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Lyr Req: Rose Connally / Rose Connelly DigiTrad: DOWN IN A WILLOW GARDEN HANGED I SHALL BE OXFORD CITY THE KNOXVILLE GIRL Related threads: Lyr Add: Hanged I Shall Be (34) (origins) Origins: Knoxville Girl (61) (DTStudy) DTStudy Murder Ballads with bloody noses (30) Lyr Req: The Wexford Girl (7) Penguin: Oxford City (4) (origins) Origin: Oxford Girl (Oysterband) (7) Info Request: Down in the Willow Garden (10) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose Connally / Rose Connelly From: Taconicus Date: 12 Jan 11 - 12:03 PM Urban myth, no doubt. In reality any drink drugged enough to incapacitate some burglars would also be strong enough to kill some of them. In the States, such a trap would be illegal, as would a deadfall or shotgun rigged to "get" an intruder without the owner's being there, and would result in a charge of murder against the homeowner regardless of the burglar's illegal intent and trespass. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose Connally / Rose Connelly From: Mike Yates Date: 12 Jan 11 - 11:46 AM I was once told by a lady from Belfast that there was such a thing as "burglar's wine". It was cheap plonk that was left in the kitchen when the house was empty. Any burglar would have found the wine, drunk it and, being incapable, would not have been able to burgle the house. True or not? I have no idea. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose Connally / Rose Connelly From: Taconicus Date: 12 Jan 11 - 10:13 AM Incidentally, the initial recording was done by fiddle/guitar duo G.B. Grayson and Henry Whitter in 1927. In that recording the sung lyrics sound like I had a bottle of the burg-a-lar's wine. That's consistent with both theories (burglar's wine and burgloo wine). |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rose Connally / Rose Connelly From: Taconicus Date: 12 Jan 11 - 09:12 AM Looking at the various sources, it could indeed be burglar's wine (doped wine supposedly used by dishonest innkeepers so they could more easily steal their patrons' valuables while they slept). But since the song was originally collected in West Virginia (Folk Songs of the South, a collection of West Virginia songs edited by John Harrington Cox, prints a version collected in 1915, and says it was popular in the area in the 1890s), a persuasive argument is that burglar's wine, Burgundy wine, etc. are likely garbled forms of burgaloo wine, which was apparently (Dictionary of Americanisms, John Russell Bartlett, 4th ed., 1889) a type of pear wine, burgaloo being a variant spelling or mispronunciation of virgelieu, a popular pear variety of the 19th century in West Virginia. But the term burgaloo wine, having become obsolete, folk singers would substitute words that made more sense to them. My information was gathered from various sources on the Internet, including from an article by Lyle Lofgren, listed as having been reprinted from Inside Bluegrass, May 2003. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I need lyrics for ROSE CONNALLY From: Stewie Date: 10 Feb 04 - 06:31 PM BM, this matter has been discussed at length also in various other sites on the Net. For example, try the old-time music archives [put 'burglar's wine' without quotes in the search box] HERE or in the 'search the archives' link in the ballad list HERE. It should keep you amused for some time with entries such as:
--Stewie. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I need lyrics for ROSE CONNALLY From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:52 AM Apparently it is Burglars Wine. This was discussed here a long time ago, and there was a description of Burglar's Wine given. If I recall correctly (and I may not) it was a form of poison. Having said that, I have only heard this by Charlie Monroe, and I'm pretty sure that he sings Burgundy Wine. The Folk Process at work. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I need lyrics for ROSE CONNALLY From: GUEST,boxcar mike Date: 10 Feb 04 - 10:50 AM Yes, the best known version of this must be the Everley's version. In Stewie's lyrics, above, he has: "I had a bottle of the burglar's wine", but this should be, I'm sure: "I had a bottle of Burgundy wine" which makes more sense. Best wishes to everyone. |
Subject: Lyr Add: ROSE CONLEY (from Grayson and Whitter) From: Stewie Date: 01 Nov 99 - 07:25 PM Here is a transcription of what is probably the first recorded version of the song which was known either as 'Rose Conley' or 'Rose Connally'. It was recorded in 1927. It is close to the 'Down in the Willow Garden' version in DT. The story is also akin to 'Banks of the Ohio' and 'Knoxville Girl'. Grayson and Whitter also recorded a short version of 'Banks of the Ohio' under the title of 'I'll Never Be Yours'. The song is thought to have originated as an Irish stall ballad, but was mainly collected in the southern mountains of the United States. Along with Eck Robertson and Fiddlin' John Carson, Grayson and Whitter were the first rural recording artists. Grayson, who was blind, played fiddle and Whitter the guitar and harmonica. 'Rose Conley' became a standard and was later recorded by the likes of Doc Watson, Charlie Monroe etc. ROSE CONLEY
Down in the willow garden
I had a bottle of the burglar's wine
I drew my sabre (pron 'saybree') through her
My father always taught me
He's sitting now in his own cottage door
My race is run beneath the sun Source: G.B. Grayson and Henry Whitter 'Rose Conley'. Recorded Atlanta GA 18 October 1927. Transcribed from 'The Recordings of Grayson & Whitter' County CD 3517. There are some spoken comments between the verses, such as 'poor little girl', but, as they are mainly indecipherable, I have omitted them. Cheers, Stewie.
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I need lyrics for ROSE CONNALLY From: Allan S. Date: 01 Nov 99 - 01:03 PM I once heard referance to the line "If I would murder that sweet little girl that looked so much like me" Which would mean kill his own sister. Ah yes nothing like a little incest in the family |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I need lyrics for ROSE CONNALLY From: Steve Latimer Date: 01 Nov 99 - 11:23 AM I started a thread on this a long time ago. I didn't get the answer then, but there are a lot of new 'Catters. I found the lyrics to be unusual and felt that this song is probably based on actual events. Does anyone know more about the story line? Was there actually a Rose Connelly who was murdered in this fashion?
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I need lyrics for ROSE CONNALLY From: Jeri Date: 01 Nov 99 - 10:58 AM Here |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I need lyrics for ROSE CONNALLY From: Nathan in Texas Date: 01 Nov 99 - 10:55 AM It's in the data base under the title "Down in A Willow Garden." |
Subject: I need lyrics for ROSE CONNALLY From: khandu Date: 01 Nov 99 - 09:35 AM I cannot find the lyrics on the web for Rose Connally. The only version I have heard was by Flatt and Scruggs, and a recent version by the Everely Brothers on an Irish CD called "Bringing it all back home, Vol 1", but I cannot understand the lyrics. |
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