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17 Apr 05 - 01:43 AM (#1463331) Subject: BS: BIG BOATS From: open mike i once sailed in the caribbean on a 4 masted clipper ship. I think it was 360 feet long, and had at least 2 maybe 3 swimming pools. We gopt to climb up in the rigging...way, way, up above the ocean. ths ship the Royal Clipper is half again as long, with 5 masts. http://www.starclippers.com/ships_rc.html |
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17 Apr 05 - 01:50 AM (#1463334) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: CarolC Woah... I bet that was fun! Biggest boats I've ever been on were ferries. I've spent a lot of time in canoes and some time in small open sailboats though. Tons of fun. |
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17 Apr 05 - 06:44 AM (#1463391) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Leadfingers HMS Bulwark - Royal (Real?) Navy Commando Carrier - Lovely jolly from Singapore via Hog Kong to Kobe (Japan) to visit Expo 7o at the Governments expense . 22000 tons of grey painted rust ! Not many RAF bods have drawn their tot !! And I found the place to buy my D35 in Hong Kong !! |
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17 Apr 05 - 07:51 AM (#1463429) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: kendall At the risk of being thought a pedantic, ships are not boats, and boats are not ships. If you get confused, think of it this way, a ship can carry a boat but a boat can not carry a ship. |
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17 Apr 05 - 09:32 AM (#1463476) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Rapparee So my Navy friend was wrong when, referring the the USS Nimitz (CV 68), to which he was then assigned, he said, "I'd better get back to the boat"? |
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17 Apr 05 - 10:38 AM (#1463517) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Liz the Squeak 'I think we're going to need a bigger boat'! LTS |
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17 Apr 05 - 12:04 PM (#1463576) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Celtaddict I am sure there are both definitions and traditions involved in "ship" vs. "boat" but members of the U.S. Navy do routinely refer to the ship on which they themselves serve as "the Boat." It seems like a term of familiarity, almost a nickname, to call a ship a boat. This does go as far as the senior enlisted member of the crew being referred to as the COB, the Chief of the Boat. |
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17 Apr 05 - 01:15 PM (#1463632) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: open mike what about Jo9hn's curry ship--does it float? i picture it like the Balclutha...with a kitchen. tied to it's mooring and fixing take out food. There's another term...when canoeing, kayaking or inner tubing you start at the put in and end at the take out.....right? |
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17 Apr 05 - 01:50 PM (#1463651) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Terry K There's a coincidence! I'll be on the "Star Clipper" in the Mediterranean in September. It's 115 metres long and carries 170 passengers, though they like to say "guests". The "Star Flyer" is the identical sister ship and the "Royal Clipper" is the latest and biggest (134 metres) addition to the fleet. cheers, Terry |
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17 Apr 05 - 02:31 PM (#1463672) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Strollin' Johnny Gin Palaces! Try a voyage with the STA on either of their Brigs 'Prince William' or 'Stavros S. Niarchos', where you ARE the crew working the ship on deck, handling sails aloft etc. etc. Or even better, take a trip with the Jubilee Sailing Trust on one of their two ships 'Tenacious' or 'Lord Nelson' and work alongside disabled crew-members. That's real tall-ship sailing for you. S:0) |
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17 Apr 05 - 04:51 PM (#1463777) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: GUEST,Shanghaiceltic In the RN being in boats referred to being a submariner. And we used to say there were only two types of ships, submarines and targets. |
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17 Apr 05 - 06:48 PM (#1463839) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: wildlone I shall be aboard a Man of War on June the 28th in Portsmouth as there is going to be a re-enactment of Trafalgar. Trafalgar Festival I have also fought on board the tall ship Astrid at Weymouth. I will be going to France by ferry on the 17th of June to take part in the battle of Waterloo. dave |
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17 Apr 05 - 08:28 PM (#1463915) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: kendall Submarines are called boats, even the Germans called them "Das Boot" Iv'e never heard a sailor call his ship a boat (unless he was in a submarine) |
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17 Apr 05 - 11:22 PM (#1463999) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: open mike say hi to napoleon for me. yes it was on the star clipper i sailed...to see the total solar eclipse in '98 off of Guadalupe. trip of a lifetime!! the barefoot sailing adventures sound good too, smaller craft, friendlier group. Jubilee sounds great, too! hey, kendall how's your boat? |
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17 Apr 05 - 11:31 PM (#1464002) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Bobert Well, gol danged... Sho nuff beats out the 27 foot Oday I use to crew on..... Bobert |
