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18 Oct 08 - 06:04 AM (#2468998) Subject: BS: adolfs party From: The Sandman NOTE FROM MUDERATOR: Captain, you are reminded that the following warning should accompany any such posts as this in the future........****chuckle****
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18 Oct 08 - 06:10 AM (#2469002) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: gnu I have spit my tea while laughing before, but that... I actually broke wind!!! I can hardly see to type through the tears!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA........ THANKS!!! |
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18 Oct 08 - 07:54 AM (#2469038) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: GUEST,number 6 brilliantly funny !!!! Certainly made my morning. Thanks for sharing this. biLL |
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18 Oct 08 - 08:04 AM (#2469044) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: jacqui.c Nice one! |
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18 Oct 08 - 11:42 AM (#2469175) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: RangerSteve beautiful. |
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18 Oct 08 - 01:17 PM (#2469237) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: artbrooks OK, so my German is the next best thing to nonexistent (limited to "wo ist der double-ve-ce" and "geben me eine beir, bitte"), but I assume that this is a clip from some old movie and the subtitles aren't the actual dialogue? |
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18 Oct 08 - 01:52 PM (#2469252) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: alanabit From what I coiuld make out - the sound quality was poor - the subtitles had nothing to do with the actual dialogue. It would have been better to leave off the sound track altogether. |
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18 Oct 08 - 03:39 PM (#2469317) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Beer Excellent and funny. Thanks Captain. Beer (adrien) |
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18 Oct 08 - 04:13 PM (#2469339) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: jeffp I imagine it was a clip from an old war movie and the subtitles were overlaid on the original subtitles. At a couple of points the dialogue you heard actually sounded a bit like what the subtitle said. I think it was essential to have the dialogue there because it conveyed the tone of the speaker to give life to the subtitles beyond that which the action did. I had to pause it partway through because of the pain from laughing so hard. |
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18 Oct 08 - 05:43 PM (#2469399) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Slag Obviously the crisis Adolf was dealing with in the original movie was the breakout in the "Battle of the Bulge" if you study the map closely. I seem to remember watching the movie at some point in my life. As for the captioned dialog there is one word which continued to re-occur which suggests the the captioner has a limited, if not bankrupt vocabulary. I've heard that there is a correlation between the act of sex and jazz and apparently Adolf was aware of this also (if "rock" is the music that equates with foreplay and "country" is post-coital then "jazz" is the act itself!). Elvis had to have been a small child when Hitler was in power and how he had heard of him, I don't know. Was Elvis precocious? Did his career begin at an earlier date? A sub-theme seems to be that Hitler did not care for the company of women, an indicator to some that indeed Hitler WAS the Anti-Christ. His casual use of blasphemy seems to bear this theme out, however his sexual fixation may have been for little boys and this would explain his desire for an Elvis impersonator. Was this clip funny? I wouldn't know. You see, I have DIAL-UP and it took me half an hour to view the the whole thing and as you know, timing is an important element of comedy. I hate dial-up. |
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18 Oct 08 - 05:55 PM (#2469408) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Bobert I don't get it... |
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18 Oct 08 - 06:38 PM (#2469422) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk Boy. Not a happy camper, eh? But, look, it's a perfectly understandable reaction. If I were in Hitler's place I think I would have reacted in pretty much the same way, given the situation. It's intolerable to have to listen to a damn jazz band when the whole country is falling apart before your eyes. Unforgivable! |
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18 Oct 08 - 06:47 PM (#2469425) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk By the way, I don't think that's a reaction to events in the Battle of the Bulge, I think it's a scene in the Berlin Bunker very near the end, as Hitler's final fantasies of a successful defence of the city collapse into dust. He speaks of Steiner's unit, and someone informs him that Steiner's unit is no longer operable or something to that effect. Then he blows up completely. He also looks in such terrible shape that I think it must be a depiction of a time very near the final collapse in Berlin. |
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18 Oct 08 - 07:19 PM (#2469445) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Big Al Whittle I think it was from Downfall - the film about the last days in the bunker - quite a recent film. Yes it was funny with the subtitles. |
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18 Oct 08 - 07:26 PM (#2469449) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk I think you've got it right, that it was a scene from the movie "Downfall". |
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18 Oct 08 - 09:48 PM (#2469554) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Donuel It reminds me of McCain's legendary anger. |
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18 Oct 08 - 10:09 PM (#2469574) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk Here's the link to info about the movie: Der Untergang (the Downfall) It's almost certainly the finest and most realistic film ever made about Adolf Hitler. |
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18 Oct 08 - 10:50 PM (#2469596) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: katlaughing Hmmm...I don't either, Bobert. Really didn't seem that funny. Slag, you're right...Elvis didn't hit big until the 50s. |
