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08 Apr 03 - 05:17 PM (#928955) Subject: Need a simple Welsh song From: Penny S. One of my colleagues is leaving the school at the end of a long spell teaching, and we want to do something special for him. He is Welsh (I think from Pontardawe originally), so I wondered if we could teach the children a simple Welsh song to sing for him. He was at one time our maths coordinator, so a counting song might be a good idea. Or might there be one with a goodbye theme? He has most recently been teaching children with learning difficulties, so, if we are to include them, it needs to be very simple indeed. We have two more Welsh teachers who could help with the pronunciation. I have words and music to one called "Migildi, Magildi" (sp?), and have heard that the meaning of "Sospan Vach" is child suitable - but the tune isn't, I think. Any help? Penny |
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08 Apr 03 - 06:25 PM (#929006) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: BanjoRay How about Clychau Aberdyfi - The Bells of Aberdovey? It's got lots of counting. You can find it here Cheers Ray |
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08 Apr 03 - 06:51 PM (#929030) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: McGrath of Harlow I don't suppose Cosher Bailey would be quite what you're looking for... |
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08 Apr 03 - 07:17 PM (#929056) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: GUEST,Jon Try counting goats It gets fun when the colours get to things like "navy blue" instead of "wen" (white) and gets faster. Jon |
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08 Apr 03 - 09:05 PM (#929132) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Blackcatter Wouldn't most of the songs about the simple Welsh be from the English tradition? |
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08 Apr 03 - 09:29 PM (#929138) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Gareth Kevin, Oi! I thought Cosher Bailey was my standing joke -BG- But Counting the Goats is an excellent idea. Or there is this one Click 'Ere Gareth |
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09 Apr 03 - 08:56 AM (#929446) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Mr Red what about the Kipper song? "We'll Kipper Welcome in the Hillside, We'll Kipper Welcome in the Vales......" And you could sing it "All Through the Night" I'll get my coat...... |
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09 Apr 03 - 03:15 PM (#929789) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Nigel Parsons Mr Red: don't bother getting your coat, after that comment you'll not be welcome anywhere (let alone in the hillsides) Nigel |
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09 Apr 03 - 03:24 PM (#929798) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Penny S. Thanks for the suggestions so far - I do like the goats. I forgot to mention the children are primary age. They'll need to learn by heart, so that structure is good. (Being simple English and other non-Welsh sorts, I don't think it would be a good idea to confuse them with the phonetic Welsh orthography.) And, Kevin, I hadn't thought of Cosher Bailey, as I was thinking of singing in Welsh, not a Welsh song, but I think that has promise, with good selection of the verses. He did used to play rugby. Penny |
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09 Apr 03 - 03:43 PM (#929819) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: GUEST,Jon Penny, I moved from Shropshire to N Wales when I was about 7, moving to Tunbridge Wells when asbout 13. I learnt a bit of Welsh in school but never understood the "counting goats" song I mentioned above. I can assure you that as an English only speaking primary school kid in a school in Wales that I loved that song. I could make noises that sounded right and had had fun with it. Jon |
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09 Apr 03 - 04:12 PM (#929856) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Penny S. Jon, it wasn't the goats I thought too much for the primary children - they look exactly the right sort of thing. And I remember hearing it sung, too. I'm going to try and get my teaching niece in Newport with the Welsh partner to find me a recording. And music for our pianist. Cosher Bailey I can manage, 'cos it isn't in the language, and I've sung it when at college, which will give me some advantage. Penny |
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09 Apr 03 - 04:40 PM (#929880) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: sian, west wales I've got a spare copy of Caneuon Gwerin i Blant (Folk Songs for Children) that I can send you if you want to PM your surface mail address. Dau Gi Bach (Two Wee Dogs) is an easy one. Also, Can y Melinydd has a whole thread here somewhere, and I think we did an English translation as well as a tune. Don't have time to search it out just now, and I haven't checked to see if it's made it into the DT yet. We were working on it ... end of last year? sian |
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09 Apr 03 - 05:53 PM (#929933) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Snuffy June to August 2002 Siân. The last of three threads is Can y Melinydd- Final Take |
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09 Apr 03 - 10:14 PM (#930090) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: GUEST,leeneia Penny, go to this site http://www.fastdesign.com/music/welsh/arlanymor.htm and listen to the background, which is Ar Lan y Mor. You can get Welsh Mudcatters to help you with the pronunciation if you like the song. |