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18 Apr 05 - 12:23 AM (#1464026) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Shanghaiceltic We also referred to those on surface ships as being 'skimmers' The biggest boats I served on were the repeat Valiant SSN's, also served in a couple of SSK's (conventional boats-deisal electric. The smallest boat I ever went on was a deep sea recovery submarine, designed to rescue crew from a downed boat. Tiny, cramped and very 'cosy'. Largest sailing ship I ever crewed was the Winston Churchill and the smallest a tiny Drascombe lugger which a friend persuaded me to go sailing across the Solent in mid-winter just to have a beer in Ryde. Stupid idea as it was bitter cold, blowing a bastard and the lugger was open to all weather apart from a sort of dog house affair in the bows. |
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18 Apr 05 - 12:28 AM (#1464031) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: GUEST they all can sink |
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18 Apr 05 - 06:11 AM (#1464144) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Leadfingers But what ever size it is , a boat is a hole in the water into which you pour money ! |
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18 Apr 05 - 06:46 AM (#1464159) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: kendall I sold my boat. She still needs work and I'm just not up to it. |
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18 Apr 05 - 07:10 AM (#1464177) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: GUEST,Mingulay at work Terry> with a boat you constantly hope that it is a hole in the water, and not water in the hole. I dread a flooded basement. |
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18 Apr 05 - 08:04 AM (#1464211) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Rapparee I let the guy call it whatever he wanted, Kendall. He was an Admiral and it was his flagship, so I figured "What the hell?" and assumed that he knew more about it that I, a mere ex-Infantryman, did. I don't usually associate with Admirals. More like the stewards and the black hole gang. |
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18 Apr 05 - 09:04 AM (#1464262) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: EBarnacle As long as we're being pedantic, If it ain't got 3 or more masts, all rigged with square sail, it ain't a ship. Powered vessels are just that. |
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19 Apr 05 - 01:38 AM (#1465001) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Terry K Strollin Johnny used the term "gin palaces" as a term of derision for Star Clipper. I actually like palaces and am rather good at gin, so it sounds like I'll be in exactly the right place! If I want rope-pulling and wet-getting I simply stick to my own gaff-rigged sloop. The in-between is chartering a 40 footer in the Greek Islands(There's a white one, and a white one, and a white one, and a white one, and they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same - credit to SK8), and I'm afraid I do that too. There's more than one way of enjoying being on the water. cheers, Terry |
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19 Apr 05 - 07:53 AM (#1465179) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Strollin' Johnny Saddo! :0) |
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19 Apr 05 - 08:31 AM (#1465218) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Rapparee I do small ships, and I do bigger ships, and I'll do clipper ships, submarines, motorboats, rowboats, canoes, aircraft carriers, battleships, and freighters, but I won't sail on a garbage scow (just an example). |
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19 Apr 05 - 09:20 PM (#1465970) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: kendall Sloop...one mast brig two masts, both square rigged hemaphrodite brig...formast square rigged, main mast fore and aft rigged. Schooner..two, three four or even 5 masts all fore and aft rigged. Ship... three or more masts all square rigged Barque (Bark)... three masts, fore main square rigged, mizzen mast fore and aft rigged. Barquentine fore mast square rigged, main and mizzen fore and aft. |
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19 Apr 05 - 09:27 PM (#1465975) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Rapparee So, what kind of elegant craft is it that has 23 masts rigged fore-and-aft? |
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20 Apr 05 - 12:05 AM (#1466052) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Celtaddict Irish Rover aside, I am still boggling over the hermaphrodite brig; why should those poor folks with genetic/developmental flukes be locked up? Sorry. Thanks for the definitions, Kendall. And I may not have made it plain. In the U.S. Navy, from 14 years active duty in San Diego, Keflavik (Iceland), and Groton (all of which have plenty of subs but surface vessels too), I did not hear sailors refer to ships as boats, but commonly they refer to the specific one on which they serve as The Boat. Sort of like The Old Man or The Old Lady I suppose, and clearly a term of familiarity, as distinct from more formal references. |
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20 Apr 05 - 06:38 AM (#1466195) Subject: RE: BS: BIG BOATS From: Donuel I used to model ships that ranged from 1-5 feet long. The rigging was always the most tedious part. |