariposa in the early sixties were:
Al Cromwell,
Judith Orban,
Malka & Joso,
David Rea,
Eric Hoard, (Both David and Eric backed up Ian & Sylvia)
               (David backed up everyone)
Josh White Jr.,
Big John McManaman, (of the York County Boys)
Merrick Jarrett,
Terry Whelan (although his singing partner, Gord Lightfoot became
               quite famous, Terry is still relatively unknown.)

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Oct 19 - 05:36 PM

PETE AND MARION GREY.Anybody remember them

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,anon xx
Date: 21 Jan 22 - 01:04 PM

@royH

i don’t know if you’re still interested, but i actually do know what happened to the haverim boys (well one of them) - martin shoben is my grandad. if anyone has any old videos of his performances i’d be eternally grateful - i’m looking for one for his 85th birthday…he recently found a copy of a gig he did in ‘63 and was so happy so i’m looking for another if anyoen has any information?

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: GUEST,John from "Elsie`s Band"
Date: 22 Jan 22 - 10:42 AM

I haven`t any recordings but I do remember we booked The Haverim at "The Railway Tavern", Catford, SE London circa 1965/6.

Subject: RE: Little known '60s Folk Singers
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 23 Jan 22 - 03:44 PM

Sorry to report but RoyH (Burl) Roy Harris died in 2016.
The Haverim are featured on the complete series of Hullabaloo DVD which was released a couple of years ago.