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26 Sep 00 - 07:45 PM (#306139) Subject: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: RedCelt Hey All, I've spent my first lovely week here popping in and out of the cafe. (In-bloody-credible place, by the by...) I've found lots of lovely Gaelic songs, but I think I sprained my jaw butchering the pronunciations. Does anyone have a good source for phonetically spelled words, phrases or songs for those of us who haven't (yet) been able to squeeze in time for a language class? I've a good ear, and can do well with words after hearing them, and can do better than fair with good phonetics; but the few "simplified rules" I've found for Gaelic pronunciations have more conflicts that a theolgical debate. Thanks All, (and at the risk of misspelling what I've only heard) Slan Go Fioll Jeff |
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26 Sep 00 - 08:00 PM (#306154) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Ciamar a tha thu, mo charaid? (How are you, my friend?) Well, it's not an easy question you pose. Is it Scottish Gaelic (aka Gaelic) or Irish Gaelic (aka Irish) which you are interested in? Each of these languages have their own regional dialects as well. You might find a site giving some Gaelic pronunciation, but they would or should be specifying the dialect they are describing. |
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26 Sep 00 - 08:14 PM (#306163) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: RedCelt The day tried hard, but I think I got the better of it. Thanks for asking and thanks for posting. I know I asked a thesis level question, but I'm looking for an off-the-cuff primer level answer. If someone points and says "Go that-a-way" I'll be happy... I'm easy..(and gullible...) I've found mainly Irish Gaelic that I'm interested in puzzling out, but am having a bit of trouble with finding good sites and the like. I've found at least a couple in the past that seemed knowledgeable enough, but then quickly fell to giving conflicting info. Starting from ground zero, I don't know enough to tell which is correct, or even if I'm reading it wrong and they don't disagree at all. If anyone has a site that they can vouch for, or *gasp! the ananchronism! * a paper and ink book to recommend, or even just wants to throw a few phrases out... I'd appreciate it Jeff |
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26 Sep 00 - 08:25 PM (#306166) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: death by whisky I wasn't much of a student. Idont have Irish.Weve recently moved (for me back)to Ireland. Anyway,this year my son has brought back his first Irish reading book. I vaguely remember some of the pronunciations,my wife isn't Irish,so how do we help him with his homework? Basically,he is now our teacher in the subject. |
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26 Sep 00 - 10:20 PM (#306229) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: Seamus Kennedy Death By Uisce Beatha, in all things Irish, consult our Áine. Ray, I've sent you a PM in the personals. All the best Seamus |
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26 Sep 00 - 11:01 PM (#306256) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: Áine Dear Jeff, Here are some (I think) helpful URLs where you can find some help and/or resources: One of the pages on my own website The resource and reference page of my local Conradh na Gaeilge (Gaelic League) A Beginner's Guide to Irish Pronunciation. (Note: This is a guide to the Ulster dialect, for the most part, which is very different from the other dialects in Irish) I do hope that helps you a bit. If you need any other suggestions, please let me know. Slán go fóill, Áine (agus a Shéamuis, an bhfuair tú mo theachtaireacht le mo sheoladh?) |
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27 Sep 00 - 12:22 PM (#306596) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: RedCelt Slainte Aine, Thanks for the pointers, I've only glanced at them, as I am at work, but at first glance they look great. Looking at your page, I realized that I've met you before, at least in passing. I'm also in the DFW metro, and have worked with NTIF for about 9 years. all told. I look forward to seeing you again sometime. Thanks again. Slan Go Foill (thanks for the spelling correction there, as well!) Jeff |
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27 Sep 00 - 02:04 PM (#306678) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: JTT You could also try the Gaeilge-B maillist: http://paml.net/groups.G/gaeilge-b.html This is for people learning Irish, and they'll be helpful to you in your search for a good "blas". |
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27 Sep 00 - 03:29 PM (#306750) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: Peg I learned Donegal dialect, took two semesters of Modern Irish and Modern Gaelic at Harvard (auditing, BTW, just was ballsy enough to ask if I could sit in, felt like slumming, but the opposite, if you know what I mean). I would be happy to help if I can. One of the most useful things is to listen to recordings of Gaelic and Irish speakers while reading along. Same with listening to songs, while looking at the lyrics. But it is also helpful to have the basic pronunciation before doing this, so maybe one of those books on tape (Teach Yourself Gaelic books come with tapes) might help?
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27 Sep 00 - 03:58 PM (#306771) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: Amergin Here's a link for some lessons....It looks pretty good, but I haven't had time to study and learn it myself of late....Irish Lessons Amergin |
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28 Sep 00 - 01:14 AM (#307145) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: Seamus Kennedy A Áine, a ghrá mo stóir mo chroí, fuair mé do theachtaireacht le do sheoladh, go raibh míle maith agat. Tá mé ar meisce anois, "i mbits," mar a deir siad i mBéal Feirste, ach beidh mé go maith sa maidín. Oíche mhaith, agus don't let the flesh borers eat into your Achilles tendons in the dark and leave unable to lep out of the leaba when you wake. Slán Seamus |
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28 Sep 00 - 01:16 AM (#307147) Subject: RE: Gaelic help for the wannabe From: Brendy Coladh samh, a Sheamáis. Breandán |