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19 Mar 06 - 05:45 PM (#1698109) Subject: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: GUEST,Art Thieme This may be completely off the mark, but after looking at the amazing photos of various nebulae at the Astronomy Picture Of The Day website, I see amazing similarities between those views of cosmic star-forming----ultimately nova-producing machinations and what I see happening inside the enclosed space of our venerable old Lava Lamp!! Given the huge amounts of "space" inherent in space, as opposed to the limited space in the lamp, I still feel like I am seeing a speeded up and much simplified science project diorama of those celestial dynamic happenings. The forces at hand produce "round" globules quite like the round forms of planets, moons and stars. There are many other things formed that are irregular like unusually formed moons and comets and meteoric rocks that could be the results of collisions. To you physicists out there, does comparing the two happenings in my analogy have any validity at all? Art Thieme |
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19 Mar 06 - 06:06 PM (#1698123) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: GUEST,leeneia I'm not a physcicist, but I don't think there's much similarity. A lava lamp is simpler, having only two materials, the liquid and the blobs. And its motion is up and down, rather than rotating. Nonetheless, thanks for the link to the site. I've put it on my favorites. |
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19 Mar 06 - 06:10 PM (#1698128) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: frogprince Don't you get it, Art? All those alleged pictures of phenomenom in deep space are actually close-ups of lava lamps; it's all a con by atheistic (nothing personal) scientists. The "cosmos" is really kind of a shell (the bible calls it a "firmament") around the earth, with little star-things stuck in it. |
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19 Mar 06 - 06:14 PM (#1698131) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: lady penelope Mmmm, you've not seen the new pictures of the "double helix" nebula then?...... |
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19 Mar 06 - 06:15 PM (#1698133) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: The Fooles Troupe Was watching an interview once that had been shot in front of a lava lamp. It had just been switched on at the start of the interview, and you could tell that they had cut the scenes out of the order in which they were shot! |
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19 Mar 06 - 06:21 PM (#1698139) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Peace http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html |
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19 Mar 06 - 09:57 PM (#1698250) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: GUEST,Art Thieme Oh, you guys...! PLEASE, check out the March 14th photo. This globule's head has blown off just like a a globule in my lava lamp when an embedded air bubble ruptures and jettisons the thing in the opposite direction. The similarities are just too obvious. The galaxy it was about to devour (also in the photo) would've caused it's little tummy to rupture so the globule HAD TO blow it's own brains out to get away---not unlike certain sea creatures that push out water at amazing rates of speed. Kind of like warp drive!! ------ It's self preservation--all over again! Thanks for all your help!!! (With friends like you, I don't need enemas!! ;-) Love, Art |
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19 Mar 06 - 10:39 PM (#1698271) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Peace Art, yer losin' it. That is the spitting image of the Cheshire cat that blew smoke rings in the Walt Disney feature-length cartoon. |
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19 Mar 06 - 11:45 PM (#1698286) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Bee-dubya-ell The processes at work in nebula formation and lava lamps are not similar. They are identical. Nebulae are nothing but the Galactic Overlord's version of lava lamps. And spiral galaxies are his/her/its version of toy tops. Black holes are sorta like huge cosmic Slinkies. You see, the Galactic Overlord gets bored pretty easily. He doesn't have a computer so he can't hang out at The Mudcat. |
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19 Mar 06 - 11:57 PM (#1698297) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: GUEST,Art Thieme Black holes are very similar to my old uncle's outhouse. When his well water tasted funny, the university there told him to either quit using the well or quit using the outhouse. He quit using the outhouse -- and 3 days later the well dried up.---Oh, the humanity! Art!!! |
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20 Mar 06 - 12:00 AM (#1698299) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Peace LOL |
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20 Mar 06 - 12:01 AM (#1698300) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Stilly River Sage Art, your lava lamp looks like it's doing a lot more than my lava lamp! When they first came out, I remember my mother remarking that the lava looked just like Dr. Seuss's "oobleck." That image has stuck ever since. Maybe the galaxies are simply oobleck also? SRS |
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20 Mar 06 - 12:04 AM (#1698304) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: The Fooles Troupe Lava Lamps are 'turbulence machines', in which energy flows. So far as I can tell, is the universe. |
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20 Mar 06 - 08:30 AM (#1698544) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: GUEST,Art Thieme YES. That's what I am pretty much saying. It's a tempest in a teapot!! ---Changed, yes, and some different because of the confined space in the lamp---but the laws of energy flowing are similar, if not exactly the same. And the laws of gravity and push-me-pull-you that make globules round in the lamp are the same as those that try to make planets and moons and stars into round globules. Like in the lamp, sometimes they fail and objects turn out differently (misshapen?). That's all I'm saying--seeing--when I say there are similarities. I might sound facetious, and I admit the premise is bizarre in a kindergaten-ish sort of way, but I'm serious too. Art |
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20 Mar 06 - 08:51 AM (#1698555) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Keith A of Hertford Surface tension does the job for liquids on a small scale that gravity does on the large scale. |