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19 Oct 08 - 12:48 AM (#2469639) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: GUEST,number 6 Who cares what movie it was from, or the timing if Elvis, or any of this analysis to paralysis of this U-Tube clip (leave the useless analysis to the U.S. election threads) ... just take this as it is ... an incredibly funny skit. biLL |
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19 Oct 08 - 05:40 AM (#2469738) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: GUEST,Volgadon The Elvis impersonator was there as a joke, if you are going on about how improbable that is, why weren't you phased by the fact that jazz had been BANNED by Hitler for at least a decade? It's a fun clip, no need to analyze it. |
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19 Oct 08 - 04:41 PM (#2470197) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: gnu Just watching Yankee football. Brought to me by adverts by Mercedes Benz. That's Jazzy. Elvis bought lots of them when he was stationed in Germany with the armed forces. |
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20 Oct 08 - 11:08 AM (#2470760) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Teribus The same clip has been used over and over again with different subtitles to convey different things, the funniest are supposed to be a portayal of the recent goings on concerning ownership at Newcastle United Football Club. |
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20 Oct 08 - 11:17 AM (#2470768) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: wysiwyg Buddy Rich had nothing on Hitler. I like how this video diminishes Hitler. At first it just made me terribly uncomfortable to see his image used for ANYthing, but then I kind of liked seeing him smallified. ~S~ |
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20 Oct 08 - 12:11 PM (#2470829) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Wolfgang It wasn't funny at all until I realised (after more than half of the clip) that I should turn down the volume to zero and only read the subtitles. Wolfgang |
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20 Oct 08 - 12:18 PM (#2470837) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Wolfgang Elvis of course was an additional joke. If the subtitles would have been in German, Hitler might have asked for Heino instead of Elvis, also with no temporal overlap in their careers. Look at the faces of the bystanders when Hitler asks for Elvis.... Wolfgang |
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20 Oct 08 - 12:35 PM (#2470861) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Will Fly Wonderful - the bit about the banjo really cracked me up. Will (banjo player) |
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20 Oct 08 - 12:43 PM (#2470876) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: The Fooles Troupe "I like how this video diminishes Hitler. At first it just made me terribly uncomfortable to see his image used for ANYthing, but then I kind of liked seeing him smallified." Which is why Charlie Chaplin made the Great Dictator in 1940... Interesting that the Yanks (many of whom SUPPORTED Hitler) them accused him of being "Anti-American" .... :-) |
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20 Oct 08 - 01:32 PM (#2470922) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk Any movie which is subtle and intelligent enough to get past the well-known stereotypical image of some larger-than-life hero OR villain from history, and provide a glimpse into the frailties of the real human being is definitely worth seeing. This could apply to a film about anyone...Hitler, Julius Caesar, Stalin, Churchill, G.W. Bush, Napoleon, Saddam Hussein, Emiliano Zapata, Wild Bill Hickock, FDR, Lucky Luciano, Pretty Boy Floyd...anyone. The strength of this movie was that it succeeded in showing the multi-faceted and ultimately tragic person as well as the great symbolic evil monster that has been put before us all ever since the day we were born. His rule and regime were monstrous. He was a fatally flawed and deeply misguided human being, with...as with all human beings...strengths and weaknesses...good qualities and bad qualities. The bad qualities in him ended up dominating him and winning out over the good ones. The bad qualities in him brought his nation to utter disaster and killed millions of innocent people. That is tragedy on an absolutely grand level, and you sense that as you watch the film. ***** As a handy device for the kind of joke done in the video it works great...unless you understand German. Then you would have to do what Wolfgang did and turn the sound done, and that sort of loses at least half the humorous effect, unfortunately. |
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20 Oct 08 - 02:30 PM (#2470976) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: gnu Yes... I was tempted to turn down the volume, but, the rage in the voice made it for me. |
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20 Oct 08 - 02:37 PM (#2470984) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk Definitely the icing on the cake, isn't it? ;-D That German actor who played Adolf did one hell of a fine job. You really feel like you are there, watching it. I'm very glad I wasn't. |
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20 Oct 08 - 04:57 PM (#2471122) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: PoppaGator Count me among those who didn't get a laugh out of this. NOt even a little chuckle. At the first mention of "jazz band," I began expecting something clever or unexpected, but was disappointed. There's nothing clever or unexpected about Hitler disliking jazz, of course. Nor is there anything particularly witty about depicting Hitler as an ill-tempered windbag. Like, really, what else is new? The kind of punch-line I was hopefully anticipating never materialized, and I got awfully tired of waiting for something. |
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20 Oct 08 - 05:05 PM (#2471130) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: GUEST,number 6 I thought the line "don't worry he may find some of the drum solos fun" was incredibly hilarious! Geez maybe you should try to "rock out" Poppa G. :) biLL |