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10 Apr 03 - 07:20 AM (#930325) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: MC Fat 'I remember ewe' |
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11 Apr 03 - 07:27 AM (#931006) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: GUEST,Penny |
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11 Apr 03 - 07:34 AM (#931008) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: GUEST,Penny S. (elsewhere) School nanny program won't let me in to Can y Melinydd! I like the tune of Ar Lan y Mor. Should have mentioned - the departing Welshman is the only one who cannot sing! penny |
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11 Apr 03 - 09:06 AM (#931060) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Snuffy See if this one has less offensive material Lyr Add: Can y melenydd; Eng/Welsh |
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11 Apr 03 - 11:07 AM (#931156) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: GUEST,Penny S. (elsewhere) Snuffy, apparently not. Access Denied all over it! I'll look when I get home. But should I be doing a song which triggers such responses? Penny |
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11 Apr 03 - 04:56 PM (#931367) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Penny S. Ah ha. Sussed. It is the male hen which has triggered nanny. Oh dear. I shall look into this further - it looks good. Penny |
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26 Jun 03 - 05:27 PM (#972931) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Penny S. I thought you might like an update on this. We have taught the children the song about counting goats. We, that is me, Mrs Davies, Mrs Wynne, Mrs Jones, Mrs Lewis, and the pianist, who does not have a Welsh name, but is. Why did I think there were only two - Counting Teachers, it should be. Anyway, they have been taught by rote, never introducing them to the intricacies of Welsh orthography, and they are brilliant! Just tell them once that in verse two, all the "wen"s become "ddu"s, and they're away. (Except for a few who miss the "Ystlys wen a chynffon" change.) As for speeding up... wonderful. and, "can we sing it again?" they say. I can see coach trips getting very goatridden. We have a white goat, a black goat, a pink goat, a blue goat and a red one. These little estuarine speaker can even handle the mutation of "pinc" to "binc" - though I can't imagine that it would be possible to sing a "p" in the positions where it is mutated - it has to be "b". So many thanks for help, especially Sian who sent us the music. I may be able to send her a recording. I think we should do more of this. And of all the songs that might be going round in my head without stop "Oes gafr eto" is far from the worst. Penny |
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26 Jun 03 - 06:46 PM (#972972) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: Gareth And reading your roll of teachers reminds me of the old Welsh saying. "There are two ways out of the Valleys, Teaching, or Preaching !" Gareth " Oh!, Cosher went to Oxbridge, For to take matriculation, But he met a pretty barmaid. And he never left the Station." "Have you ever saw, .. etc" |
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27 Jun 03 - 07:18 AM (#973213) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: GUEST,Penny S. We used to say in Dartford, that the whole country tilted westwards at the start of the holidays, when the young Welsh teachers went home. There were more men then, though, and a good many head teachers (who didn't go west, being more settled). The change in the demographics has affected a lot of things - fewer Methodists in the Union, for instance, has changed that level of political argument. Penny |
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27 Jun 03 - 11:09 AM (#973320) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: fsharpdim7 My daughter in Oregon says she would like to teach some Welsh to her three-year old girl. Can anyone suggest some book/cd combinations that would be good for that age? For her birthday, I got her (and Mom) a mini-dulcimer with about 12 notes in the key of D, so song books with melody notation would be really great too. Diolch yn fawr, Chris in Chicago |
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29 Jun 03 - 12:04 PM (#974226) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: sian, west wales Chris, Mudiad Ysgolion Meithrin (Welsh Nursery Schools Movement) would know the best resources. There's a contact form on their website here sian |
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02 Jul 03 - 10:28 AM (#975150) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: fsharpdim7 Sian, thanks for the recommendation. The MYM had 2 book/cd combos that I ordered - one by Curiad and the other a re-release by Mynediad am Ddim. I hope to have the three-year old singing in Welsh by Dydd Nadolig, a fo eto. Chris |
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22 Jul 03 - 11:07 AM (#988131) Subject: RE: Need a simple Welsh song From: GUEST,Penny S. Final feedback. We sang the song for Mr. Pipe today, and it sounded really good and was much appreciated. It has been taped, and there will be a copy enclosed when I return Sian's materials to her. We had a row of coloured goats who bobbed up and down as appropriate - Y6 also put goats on Mr Pipe's leaving card. He received this befoe the song was sung, and a curious look passed over his face. The other cards had been fairly self explanatory - Welsh flags, cricket kit, but goats? He joined in as we sang...possibly relieved. Penny |