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20 Mar 06 - 08:56 AM (#1698560) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: GUEST,Art Thieme yet again... And my uncle's outhouse and well problems define that universal energy flow too... The outhouse, being larger than the Lava Lamp, and a stickier problem, is incrementally closer to the universal sizes we can view in the Astronomy Photo Of The Day site. It is simply amazing to me, and fantastic, that we can SEE stars forming out there---so far away---yet so close. Good people, get a Lava Lamp. Keep it on your own Kitchen Table like JJerry's where you can watch the machinations. It is also like in the film MEN IN BLACK: a galaxy is encased in a bauble attached to the collar of a cat. Art (pun intended) imitating a Lava Lamp imitating the forces of the universe = a rose is a rose is a rose! Art |
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20 Mar 06 - 01:04 PM (#1698775) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Donuel Art - to go a step further... Reinventing a lava lamp as a slowly spinning sphere and using elecricity instead of heat as the energy source as well as a material that would tend to remain in much smaller globs ( even microscopicly ) could produce some fantastic representations of the universe. S=Of course some of the many forces that would still be missing is the expansion of space, the addition of much more mass than is present (to mimic the unseen dimensions) and the pervasive repellent force that is some kind of anti gravity. The electric source (electrode) at the center and a positive charge at the perimeter of the sphere (as in a lattice of wires) would mimic our solar system quite well. All the planets comets etc in our solar system are acting lke capaciters. Geiven the right medium and a darkened room we maight even be able to detect a glow around certain particles in orbit within the "lava lamp the next generation" ...or at least some damn good kinetic art. Here is something you can try right away. Get a Q tip that with a bit of rubbing alcohol on one cotton end. Go into a totally dark closet and light the tip. Orbit the Q tip in a circle and then smaller faster circles. You will see a trailing glov of light behind the burning Q tip that looks too real to be a simple after image. It can even be made to orbit the Q tip like a moon if you do it just right. I discovered this phenomenon as a kid and still think its rather fascinating. |
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20 Mar 06 - 01:40 PM (#1698803) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Brass Monkey Meditating on the juxtaposition of said microcosm and the macrocosm in which we are suspended, we can become one with the lighted globules and forget all external differences. Only then can we truly realise the significance, as well as begin to appreciate the purpose of all light phenomena (such as the northern lights, stars, lighted matches and BBQs). Natural occurences and spherical inventions made by our own hand are one. They are revealing the next dimension where all is joy and vision. But then all new-borns know this. We are born all knowing, we displace our wisdom with trivialities such as politics, religion and differences of race and sex. |
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20 Mar 06 - 02:31 PM (#1698859) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Bill D bloorp |
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20 Mar 06 - 03:05 PM (#1698904) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Donuel Can you help Invent the Adult toy - Universe in a bottle. With an electro magnet at the center as well as a - electrode the particles, if slightly magnetic would tend to orbit nicely as the entire globe would turn. Does anyone know which light metals are slightly magnetic? Calcium, titanium, Sodium etc? Also the specific gravity of the (empty) medium and particles should be as close as possible to each other so they would distribute nicely and not just sink or float. If there was also a material that would represent gas that would be irridesent or glow in an electric field the effect could be super. I know that Sodium will glow brightly when stimulated with microwave. They use that process to imitate sunlight with 99% accuracy. Kids be the first on your block to turn on The Universe in a bottle. Art this could be way cool. |
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20 Mar 06 - 03:17 PM (#1698913) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Kaleea Uh, fellers, perhaps we shouldn't mention outhouse & black holes & bloorps & globs of matter in polite company? |
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20 Mar 06 - 03:24 PM (#1698922) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Stilly River Sage Donuel, did the fire department not mention to you the lack of wisdom in lighting that alcohol soaked Q-tip in a closet? Did you burn your mother's house down completely when you tried it? SRS |
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20 Mar 06 - 05:07 PM (#1699016) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: lady penelope "Besides, do you know how the universe began?" "No" "Well what you do is get a black marble bath - conical shape..." "Where from, Harrods was destroyed by the Vogons..?" "Doesn't matter... doesn't matter.....'cos what you do is fill it full of white sand or any white powder and then, and then, you get a camera and film it draining out....but the clever bit, the really clever bit, is you thread the film in the - camera - backwards........Great eh?" "And that's how the universe began?" "No, but it's a great way to break the ice....." |
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20 Mar 06 - 08:55 PM (#1699156) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: GUEST,Art Thieme You all have made this thread a grand adventure. Amazingly, we had a fire in our bathroom today! Got it out before it rached the house though... Art |
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20 Mar 06 - 09:15 PM (#1699172) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: frogprince So, whataya expect if you try to light flatula to see if the effect looks like cosmic nebulai ? |
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21 Mar 06 - 11:49 AM (#1699329) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Paul Burke Just be careful when you dispose of a lava lamp (or a galactic nebula). If it goes in the crusher, and releases the massive black hole in the centre, it could swallow up the Solar System before you could say Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitaetenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengessellschaft. |
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21 Mar 06 - 05:43 PM (#1699649) Subject: RE: nebula,star formation, and lava lamp??! From: Stilly River Sage On the other hand, Don, as long as you didn't let it get near anything combustible (on general principles), you could use your lavalamp in the closet. |