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20 Oct 08 - 05:08 PM (#2471135) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk PG - Hitler was not demostrating the actions of an ill-tempered windbag in that scene. He was demonstrating something far more serious than that. The scene is set in the last days in the bunker in a dying Berlin. He was a man at the last stages of despair, rage, and mental breakdown, having seen his entire regime collapsing about him like a deck of cards after 5 years of total war. Picture G.W.Bush in a similar situation...hunkered down in some underground command centre in the ruins of Washington, with foreign troops only blocks away, with his army, navy, and air force obliterated and his whole country smashed, and his every political hope dashed to pieces...and only capture, trial, and execution awaiting him. Do you really think a man in that circumstance, a man accustomed to having commanded a mighty empire, is going to remain calm, lucid, dignified, and entirely the master of himself and his situation? It is petty to remark upon the scene as depicting Hitler as an ill-tempered windbag. It's as if you don't comprehend what's going on in the film at all. A national tragedy was occurring on a simply vast and incomprehensible basis. If you were in something like that yourself, you'd never forget it. That's why the Germans had to make that movie, and they had to get it right. There is a point when people are ready to face the memories and process the pain. |
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20 Oct 08 - 08:20 PM (#2471307) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Cluin Stop, LG! You're killin' me. (Whew!) My side hurts. |
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20 Oct 08 - 08:42 PM (#2471325) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Charley Noble No, it didn't translate as funny for me either, over here on the other side of the Great Pond. Maybe it was all the shouting. Maybe if they had mentioned "folk music" instead of "jazz." Oh, well, maybe I'll find a funnier thread somewhere else. Charley Noble |
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21 Oct 08 - 02:07 AM (#2471498) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: michaelr The actor playing Hitler is the supremely talented, Swiss-born Bruno Ganz, best known for his starring role as an angel in Wim Wenders' "Wings of Desire". |
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21 Oct 08 - 10:30 AM (#2471784) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk He certainly does a convincing portrayal of the enfeebled Hitler in his final dementia. It's chilling to watch. |
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21 Oct 08 - 05:09 PM (#2472157) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: PoppaGator I guess it's just a matter of taste, and there's no point in reiterating my reaction, BUT... I response to LH, let me just defend my position my pointing out that I never had a problem with the original film about Hitler that was used as the basis for this, er, parody (or whatever it is). What leaves me cold is the attempted humor of the adaptation (or whatever) created by adding captions to the original film. And I certainly don't take the position that Hitler was only an "ill-termpered windbag." He was all that and more, of course ~ although, in the context of this portrayal of him as a person losing his grip over the choice of entertainment at his birthday party, I though it might be safe to omit discussion of his more serious failings. |
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21 Oct 08 - 05:34 PM (#2472180) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk Yes, I understand you. The original film is a darned good one. The parody...well, some people would find it funny and some wouldn't. It's strictly a matter of personal taste. I thought the line about the banjo was really classic. As a musician, I find it funny. As a history buff, the whole thing is a bit incongruous, of course, but only if you decide to take it seriously. If you're offended by all the bad language, then you wouldn't find it funny at all. |
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21 Oct 08 - 06:48 PM (#2472248) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: GUEST,number 6 LH ... Curious where you saw the docu drama "Downfall". It has been making the rounds on the History and Documentary channels but I've never recalled seeing it advertized on the Cineplex or whatever chains.In fact I don't think it ever would on the mainstream theatre show tour. Unless of course you saw it at an indy showing. That's one thing I miss about T.O. biLL |
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21 Oct 08 - 11:51 PM (#2472444) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk I can't remember where I saw it, but it may have been on TV. I think probably so. I very seldom watch TV at all, but I would have made an exception for that one, because the historical period interests me greatly. |
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22 Oct 08 - 08:25 PM (#2473297) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: GUEST,number 6 I'm with ya on that one L.H. in regards to T.V. I was wondering if they are now showing indy type films in Orillia ... I had a touch of yearning nostalgia in regards to an old theatre that showed these type of films when we lived down in the Beach (Toronto). biLL |
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22 Oct 08 - 09:53 PM (#2473340) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: Little Hawk They show such films very occasionally at the old theatre downtown. I think once a month. I saw "The Motorcycle Diaries" (about Che Guevara in his youth) at one of those film nights. It was a good movie. |
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22 Oct 08 - 09:54 PM (#2473342) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: GUEST,number 6 Saw that too L.H ... excellent movie. Che was an intriguing figure in history. biLL |
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23 Oct 08 - 07:30 AM (#2473563) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: The Fooles Troupe "Detractors may wish to note that the (chromatic) Harmonica is the ONLY free-reed instrument to be admitted to the classical Orchestra." Hmmm Woody Allen - Tiger Lily.... :-) |
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23 Oct 08 - 08:35 AM (#2473632) Subject: RE: BS: adolfs party From: GUEST,number 6 "Tiger Lily" excellent of you to mention that movie in this thread Fooles!!!! Woody Allen took one of those goofy Japanese monster flicks and turned it into a comedy with English subtitles completely removed from the plot and story of the original. The Loving Spoonful did the title soundtrack to that movie. biLL |